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You can not go around stealing, killing, ect and expect to get to Heaven. And expect to get into Heaven Jesus is the path, he is the way. The way to where? Heaven? The knowledge he has given us is the knowledge on how to achieve Heaven. How to achieve Heaven Without Jesus, without this knowledge, it would be impossible for anyone to get to Heaven. To get to Heaven ~~~~~~~ You sure seem to be obsessed with getting into heaven. ~~~~~~~ I think MorningSong's spiritual views have a dramatically different flavor and motivation. She seems to be far more into understanding love. Getting into Heaven would be a mere consequence of that, certainly not the central focal point of her spiritual quest. I think Jeanniebean already touched on this. It's all about love and compassion Cowboy. It's not about lust to "get into Heaven" That's the wrong focal point. That's just seeking a reward. A reward for what? For merely being obedient to God? Nah. What a cheap heaven that would be. Nope is FAR DEEPER than that Cowboy. It's all about LOVE, it's not about "Where do I get the instructions for how to get into Heaven". Why does one wish to go to Heaven? Do they wish to go so THEY could have eternal life? So THEY could be in the paradise? Or do they wish to serve GOD for eternity, to praise GOD for eternity right there, basking in his glory. You may think of going to Heaven in a selfish way, but that's all you my friend. Some of us wish to go just to get the chance to serve God up in person for eternity. Be right there sharing love with God for eternity. Going to Heaven isn't about gaining anything for YOU Abra, but if you see it that way, that's your view on it. |
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Edited by
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow.
What exactly will be your duties? |
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Edited by
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Eli (Hebrew: עֵלִי, Modern ʻEli Tiberian ʻĒlî ; "My God", possibly "Ascent") was, according to the Books of Samuel, the name of a priest of Shiloh, and one of the last Israelite Judges before the rule of kings in ancient Israel. Yes he referred to his father as "my God" God = person or thing of supreme value Jesus never made himself equal with God the father, he was always humble. He would say things as he did the will of his father. Jesus did as his father told him to do or wanted to do. His father is supreme to him, his father is his god. And Jesus is supreme to us, he is the one in charge of us. That is why Jesus is our lord, our God. Again, a lot of what you share here, Cowboy, is Not what the bible teaches at all. Cowboy, According to the bible: God IS an ENTITY or a SUPREME BEING Jesus IS EQUALLY God WITH the Father..( the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit make up ONLY ONE GOD) Jesus is NOT a SEPARATE DEITY from God the Father. Jesus is the second person of the triune Godhead....... but Jesus NOT an entirely separate entity from God the Father ,or God the Holy Spirit.....but yes...they make up 3 separate PERSONS WITHIN THE ONE GODHEAD , which make up ONLY ONE GOD, or ONE ENTITY ). But everyone is entitled to their beliefs. And Only God can make His Word Clear to us . So, I'm just going to leave it at that now. 
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. |
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.........It would still contain that thorn in the side of blood sacrifices though. That is highly problematic for me, no matter how pretty it's painted in other areas. And there would still be a lot of negative issues associate with the Old Testament. But you do paint a truly beautiful picture of Jesus.  God bless you for that.  Abra, Thank You for your very Kind Words. But all credit goes to God....not me.  Abra.....as far as understanding the sacrifice part... God, Who is the ONE Who SAVES in the first place, is ALSO MORE THAN ABLE, to make His Word PERFECTLY CLEAR in Time also. Amen? Amen. I Love You Abra!!! So Does God !!!! God Bless You Too, Abra!!! Does this mean you changed your stance about my being wrong about saying the exact same thing? (bolded above) |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? |
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Eli (Hebrew: עֵלִי, Modern ʻEli Tiberian ʻĒlî ; "My God", possibly "Ascent") was, according to the Books of Samuel, the name of a priest of Shiloh, and one of the last Israelite Judges before the rule of kings in ancient Israel. Yes he referred to his father as "my God" God = person or thing of supreme value Jesus never made himself equal with God the father, he was always humble. He would say things as he did the will of his father. Jesus did as his father told him to do or wanted to do. His father is supreme to him, his father is his god. And Jesus is supreme to us, he is the one in charge of us. That is why Jesus is our lord, our God. Again, a lot of what you share here, Cowboy, is Not what the bible teaches at all. But everyone is entitled to their beliefs. And Only God can make His Word Clear to us . So, I'm just going to leave it at that now. You continuously do this, you same I'm wrong on this or that. Then you just leave it at that. If you do not wish to go into "off topic" on a thread, then I ask that you please email it to me so I will know. But please show me where I am wrong, for the verses I shared and can give more if you want says you're wrong. |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? I guess time will only tell. |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? I guess time will only tell. You have no idea. You have no will or mind of your own I guess. |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? I guess time will only tell. You have no idea. You have no will or mind of your own I guess. No I do not. I myself can do nothing. I do the will of God best I can anyways. Not saying I'm perfect. But I have laid down my own life and picked up a life for God. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Okay if you say so.
But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. |
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. |
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. No, you are slaves. The best kind of slaves are the ones who do it willingly. You have sold your soul to alien war Lords. You will be assigned to work in the mines digging for gold dust. They need the dust for the life support systems in the mother ship. Have fun. They are coming for you soon. |
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. No, you are slaves. The best kind of slaves are the ones who do it willingly. You have sold your soul to alien war Lords. You will be assigned to work in the mines digging for gold dust. They need the dust for the life support systems in the mother ship. Have fun. They are coming for you soon. Ok thanks for the warning :D. I'll introduce them to my Lord, Jesus Christ. Heck maybe we could all sit around and have a tea party :D. |
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.........It would still contain that thorn in the side of blood sacrifices though. That is highly problematic for me, no matter how pretty it's painted in other areas. And there would still be a lot of negative issues associate with the Old Testament. But you do paint a truly beautiful picture of Jesus. God bless you for that. Abra, Thank You for your very Kind Words. But all credit goes to God....not me. Abra.....as far as understanding the sacrifice part... God, Who is the ONE Who SAVES in the first place, is ALSO MORE THAN ABLE, to make His Word PERFECTLY CLEAR in Time also. Amen? Amen. I Love You Abra!!! So Does God !!!! God Bless You Too, Abra!!! I have no problem with "God" MorningSong. I'm already in harmony with God, and I have been for the overwhelming bulk of my life ever since very early childhood. The only thing I have a problem with is religious dogma and false rumors of demigods who supposedly walked the Earth as sons of blood thirsty jealous gods. I can do without that kind of negativity. |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? Truly, like an all-powerful supernatural entity needs a "servant".  Why would an all-powerful supernatural being have a need for servants? God needs HELP with something?  That superstition doesn't even make any sense. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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PeterPan wrote: There is no mediator between God and I. Noone but me can "pay" for my sins. YHWH saves, not "Jesus". These things are what the Bible says... Sorry PeterPan..that's not what the biBle says at all... Jesus IS our Mediator !!! Jesus paid for ALL our sins ON THAT CROSS...you could never pay for your own Sins..and God KNEW this....this is WHY God sent us His Son. And.... Only Jesus Saves !!!! Meaning...you have to GO THRU THE SON, in order to get to the Father. NO OTHER WAY. CAN'T BYPASS JESUS TO GET TO THE FATHER. NOPE. God the Father has Given ALL the Glory Now to His Son Jesus, because of what Jesus did on that cross for us all!! ...................................... Peterpan, thE above, is what I replied to you, earlier. PeterPan, Jesus IS God. God is MIGHTY to SAVE....but remember now , when we say Jesus is God, we are still talking about ONE GOD. Jesus is God , means........Jesus is EQUALLY as MUCH GOD as the Father is GOD. (In the One Godhead, are three persons,who are all EQUALLY GOD......making up ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY }. And it was God the SON , who took our place on that cross.... although Jesus stepped down to dwell with us and become man , JESUS was still FULLY GOD AS WELL AS FULLY MAN....GOD WITH US..... in other words, it was GOD on that cross, not just a mere man on that cross. No mere human being could EVER pay the price for our sins. It took GOD to do that...but God had to become man , or else we would not have been able to withstand God in all His glory and power, stepping down from heaven..it would have burned us up to be in the presence of God's FULL GLORY. That is why Jesus left his glory behind, to dwell with us and become One with us. Also, as one studies the Word of God, one can learn even more , on why God could not just come into this world, without coming thru a bodily form. But again, PeterPan.....because JESUS IS EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER. It was GOD on that Cross(thru God the Son)....and when we say JESUS SAVES , it is GOD WHO SAVES. The Three persons in the ONE GODHEAD, all work together and make up ONLY ONE GOD. WE SERVE ONE GOD ALMIGHTY !!! THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD !!! |
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So all you want to do is serve the all mighty God and bask in his glory? Wow. What exactly will be your duties? Anything he wishes for me to do. I am not my own, I am his for ever and ever. But what would God need you to do for him? Smite his enemies? Truly, like an all-powerful supernatural entity needs a "servant". Why would an all-powerful supernatural being have a need for servants? God needs HELP with something? That superstition doesn't even make any sense. God doesn't need servants in that tense. We are children of God. Is a child not a servant to their parent(s)? Does what they are told, go where they are told, ect ect. |
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. No, you are slaves. The best kind of slaves are the ones who do it willingly. You have sold your soul to alien war Lords. You will be assigned to work in the mines digging for gold dust. They need the dust for the life support systems in the mother ship. Have fun. They are coming for you soon. Ok thanks for the warning :D. I'll introduce them to my Lord, Jesus Christ. Heck maybe we could all sit around and have a tea party :D. I don't think you understand...... Oh well. You'll find out. 
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Okay if you say so. But what was God's point in creating mankind and giving them life and free will if all he wanted were robot drone slaves to serve him? I think that's just a stupid idea. The alien Gods would love to clone a bunch of you. You know, to work in the mines. We're not slaves. Slaves are forced labor. We obey and serve because we wish to, because we love our father. No, you are slaves. The best kind of slaves are the ones who do it willingly. You have sold your soul to alien war Lords. You will be assigned to work in the mines digging for gold dust. They need the dust for the life support systems in the mother ship. Have fun. They are coming for you soon. Ok thanks for the warning :D. I'll introduce them to my Lord, Jesus Christ. Heck maybe we could all sit around and have a tea party :D. I don't think you understand...... Oh well. You'll find out. Oh I understand, don't know why you're laughing. I was dead serious. |
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