Topic: Air Force pursuing antimatter weapons
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Sat 09/24/11 01:47 AM


HOW DID WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 FALL?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2_nedORjw


And still you post the same truther crap designed for the most gullible people without the ability to understand any science whatsoever.

The explanation of how the buildings fell came from engineers and was repeated by the government. It did not "come from the government" which is just an incredibly stupid lie.


Metalwing you are wrong, plain and simple. NIST DID NOT EXPLAIN how the towers fell the way they did. They did not. You don't know what you are talking about. You didn't even read any of the official reports. I can tell just by hearing what you post.

Now stop making it personal. I already know what YOUR opinion is and I'm not interested. Stay out of this thread if you can't contribute anything real.




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Sat 09/24/11 01:53 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 01:55 AM
NIST did not even look for evidence of explosives. Other people did and they found some.

NIST stated that there were NO WITNESSES who testified about hearing explosives. They freaking lied. I've watched many video taped interviews of people who were hurt by explosions before the towers even fell. Even firemen witnessed explosions.




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Sat 09/24/11 01:55 AM


HOW DID WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 FALL?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2_nedORjw


And still you post the same truther crap designed for the most gullible people without the ability to understand any science whatsoever.


Actually, the crap that is for the guillible comes from government, not from those who seek the truth. I don't expect you to understand that though........your eyes are clearly closed.

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Sat 09/24/11 01:58 AM
Edited by Kleisto on Sat 09/24/11 01:58 AM

NIST did not even look for evidence of explosives. Other people did and they found some.


This remains to me a HUGE smoking gun. How in the world can you definitively say there was no explosives if you NEVER TESTED FOR THEM? They have NO evidence to prove their statement since they didn't look for any of what they claim wasn't there. Anyone with half a brain in their head ought to be able to see that. It's flat common sense, if you don't look for something you CANNOT say it's not there because you have nothing to base it on!

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Sat 09/24/11 02:15 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 02:17 AM
A so-called witness was interviewed 30 minutes after the collapse on national television and he exclaimed how the buildings "must not have been able to handle the stress and collapsed" blah blah blah - and his story was exactly the same as the official story that finally did come out from their "supposed engineers" -who never did actually explain how the buildings collapsed.

The anonymous witness had the official story down pat within 30 minutes of the event, but our tax dollars spent tons of money to hire experts to conclude the same thing. That is so phony I can't believe it.

The so-called NIST engineers along with the 9-11 commission were all manipulated into fabricating the story they were told to fabricate. All paid by our tax dollar.

There was no need to have done that when an unknown witness on the street had it all figured out already and they already knew who was responsible within 33 minutes. Osama Bin Laden.

What a joke.






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Sat 09/24/11 02:23 AM
And still you post the same truther crap designed for the most gullible people without the ability to understand any science whatsoever


Seriously I grow so tired of hearing that from people who think they know a little something about science.

One does not have to know anything at all about science to see and understand the big picture of what is going on here in this country today and in the past.


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Sat 09/24/11 12:32 PM


NIST did not even look for evidence of explosives. Other people did and they found some.


This remains to me a HUGE smoking gun. How in the world can you definitively say there was no explosives if you NEVER TESTED FOR THEM? They have NO evidence to prove their statement since they didn't look for any of what they claim wasn't there. Anyone with half a brain in their head ought to be able to see that. It's flat common sense, if you don't look for something you CANNOT say it's not there because you have nothing to base it on!


"to me" is the qualifier...and what was the evidence that showed them they needed to test for them? all the video's showed NO EXPLOSIONS of any kind other than the aircraft...do doctors test you for cancer when you have a cold?

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Sat 09/24/11 01:11 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 01:14 PM
You obviously have not watched the videos enough or looked at the pictures Dr. Wood has on her sight. It looks like an explosion to me! Also, the building fell at free fall speed in ten seconds as if there was nothing under it to slow it down like a "pancake collapse" would have done.







Building 7 also fell at free fall speed. It was not as damaged as much as building #6 which did not collapse and it was hit by the last few pieces of the falling tower. There was very little debris left of building #7 but a lot left of building 6.

Also, there were credible witnesses who were injured by explosions in building 7 BEFORE the towers ever fell.

There were lots of witnesses who heard and were killed by explosions. Have you done any reading and investigating at all?


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Sat 09/24/11 01:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 01:20 PM
I watched Loose Change on Netflix last night. It was better than I expected. Some people who tested material from the towers did find some extremely explosive material. They called it "Nano-thermite."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Wikipedia:

Nano-thermite, also called "super-thermite",[1] is the common name for a subset of metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) characterized by a highly exothermic reaction after ignition. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as in applications in propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.

What separates MICs from traditional thermites is that the oxidizer and a reducing agent, normally iron oxide and aluminium are in the form of extremely fine powders (nanoparticles). This dramatically increases the reactivity relative to micrometre-sized powder thermite. As the mass transport mechanisms that slow down the burning rates of traditional thermites are not so important at these scales, the reactions become kinetically controlled and much faster.

MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.

Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.[3]

Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy. Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[4]

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Sat 09/24/11 01:26 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 01:27 PM
This is clearly not floors collapsing on other floors.



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Sat 09/24/11 01:34 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 01:40 PM
One eighth of the 110 stories would be 13.75 floors high. The debris from a single tower would have been 13 -14 stories high.

It was not even one story high. Steal beams and concrete don't burn up in a fire. Yet the temperatures of some of the melted steal that survived on the lower floors were at temperatures hot enough to melt steal and cars. A fire from Jet fuel can't get that hot.

Conclusion: Some kind of advanced weapon and/or explosives were used.


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Sat 09/24/11 02:25 PM

You obviously have not watched the videos enough or looked at the pictures Dr. Wood has on her sight. It looks like an explosion to me! Also, the building fell at free fall speed in ten seconds as if there was nothing under it to slow it down like a "pancake collapse" would have done.







Building 7 also fell at free fall speed. It was not as damaged as much as building #6 which did not collapse and it was hit by the last few pieces of the falling tower. There was very little debris left of building #7 but a lot left of building 6.

Also, there were credible witnesses who were injured by explosions in building 7 BEFORE the towers ever fell.

There were lots of witnesses who heard and were killed by explosions. Have you done any reading and investigating at all?




i'm not gunna get into your condescending attitude with you, just when i feel i can have a LOGICAL discussion with, you start that "your the only one that knows" crap. believe what you want, if it makes you happy. your version of "credible" witnesses is different from my version. you really should take a logic course, so you can see the forest for the trees, because just about everything you say is just not logical. it looks like it is an explosion because it is an explosion, THE AIR RUSHING OUT. Air only compresses so much, then it "explodes" outwards, in any direction it can. did you thing there was a vacuum in the building? each story was falling down to the next, the air trapped between them had to go somewhere, and quickly.
your "dust" theory makes no sense whatsoever, i cannot imagine where you came up with that.

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Sat 09/24/11 04:13 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 04:16 PM
I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.


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Sat 09/24/11 04:19 PM

I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...

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Sat 09/24/11 04:23 PM


I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...


It is basic physics. Free fall in ten seconds. One floor crashing into another floor could not have done that.


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Sat 09/24/11 04:27 PM



I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...


It is basic physics. Free fall in ten seconds. One floor crashing into another floor could not have done that.




show me how it could not have happened, i'll listen...

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Sat 09/24/11 04:51 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 04:53 PM




I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...


It is basic physics. Free fall in ten seconds. One floor crashing into another floor could not have done that.




show me how it could not have happened, i'll listen...


laugh laugh laugh

None of you people who claim to know all this physics stuff have shown anyone how it could have happened the way it did.

NOT EVEN NIST!

When one floor falls and crashes on top of another floor it will naturally meet some resistance. This resistance will slow it down.

The building did not slow down. It fell at free fall speed and in ten seconds as if it were falling through thin air. No resistance.

Basic physics.




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Sat 09/24/11 05:04 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 05:06 PM
Even in controlled demolitions the building must have explosions going off from the ground up in order for the building to fall at free fall speed like we all witnessed those buildings falling.

And yet so-called experts are trying to sell the story that there were no explosives, no explosions. They want us to believe that the weight of the floors above fell on the floors below in succession.

That is not what happened and that is clearly not what any reasonable person sees when they watch videos of the collapse of WT1, WT2 and WT7. These buildings clearly had explosions clearing the way for the massive amount of material that was coming down.

Buildings WT6 and WT5 did not collapse. WT6 had more debris falling on it from WT1 than any other building and more than WT7 had. Yet WT#7 collapsed completely into its footprint at free fall speed with no resistance and there was not enough debris left of it for it to have been just a normal collapse.

And NIST has NOT explained any of this, and NIST did not explain how the towers collapsed the way they did.




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Sat 09/24/11 05:08 PM





I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...


It is basic physics. Free fall in ten seconds. One floor crashing into another floor could not have done that.




show me how it could not have happened, i'll listen...


laugh laugh laugh

None of you people who claim to know all this physics stuff have shown anyone how it could have happened the way it did.

NOT EVEN NIST!

When one floor falls and crashes on top of another floor it will naturally meet some resistance. This resistance will slow it down.

The building did not slow down. It fell at free fall speed and in ten seconds as if it were falling through thin air. No resistance.

Basic physics.






why do we need to explain it? it already happened, and they have on about 429 videos.. watch them


and every time someone asks you to show why you believe something, you turn it around and try to get them to explain their views.

your the one that keeps saying it could not have happened one way or the other, but you NEVER try to help us understand why you think it is so...

i'll ask you again, why could the buildings could not have fallen the way they did?

if your not going to answer this, tell me and i'll get off this thread and leave you to your fantasies... show me how it is not a fantasy...

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Sat 09/24/11 05:18 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 09/24/11 05:19 PM






I think a man who worked in building #7 for years and barely got out with his life and was injured and treated is a damn credible witness.

I think firemen who heard explosions are damn credible witnesses.

I am being more logical than you are. You are ignoring the facts and the evidence. So I can say the same thing you say. Believe what you want.

A building falling at free fall speed is not falling on top of the floors below it because the floors below it would slow down the fall. That is common sense and basic physics. Free fall speed means that the floors below it were not putting up any resistance at all. They were also falling at free fall speed. There was no reason for them to be falling at free fall speed before they were hit by the floors above them.

Basic Common sense.




try basic physics instead... sometimes that overrules common sense...


It is basic physics. Free fall in ten seconds. One floor crashing into another floor could not have done that.




show me how it could not have happened, i'll listen...


laugh laugh laugh

None of you people who claim to know all this physics stuff have shown anyone how it could have happened the way it did.

NOT EVEN NIST!

When one floor falls and crashes on top of another floor it will naturally meet some resistance. This resistance will slow it down.

The building did not slow down. It fell at free fall speed and in ten seconds as if it were falling through thin air. No resistance.

Basic physics.






why do we need to explain it? it already happened, and they have on about 429 videos.. watch them


and every time someone asks you to show why you believe something, you turn it around and try to get them to explain their views.

your the one that keeps saying it could not have happened one way or the other, but you NEVER try to help us understand why you think it is so...

i'll ask you again, why could the buildings could not have fallen the way they did?

if your not going to answer this, tell me and i'll get off this thread and leave you to your fantasies... show me how it is not a fantasy...




I already answered your question but I will say it again.

Because the floors would have met resistance and would slow down as one floor fell upon the one below it.

They did not slow down because there was no resistance at all. There was no resistance because the floor below them exploded and collapsed because of the explosions, not because of the weight of the floor above it.

Free fall speed could not have occurred if there was any resistance. The floors below were held up with even larger and stronger steal and concrete than the floors above them. That is a lot of resistance. One million tons of material.

And the debris was only 2% of all of that material and the pile was less than a story tall.

Impossible unless there was a powerful explosion or bomb at work. Even a controlled demolition with explosives would have more debris to clean up at the bottom.

Basic physics and basic common sense. And I feel like I'm talking to a wall because you don't comprehend anything I say apparently.

Believe anything you want. Believe your government. They never ever lie.