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Edited by
GuitarGuy49
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Not sure which English version you are reading but... if it is the King James version (a.k.a. "KJV"), think about this... it was written at the time of William Shakespeare (1564-1616). The KJV was finished in 1611. We just don't talk like that today. Folks say they have a hard time understanding Shakespeare, too... because nobody talks today the way he penned his plays FOUR HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
I haven't read back through all the posts, so I'm not sure which version Morning Song gave you, I have been here long enough to know she is true-blue and loves God with a sincere passion. What many churches today use is called "The New International Version." It is written in what one might say is "today's English" (not 400-year old English.) Here is a link to this version online (I clicked it to the Book of John for you...) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV If you look at the top of the page, there is a drop-down that says "New International Version"... you'll notice many more choices of Bible translations on that drop-down. Not just English... but French, Spanish, and a whole bunch of languages I can't pronounce, haha. (Arabic, Bulgarian, Haitian Creole, all kinds of languages.) And it also has the traditional King James... (I count 30 English versions alone... wow...) I do love the King James Version, it is probably the translation I have read the most. But if I were from Bulgaria (for example) I guess I wouldn't be reading the KJV... I'd be reading something relevant to my daily spoken language (i.e. Bulgarian, etc.) Or if I lived in China, if I had to learn King James English first in order to read the Bible, it would be a long time before the message got home. But a version written in the language I spoke everyday in China (i.e. Chinese) would make much more sense to read... As a thought, there are now 6.8 billion people in the world. Only 311 million of those folks live in the English-speaking U.S. English is a popular language on the globe, but it isn't and never will be the ONLY language. God's word (the Bible) is for every human being, so it has been translated from the original texts so that it may reach the greatest number. Anyways... Enjoy the links and God Bless. :-) |
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Guitarman, you are just toooo sweet. I remember you...... 
Welcome back to Mingle...... (((((  GuitarGuy)))))))
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Hi Morning Song... I used to be "TelephoneMan" on here a couple years or more ago. Decided to create a new account and do a fresh start. :-) (couldn't login with the old username, so I made up a new one). I guess the old name, etc is now defunct and gone bye bye.
God bless you... I know you are one of the true-blue, honest to goodness, real-live Christians. Nice to see you here again, too. GG49 |
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What many churches today use is called "The New International Version." It is written in what one might say is "today's English" (not 400-year old English.)
My first bible was given to me in jail, (if you read my profile, you will see I have a colorful, and challenged past). And that bible is the NIV version. I still use it today, and refuse to replace it for the sentiment it holds for me. Here is a link to this version online (I clicked it to the Book of John for you...)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV You read my mind. I DID start reading John, as you suggested, and now totally understand why you wanted me to start there. And I dont even have to look for the NIV Version on John online, as you have so graciously supplied me with that! YOU ROCK G.G.!! God bless |
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Read the entire book of "John" last night.
Enjoyed it immensely and starting "Acts" today. 
Taking G.G.'s advice and just reading on through.
Where should I go after "Acts" G.G. or Morning Song?? |
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Edited by
GuitarGuy49
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Tue 02/21/12 09:55 AM
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Read the entire book of "John" last night.
Enjoyed it immensely and starting "Acts" today.
Taking G.G.'s advice and just reading on through.
Where should I go after "Acts" G.G. or Morning Song?? Keep right on motoring through the New Testament (NT) after Acts. You will read about a man named Saul who became Paul in the book of Acts when Jesus called him. (He was quite a character as a non-Christian...). You might know this, but he wrote many of the books we have in the NT. Some of the next books after Acts have a lot of comforting and instructional points. John was important because he was said to be "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Not that Jesus didn't love the others, but there was a very close bond between John and Jesus, like if you have several close friends, then one super-close friend. In different portions of the scriptures, John was found sleeping with his head on Jesus' chest. If you could think what friend you have would be that close... The Gospel of Mark is also a really good one. I started reading that this morning. Mark is a very plain writer, and is nice to read. Actually I love them all. :-) Luke, as you might know, was a physician, so he seems to write the most detailed in his accounts. Matthew starts out with a long list of (in KJV" "begats"... so-and-so begat so-and-so... so to get through all of that is a bit tough if someone is sitting down to read for the first or beginning times. But it is Matthew we find many of the great parables and what is called Jesus' "sermon on the mount." Its always inspiring to see someone truly desiring to read the Bible. Its a fascinating book with much meaning and has life-changing possibilities. God Bless. |
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Read the entire book of "John" last night.
Enjoyed it immensely and starting "Acts" today.
Taking G.G.'s advice and just reading on through.
Where should I go after "Acts" G.G. or Morning Song?? Keep right on motoring through the New Testament (NT) after Acts. You will read about a man named Saul who became Paul in the book of Acts when Jesus called him. (He was quite a character as a non-Christian...). You might know this, but he wrote many of the books we have in the NT. Some of the next books after Acts have a lot of comforting and instructional points. John was important because he was said to be "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Not that Jesus didn't love the others, but there was a very close bond between John and Jesus, like if you have several close friends, then one super-close friend. In different portions of the scriptures, John was found sleeping with his head on Jesus' chest. If you could think what friend you have would be that close... The Gospel of Mark is also a really good one. I started reading that this morning. Mark is a very plain writer, and is nice to read. Actually I love them all. :-) Luke, as you might know, was a physician, so he seems to write the most detailed in his accounts. Matthew starts out with a long list of (in KJV" "begats"... so-and-so begat so-and-so... so to get through all of that is a bit tough if someone is sitting down to read for the first or beginning times. But it is Matthew we find many of the great parables and what is called Jesus' "sermon on the mount." Its always inspiring to see someone truly desiring to read the Bible. Its a fascinating book with much meaning and has life-changing possibilities. God Bless. 
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Hi Morning Song... I used to be "TelephoneMan" on here a couple years or more ago. Decided to create a new account and do a fresh start. :-) (couldn't login with the old username, so I made up a new one). I guess the old name, etc is now defunct and gone bye bye. God bless you... I know you are one of the true-blue, honest to goodness, real-live Christians. Nice to see you here again, too. GG49 God Bless You for your kind words again,Guitarman.... but there are MANY MANY true blue christians on this site,and you are one yourself... (Actaully ,a true blue christian is just someone who is BORN AGAIN....but we are all far from perfect yet...
and I for one, have a lonnng way to go yet 
But Thank God ...God is cleaning up and perfecting that good work that He has begun in all our lives...we are all just works in progress...all in the body of Christ..none have arrived...and again,God is not done with any of us yet...by far.
Yes Guitarman... I remember you as Telephoneman.... in fact,you were
one of the first ones whose posts I responded to on this site.... 
Be Blessed, Guitarman....it is never about us.....but only about Him IN us . Love You My Brother and Friend in Christ !!!
(((((( Guitarman))))))))))))
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Praying the $200 lost by Western Union is FOUND !!!! Luv...I've been in a similar situation..so I can relate.... Praying the lost money Shows Up in Jesus Mighty Name, Amen!!
The money WAS found, and will have to be resent, since the money order was cancelled, but thats o.k., once again... God, never fails 
He never gives up
He never runs out on me
(one of my favorite songs from Church) Thank you father, for all you do for me, and so many others. And thank you, for giving me wise, and wonderful people, on this thread, to help me through, the journey, of reading your words, and understanding what I have read. Im feeling closer to you everyday, and I really do feel you working in my life, and in my heart. In Jesus name, Amen.
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My advice to anyone who would "hop" around the Bible and read out of chronological order would be to start with the prophets...
It'll give you a good idea of what not to do and clarify some of the "attrocities" of the OT. There's also a pattern there, at least I see one. Also, don't take anyone's word for anything, prove it for yourself. Arm your self with a concordance and a few good dictionaries. Be prepared to look at all sides and all "interpretations". Check the original Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew word's translations. Make sure they translated things like "ion"(an age) correctly. Don't be afraid when you discover the "truth", it will set you free.... |
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Peter Pan,
Sincere question here. Is there a name you call yourself in regards to your religious beliefs? I think Miles once said he was a Yahwehist (sp?) Is that what you are? I don't mean to try and label you. I am just wondering if I can google it for more information.
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Peter Pan, Sincere question here. Is there a name you call yourself in regards to your religious beliefs? I think Miles once said he was a Yahwehist (sp?) Is that what you are? I don't mean to try and label you. I am just wondering if I can google it for more information.
I could probrably be described as a "Messianic Jew" or an "Early Christian". I choose the label "Christian-Other" for principle reasons. Yahweh is my savior. Jesus's real name is Yeshua which means "Yahweh Saves" Saturday is my Sabath All are welcome to speak "religion" with me. I only pray to Yahwey (God) I don't revere the cross, I think it's sick I don't accept "Jesus's" sacrafice as atonement for my sins, I alone will have to "pay" for them. (human sacrifice is Pagan) I don't believe the "Trinity", Yeshua was a great prophet and a man... All are worthy of my help and "servitude", even "heathens" and "sinners" I believe it was quite eerie when Yeshua said: John 5:42-44 New King James Version (NKJV) 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? I read the same Bible as most Christians, I just don't believe everything everyone tells me "about" it. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 02/24/12 01:00 AM
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PeterPan...NO mere human being could EVER pay for
our sins on that cross !!! No human sacrifice would EVER do..... and also, God was AGAINST human sacrifices !!! That is Why GOD HIMSELF ( GOD THE SON) )PAID for our sins on that cross...in FULL. GOD'S SON JESUS ,WHO WAS FULLY GOD AS WELL AS FULLY MAN ,PAID THE PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD ON THAT CROSS !!! IF Jesus was not ALSO FULLY GOD AS WELL AS FULLY MAN ,then we would ALL BE STILL LOST AND DEAD IN OUR SINS. ONLY GOD could make ATONEMENT for the sins of the whole wide world. In other words.... THAT WAS GOD HIMSELF ( THRU GOD THE SON ), WHO WAS ON THAT CROSS AT CALVARY...AND NOT JUST SOME MERE MORTAL MAN ON THAT CROSS.
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Peter Pan, Sincere question here. Is there a name you call yourself in regards to your religious beliefs? I think Miles once said he was a Yahwehist (sp?) Is that what you are? I don't mean to try and label you. I am just wondering if I can google it for more information.
I could probrably be described as a "Messianic Jew" or an "Early Christian". I choose the label "Christian-Other" for principle reasons. Yahweh is my savior. Jesus's real name is Yeshua which means "Yahweh Saves" Saturday is my Sabath All are welcome to speak "religion" with me. I only pray to Yahwey (God) I don't revere the cross, I think it's sick I don't accept "Jesus's" sacrafice as atonement for my sins, I alone will have to "pay" for them. (human sacrifice is Pagan) I don't believe the "Trinity", Yeshua was a great prophet and a man... All are worthy of my help and "servitude", even "heathens" and "sinners" I believe it was quite eerie when Yeshua said: John 5:42-44 New King James Version (NKJV) 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? I read the same Bible as most Christians, I just don't believe everything everyone tells me "about" it. I don't accept "Jesus's" sacrafice as atonement for my sins, I alone will have to "pay" for them. (human sacrifice is Pagan) Jesus' sacrifice for us was not like that of a burnt offering. Jesus' sacrifice for us all is he died for us, he went to hell for you. Jesus died in your place, it was not some burnt offering or any "flesh" offering. |
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Peter Pan,
You said "Also, don't take anyone's word for anything, prove it for yourself."... this is actually scriptural. It is encouraged in the Bible that we study the scriptures and prove what any person say who stands and attempts to teach someone about the same. Such as your comment about the death of Jesus on the cross as being "pagan." I think the problem theologically you are going to have there is that no where in the scriptures will you be able to prove that this death was a pagan ritual. Also, the Bible tells us no scripture is meant to have any private interpretations. The same book tells us wisdom is found in the counsel of many. I can see where you are coming from with some of your comments, but some I think are not scripture-based beliefs, but something you have made up to explain a reason for a disagreement. Perhaps if you could show me, with scripture verses, how the death of Christ on the cross is pagan. (???) If you cannot show me your belief as a Christian-other, etc. as it is based in the scriptures, then is what you believe Christian, or some other type of religion? Show me in the Bible and by using the Bible what you believe. The Bible is the only authority on the Christian walk. If any other religious texts are used, it is not Christian thought. Paganism is not Christian, and I challenge you that no where in the Bible are you going to find any passage of scripture that tells that the death of Jesus on the cross was pagan. Jesus was God in the flesh, so it wasn't technically a human sacrifice, it was God laying down his life for us in a way that we can communicate and understand the meaning. He gave his life, no person took it from him. In a pagan sacrifice, the victim is taken by force, and slain by force. This was not the case with Christ's willing sacrifice for all. |
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I am but a baby Christian, but I do believe that what is written in the bible, is what we as "Christians" use for our point of reference.
So if its not in there, then I dont believe it to be true in my Christian walk. JMO |
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Edited by
Peter_Pan69
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Fri 02/24/12 05:16 PM
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Peter Pan, You said "Also, don't take anyone's word for anything, prove it for yourself."... this is actually scriptural. It is encouraged in the Bible that we study the scriptures and prove what any person say who stands and attempts to teach someone about the same. Such as your comment about the death of Jesus on the cross as being "pagan." I think the problem theologically you are going to have there is that no where in the scriptures will you be able to prove that this death was a pagan ritual. I never said his death was Pagan. I said human sacrifice is Pagan... Also, the Bible tells us no scripture is meant to have any private interpretations.
The same book tells us wisdom is found in the counsel of many. The same book says many will be deceived. I can see where you are coming from with some of your comments, but some I think are not scripture-based beliefs, but something you have made up to explain a reason for a disagreement.
Perhaps if you could show me, with scripture verses, how the death of Christ on the cross is pagan. (???) If you cannot show me your belief as a Christian-other, etc. as it is based in the scriptures, then is what you believe Christian, or some other type of religion? Show me in the Bible and by using the Bible what you believe. The Bible is the only authority on the Christian walk. If any other religious texts are used, it is not Christian thought. I don't suppose you can show me using scripture why you think Sunday is the Sabbath? Are you also saying that Catholics aren't Christian? They use extra-Biblical texts... Paganism is not Christian, and I challenge you that no where in the Bible are you going to find any passage of scripture that tells that the death of Jesus on the cross was pagan.
Again, I said human sacrifice was Pagan. Jesus was God in the flesh, so it wasn't technically a human sacrifice, it was God laying down his life for us in a way that we can communicate and understand the meaning. He gave his life, no person took it from him. In a pagan sacrifice, the victim is taken by force, and slain by force. This was not the case with Christ's willing sacrifice for all.
Are you saying that Yeshua wasn't fully God AND fully man? Are you saying the sacrifice was performed according to Mosaic Law? Are you saying that sacrifice was acceptable for anything more than unintentional sins? Numbers 15:29-31 New International Version (NIV) 29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you. 30 “‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the LORD and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31 Because they have despised the LORD’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’” Leviticus 27:29 New International Version (NIV) 29 “‘No person devoted to destruction[a] may be ransomed; they are to be put to death. Footnotes: a.Leviticus 27:29 The Hebrew term refers to the irrevocable giving over of things or persons to the LORD, often by totally destroying them. Deuteronomy 24:16 New International Version (NIV) 16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin. I await your scriptural basis for worshipping on the Pagan sun god's day... |
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This is a reminder that in the Christian religion, there are many different interpretation of some scriptures, as well as many different denominations.
Please be respectful of everyone's belief and debate civilly Kim |
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 (((((KIM)))))
Yeah, what she said. 
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Please God, I need you, help me, its so dark.
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