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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. If you wanna live, you have no choice, so "forced" or not, you still ARE a slave since you have no opt out if you wanna survive. Free will it isn't. |
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God doesn't need servants in that tense. We are children of God. Is a child not a servant to their parent(s)? Does what they are told, go where they are told, ect ect.  I can tell you've never had kids. You are a naive babe in the woods. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. No, you are slaves. The best kind of slaves are the ones who do it willingly. You have sold your soul to alien war Lords. You will be assigned to work in the mines digging for gold dust. They need the dust for the life support systems in the mother ship. Have fun. They are coming for you soon. Ok thanks for the warning :D. I'll introduce them to my Lord, Jesus Christ. Heck maybe we could all sit around and have a tea party :D. I don't think you understand...... Oh well. You'll find out.  Oh I understand, don't know why you're laughing. I was dead serious. I was too. The Elohim are a race of extraterrestrials mistaken for Gods. They used humans to work in the mines for gold. Gold is needed by aliens/extraterrestrials for their technology and for the life support system on their ships. Humans were fooled into thinking they were Gods. They love totally devoted slaves like you. There might be one of them that claims to be your God. |
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Cowboy wrote: Why does one wish to go to Heaven? Do they wish to go so THEY could have eternal life? So THEY could be in the paradise? Or do they wish to serve GOD for eternity, to praise GOD for eternity right there, basking in his glory. You may think of going to Heaven in a selfish way, but that's all you my friend. Some of us wish to go just to get the chance to serve God up in person for eternity. Be right there sharing love with God for eternity. Going to Heaven isn't about gaining anything for YOU Abra, but if you see it that way, that's your view on it. I'm not the one who's desperate to get into Heaven. On the contrary I would much prefer other spiritual scenarios as Jeanniebean has mentioned. They sound a lot more interesting to me. I have no desire to rule over another being, but at the very same time I have no desire to be the eternal servant to another being either. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If death is an option to that I would gladly take it. Like Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death". That's one of my most favorite quotes and it is quite meaningful to me. It is precisely how I feel. I have no desire to be the eternal servant of a male-chauvinistic God who is cruel and mean to people who disobey him. I'll gladly choose spiritual death. You can serve doubly hard to make up for my absence. By the sound of your enthusiasm to serve this God I'm sure you'll be thrilled to get to serve him double-duty. ~~~~~~ By the way, if you are so thrilled to serve God then clearly that would be all about YOU. By the sounds of things you can hardly wait to get started. So it must be something that PLEASES YOU immensely. Thus it ultimately is about YOU and your DESIRE to serve God. How could it not be about YOU? The only way it could not be about YOU is if you weren't interested in doing it. But according to you, it's your WISH to serve God. So obviously it is all about YOU and your WISHES. |
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. If you wanna live, you have no choice, so "forced" or not, you still ARE a slave since you have no opt out if you wanna survive. Free will it isn't. Living or not living isn't a choice in itself. It's not an action YOU take or don't take. Yeah, not living is a choice you can make if you wish. But being made to life is not a choice, not an action YOU take, that has absolutely nothing to do with free will or lack there of. Again, it's not an action you take or even can take. |
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God doesn't need servants in that tense. We are children of God. Is a child not a servant to their parent(s)? Does what they are told, go where they are told, ect ect. I can tell you've never had kids. You are a naive babe in the woods. I have been a step dad once. Never said the kids were obedient 100% of the time, or even close to that. But nevertheless they are servants more or less. The parent still has the final say in everything, less of course the parent gives in. |
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That is where you are wrong. Living or not living is a choice.
I decided to be, and I am. |
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Its a spiritual thing. You wouldn't understand.
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Mon 11/07/11 09:27 PM
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Cowboy wrote: Why does one wish to go to Heaven? Do they wish to go so THEY could have eternal life? So THEY could be in the paradise? Or do they wish to serve GOD for eternity, to praise GOD for eternity right there, basking in his glory. You may think of going to Heaven in a selfish way, but that's all you my friend. Some of us wish to go just to get the chance to serve God up in person for eternity. Be right there sharing love with God for eternity. Going to Heaven isn't about gaining anything for YOU Abra, but if you see it that way, that's your view on it. I'm not the one who's desperate to get into Heaven. On the contrary I would much prefer other spiritual scenarios as Jeanniebean has mentioned. They sound a lot more interesting to me. I have no desire to rule over another being, but at the very same time I have no desire to be the eternal servant to another being either. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If death is an option to that I would gladly take it. Like Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death". That's one of my most favorite quotes and it is quite meaningful to me. It is precisely how I feel. I have no desire to be the eternal servant of a male-chauvinistic God who is cruel and mean to people who disobey him. I'll gladly choose spiritual death. You can serve doubly hard to make up for my absence. By the sound of your enthusiasm to serve this God I'm sure you'll be thrilled to get to serve him double-duty. ~~~~~~ By the way, if you are so thrilled to serve God then clearly that would be all about YOU. By the sounds of things you can hardly wait to get started. So it must be something that PLEASES YOU immensely. Thus it ultimately is about YOU and your DESIRE to serve God. How could it not be about YOU? The only way it could not be about YOU is if you weren't interested in doing it. But according to you, it's your WISH to serve God. So obviously it is all about YOU and your WISHES. By the way, if you are so thrilled to serve God then clearly that would be all about YOU. By the sounds of things you can hardly wait to get started. So it must be something that PLEASES YOU immensely. Thus it ultimately is about YOU and your DESIRE to serve God. How could it not be about YOU? The only way it could not be about YOU is if you weren't interested in doing it. But according to you, it's your WISH to serve God. So obviously it is all about YOU and your WISHES. I want to because God wants us to. Not looking for a gift, not looking for a reward. I do it, purely because God wants us to. |
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That is where you are wrong. Living or not living is a choice. I decided to be, and I am. And how exactly did you decide to be? If you decided something, that would mean you already were. Because if you weren't already, then you would not be able to make any form of choice, for you would not be of existence. |
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. |
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That is where you are wrong. Living or not living is a choice. I decided to be, and I am. And how exactly did you decide to be? If you decided something, that would mean you already were. Because if you weren't already, then you would not be able to make any form of choice, for you would not be of existence. I told you its a spiritual thing. Something you would not understand. |
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. Believe as you wish dear. What does kids wish to do growing up and even when they are grown up? Do they not wish to make their parents proud? Or at least some of the people, do they not wish to make their parents proud? Why? I don't wish to be a saint per say, I don't wish to make anything of me seem "great". I do what I do for the Lord and to make him proud. Not to gain anything for myself, not to do anything for myself. This is done for the Lord our God. |
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That is where you are wrong. Living or not living is a choice. I decided to be, and I am. And how exactly did you decide to be? If you decided something, that would mean you already were. Because if you weren't already, then you would not be able to make any form of choice, for you would not be of existence. I told you its a spiritual thing. Something you would not understand. Ok. |
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. Believe as you wish dear. What does kids wish to do growing up and even when they are grown up? Do they not wish to make their parents proud? Or at least some of the people, do they not wish to make their parents proud? Why? I don't wish to be a saint per say, I don't wish to make anything of me seem "great". I do what I do for the Lord and to make him proud. Not to gain anything for myself, not to do anything for myself. This is done for the Lord our God. So then you just want to make your parents proud. Okay. |
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. Believe as you wish dear. What does kids wish to do growing up and even when they are grown up? Do they not wish to make their parents proud? Or at least some of the people, do they not wish to make their parents proud? Why? I don't wish to be a saint per say, I don't wish to make anything of me seem "great". I do what I do for the Lord and to make him proud. Not to gain anything for myself, not to do anything for myself. This is done for the Lord our God. So then you just want to make your parents proud. Okay. I want to make my father proud. My father who art in Heaven. |
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. Believe as you wish dear. What does kids wish to do growing up and even when they are grown up? Do they not wish to make their parents proud? Or at least some of the people, do they not wish to make their parents proud? Why? I don't wish to be a saint per say, I don't wish to make anything of me seem "great". I do what I do for the Lord and to make him proud. Not to gain anything for myself, not to do anything for myself. This is done for the Lord our God. So then you just want to make your parents proud. Okay. I want to make my father proud. My father who art in Heaven. The mention of the parents, was merely for analogy purposes. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 11/07/11 10:22 PM
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A man could live a perfect obedient life...and do all
the good works in the world, in order to try and please God, and try and earn his way into heaven.... but NONE of that would please God at all...none of it........ IF that man had not FIRST trusted and believed and accepted Jesus into his heart. God only reguires one thing of us, in order for us to get back into right relationship with God.....and that is ,to believe and accept His Son Jesus, Whom He Sent. Nothing else reguired in order to be saved, and brought back into right Relationship with God. THEN....AFTERWARDS....after we are born again now, , God brings about a CHANGE in our hearts, to where we WANT TO OBEY!!!!! It is no longer about TRYING to be obedient( only because we feel God WANTS us to obey), just so we can try to EARN favor with God.....as most religion teaches..... no.... it is NOW simply about WANTING to be obedient, which comes out of LOVE for God Now, because we now have been made new creatures in Christ Jesus ( born again ).....and therefore, have a new heart beating in us....the heart of GOD....a heart that WANTS to PLEASE God now. Not like before......where we felt we HAD to obey , in order to please God, but now ,we obey because we simply WANT to now..out of OUR GREAT LOVE for God now.... because of GOD'S LOVE that HE placed in our hearts, when we became born again. AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Mon 11/07/11 10:30 PM
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I do it, purely because God wants us to. I just don't believe you. I think you are trying too hard to be a saint. Its not normal. Believe as you wish dear. What does kids wish to do growing up and even when they are grown up? Do they not wish to make their parents proud? Or at least some of the people, do they not wish to make their parents proud? Why? I don't wish to be a saint per say, I don't wish to make anything of me seem "great". I do what I do for the Lord and to make him proud. Not to gain anything for myself, not to do anything for myself. This is done for the Lord our God. So then you just want to make your parents proud. Okay. I want to make my father proud. My father who art in Heaven. The mention of the parents, was merely for analogy purposes. So you don't care if your human parents are proud. You just want to make God proud. What are you going to do to make God proud? Prostrate yourself at his feet and swear to do his bidding for all eternity? Really? That is really what you live for? How unimaginative and droll. You know what I think God really wants? God wants people to think for themselves I believe. And be bold and adventuresome. Not some yes man slave. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Mon 11/07/11 10:37 PM
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Religion:
Obey God because GOD WANTS us to Obey or else(obedience done to please and earn favor with God, because we believe that is what God WANTS us to do) Realtionship : OBEY God because WE WANT to Obey( obedience done out of a pure heart of LOVE for God now, and not becasue we feel we HAVE to anymore....or for any other reason,except out of LOVE FOR GOD.... because of a NEW changed heart within us).
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