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Topic: Air Force pursuing antimatter weapons
Chazster's photo
Sun 09/25/11 12:00 AM



I don't pretend to know what happened like you do. I just know bull chit when I hear it.







Says the person confusing antimatter and laser technology.

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Sun 09/25/11 12:02 AM


Evidence of an explosive called nano-thermite was found by independant investigators who were there when it happened. Watch the movie "loose change."

Wikipedia has some interesting information about that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Potential uses

Historically, pyrotechnic or explosive applications for traditional thermites have been limited due to their relatively slow energy release rates. But because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far improved.[2]
MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.[3] Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy. Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[4]


No there was evidence of thermite. Thats all. It is used for quickly cutting steal so its no surprise that it would be found there as they were cutting steel.

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Sun 09/25/11 12:04 AM

Please don't talk about physics when you don't understand it.


What? What make you think I don't understand physics? I understand more than you apparently. laugh

What makes you think you can tell me what I can talk about anyway?




Nope you really don't, and I wasn't telling you what to do. I was making a polite request which is why I used please.

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Sun 09/25/11 12:05 AM




I don't pretend to know what happened like you do. I just know bull chit when I hear it.







Says the person confusing antimatter and laser technology.


I have not confused antimatter and laser technology. What makes you think that? That is very presumptuous of you.

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Sun 09/25/11 12:06 AM



Evidence of an explosive called nano-thermite was found by independant investigators who were there when it happened. Watch the movie "loose change."

Wikipedia has some interesting information about that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite

Potential uses

Historically, pyrotechnic or explosive applications for traditional thermites have been limited due to their relatively slow energy release rates. But because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far improved.[2]
MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.[3] Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy. Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials. Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s.[4]


No there was evidence of thermite. Thats all. It is used for quickly cutting steal so its no surprise that it would be found there as they were cutting steel.


I'm telling you that there was nano-thermite discovered by independent investigators. (Not by NIST because they did not even bother to look for any kind of explosives.)


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Sun 09/25/11 12:07 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/25/11 12:09 AM


Please don't talk about physics when you don't understand it.


What? What make you think I don't understand physics? I understand more than you apparently. laugh

What makes you think you can tell me what I can talk about anyway?




Nope you really don't, and I wasn't telling you what to do. I was making a polite request which is why I used please.


Then I will make a polite request of you. Please stay out of my thread if you don't like it.

And yes I think I do understand more about physics than you do.

But I know I can spot B.S. and propaganda better than you can.tongue2 laugh




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Sun 09/25/11 12:16 AM



Please don't talk about physics when you don't understand it.


What? What make you think I don't understand physics? I understand more than you apparently. laugh

What makes you think you can tell me what I can talk about anyway?




Nope you really don't, and I wasn't telling you what to do. I was making a polite request which is why I used please.


Then I will make a polite request of you. Please stay out of my thread if you don't like it.

And yes I think I do understand more about physics than you do.

But I know I can spot B.S. and propaganda better than you can.tongue2 laugh






Well I am sure you are the only person in this thread that believes those things.

also did you forget all of this?



My biggest concern with the government/military developing antimatter weapons, would have to be: The most powerful and potentially globally devastating weapon ever known to man, is being built by the lowest bidder!


don't worry to much, they are decades away from any type of meaningful development.


Guess again.

Listen to Douglas Beason

DR. J. DOUGLAS BEASON, Col. (USAF, ret.), a key architect and leading expert of directed-energy research for the past twenty-six years, holds a Ph.D. in laser-technology physics. He has served at the White House, working for the President's Science Advisor in both the Clinton and Bush administrations. Today he is on the Board of Directors of the Directed Energy Professional Society, and at Los Alamos National Laboratory he is Director of Threat Reduction. Dr. Beason is the author of twelve books, including some popular fiction techno-thrillers, and over one hundred scholarly papers and other works. He is a Fellow of the prestigious American Physical Society.





You trying to argue against someone making a claim about antimatter weapons with an article on direct energy weapons. So you either confused them or made a completely pointless and invalid argument as you were not even able to stay on topic. Now I believe its easier to stay on topic then to not confuse those 2 weapon types so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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Sun 09/25/11 12:27 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/25/11 12:29 AM
I was not responding to that post. I was just posting a link to something I thought was interesting concerning new weapons being developed.

I'm not here to argue anyway. Just to present some ideas for discussion and some information.

Why do you think I'm here to argue? Is that what you want to do?

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Sun 09/25/11 02:00 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/25/11 02:09 AM
Okay here goes my imagination.

I have asked the question of my learned friends here on Mingle to try to explain to me how 1400 cars were rusted and burned, melted and sometimes turned upside down, glass broken or gone on 9-11, and have gotten no answer.

These are people who have degrees in physics and or engineering. None have attempted to voice their theory. How did these cars get destroyed? The best answer I got was that "maybe" some debris from a falling tower fell on them and started them on fire. (Do you know how difficult it is to burn a car up?)

Alright now you can all have fun making fun of me some more because I did a little reading and I have concocted my own version of a purely B.S. explanation of how this may have occurred, not knowing anything about physics.

Have fun.

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Why did the cars rust?
Why were they burned up and engine blocks melted as if from extreme heat?





Metastable Intermolecular Composites. (MICS)

First, Nano-thermite was used as the explosive element.
Second, either the planes hitting the tower or a laser weapon could have been used as the ignition.

Nano-thermite, also called "super-thermite", is the common name for a subset of metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) characterized by a highly exothermic reaction after ignition.

(An exothermic reaction is a chemical reaction that releases energy in the form of light or heat. Expressed in a chemical equation: reactants → products + energy)

Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as in applications in propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.

What separates MICs from traditional thermites is that the oxidizer and a reducing agent, normally iron oxide and aluminium are in the form of extremely fine powders (nanoparticles).

This dramatically increases the reactivity relative to micrometre-sized powder thermite. As the mass transport mechanisms that slow down the burning rates of traditional thermites are not so important at these scales, the reactions become kinetically controlled and much faster.

Reducing agents and oxidizing agents are the ones responsible for corrosion, which is the “degradation of metals as a result of electrochemical activity”.

(The reason the cars were all rusted.)

Corrosion requires an anode and cathode to take place. The anode is an element that loses electrons (reducing agent), thus oxidation always occurs in the anode, and the cathode is an element that gains electrons (oxidizing agent), thus reduction always occurs in the cathode.

Corrosion occurs whenever there’s a difference in oxidation potential. When this is present, the anode metal begins deteriorating, given there is an electrical connection and the presence of an electrolyte.

(The highly reactive dust from the explosion drifting to the parking lot provided the connection, -- not falling debris or fire.)

Cause and ignition of car fires:

A substance with a relatively low ignition temperature begins to release heat, which may occur in several ways, such as oxidation or fermentation.

The dust carried the charge and reacted with the metal of the cars and oxidation occurred. This dust did not react with paper, only the metal and other more conductive materials.

The heat is unable to escape, and the temperature of the material rises. (The engine blocks were melted)

The temperature of the material rises above its ignition point
Combustion begins if a sufficiently strong oxidizer, such as oxygen, is present.

(The car bursts into flames, the engine blocks melt.)

(Cars found upside down were the result of explosions from the highly reactive dust.)

Side note:

Because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far improved.

MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.

Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy.

Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials.
Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s

************************************************************


P.S. I got most of this from wikipedia and just threw it together. Does it sound convincing? bigsmile tongue2

Well it's the best explanation I could come up with since no one else was willing to try.









metalwing's photo
Sun 09/25/11 05:25 AM

Okay here goes my imagination.

I have asked the question of my learned friends here on Mingle to try to explain to me how 1400 cars were rusted and burned, melted and sometimes turned upside down, glass broken or gone on 9-11, and have gotten no answer.

These are people who have degrees in physics and or engineering. None have attempted to voice their theory. How did these cars get destroyed? The best answer I got was that "maybe" some debris from a falling tower fell on them and started them on fire. (Do you know how difficult it is to burn a car up?)

Alright now you can all have fun making fun of me some more because I did a little reading and I have concocted my own version of a purely B.S. explanation of how this may have occurred, not knowing anything about physics.

Have fun.

*****************************************************

Why did the cars rust?
Why were they burned up and engine blocks melted as if from extreme heat?





Metastable Intermolecular Composites. (MICS)

First, Nano-thermite was used as the explosive element.
Second, either the planes hitting the tower or a laser weapon could have been used as the ignition.

Nano-thermite, also called "super-thermite", is the common name for a subset of metastable intermolecular composites (MICs) characterized by a highly exothermic reaction after ignition.

(An exothermic reaction is a chemical reaction that releases energy in the form of light or heat. Expressed in a chemical equation: reactants → products + energy)

Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as in applications in propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.

What separates MICs from traditional thermites is that the oxidizer and a reducing agent, normally iron oxide and aluminium are in the form of extremely fine powders (nanoparticles).

This dramatically increases the reactivity relative to micrometre-sized powder thermite. As the mass transport mechanisms that slow down the burning rates of traditional thermites are not so important at these scales, the reactions become kinetically controlled and much faster.

Reducing agents and oxidizing agents are the ones responsible for corrosion, which is the “degradation of metals as a result of electrochemical activity”.

(The reason the cars were all rusted.)

Corrosion requires an anode and cathode to take place. The anode is an element that loses electrons (reducing agent), thus oxidation always occurs in the anode, and the cathode is an element that gains electrons (oxidizing agent), thus reduction always occurs in the cathode.

Corrosion occurs whenever there’s a difference in oxidation potential. When this is present, the anode metal begins deteriorating, given there is an electrical connection and the presence of an electrolyte.

(The highly reactive dust from the explosion drifting to the parking lot provided the connection, -- not falling debris or fire.)

Cause and ignition of car fires:

A substance with a relatively low ignition temperature begins to release heat, which may occur in several ways, such as oxidation or fermentation.

The dust carried the charge and reacted with the metal of the cars and oxidation occurred. This dust did not react with paper, only the metal and other more conductive materials.

The heat is unable to escape, and the temperature of the material rises. (The engine blocks were melted)

The temperature of the material rises above its ignition point
Combustion begins if a sufficiently strong oxidizer, such as oxygen, is present.

(The car bursts into flames, the engine blocks melt.)

(Cars found upside down were the result of explosions from the highly reactive dust.)

Side note:

Because nanothermites are created from reactant particles with proximities approaching the atomic scale, energy release rates are far improved.

MICs or Super-thermites are generally developed for military use, propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Because of their highly increased reaction rate, nanosized thermitic materials are being researched by the U.S. military with the aim of developing new types of bombs that are several times more powerful than conventional explosives.

Nanoenergetic materials can store higher amounts of energy than conventional energetic materials and can be used in innovative ways to tailor the release of this energy.

Thermobaric weapons are considered to be a promising application of nanoenergetic materials.
Research into military applications of nano-sized materials began in the early 1990s

************************************************************


P.S. I got most of this from wikipedia and just threw it together. Does it sound convincing? bigsmile tongue2

Well it's the best explanation I could come up with since no one else was willing to try.











rofl

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Sun 09/25/11 10:23 AM
Edited by Chazster on Sun 09/25/11 10:23 AM

I was not responding to that post. I was just posting a link to something I thought was interesting concerning new weapons being developed.

I'm not here to argue anyway. Just to present some ideas for discussion and some information.

Why do you think I'm here to argue? Is that what you want to do?


So when you quote someone and then remark Guess again
and then post an article we are supposed to not think you are responding to him? Then what is the point of quoting him and saying guess again? Sounds like you were incorrect on something, called out on it, and are now trying to deny it.

That is what it seems like to me. I am open to views of other readers though.

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Sun 09/25/11 10:49 AM
watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/

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Sun 09/25/11 11:02 AM

watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.


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Sun 09/25/11 11:03 AM


watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.



.....whoa laugh laugh laugh laugh

sorry, i forgot about the new, noiseless bombs...whoa :laughing: :laughing:

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Sun 09/25/11 11:06 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 09/25/11 11:06 AM



watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.



.....whoa laugh laugh laugh laugh

sorry, i forgot about the new, noiseless bombs...whoa :laughing: :laughing:


People laughed at me when I told them about seeing the "new silent helicopters" too, in the 1960's. The Military said they do not exist. Yet ranchers saw them. Then later guess what? The black whisper helicopters were unveiled.

So keep laughing.tongue2 waving

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Sun 09/25/11 11:09 AM


I was not responding to that post. I was just posting a link to something I thought was interesting concerning new weapons being developed.

I'm not here to argue anyway. Just to present some ideas for discussion and some information.

Why do you think I'm here to argue? Is that what you want to do?


So when you quote someone and then remark Guess again
and then post an article we are supposed to not think you are responding to him? Then what is the point of quoting him and saying guess again? Sounds like you were incorrect on something, called out on it, and are now trying to deny it.

That is what it seems like to me. I am open to views of other readers though.


Chaster if you just want to argue about something go somewhere else. I was just showing how governments are constantly working on new energy weapons. If you think an anti-matter weapon is not an "energy weapon" that's your opinion. They are spending money on research for any kind of new weapon they can imagine.

That does not mean I don't know the difference between laser and anti-matter weapons.

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Sun 09/25/11 11:23 AM




watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.



.....whoa laugh laugh laugh laugh

sorry, i forgot about the new, noiseless bombs...whoa :laughing: :laughing:


People laughed at me when I told them about seeing the "new silent helicopters" too, in the 1960's. The Military said they do not exist. Yet ranchers saw them. Then later guess what? The black whisper helicopters were unveiled.

So keep laughing.tongue2 waving


and they have other things we know nothing about...that doesn't mean they are using them to kill our own innocent civilians...

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Sun 09/25/11 11:52 AM





watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.



.....whoa laugh laugh laugh laugh

sorry, i forgot about the new, noiseless bombs...whoa :laughing: :laughing:


People laughed at me when I told them about seeing the "new silent helicopters" too, in the 1960's. The Military said they do not exist. Yet ranchers saw them. Then later guess what? The black whisper helicopters were unveiled.

So keep laughing.tongue2 waving


and they have other things we know nothing about...that doesn't mean they are using them to kill our own innocent civilians...


I never said I had absolute proof. But then, the FBI does not have proof that Osama Bin Laden was even connected to that attack.

Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility. Then later the FBI faked a tape of him and claimed he admitted responsibility. That looks very suspicious to me.

So I conclude, based on the evidence of the cover-up, the lies, and making everything connected to the investigation "classified" and unverifiable, that the big finger points to them.

If they went on trial, I would have to have more proof of everything. At this time my mind says "guilty."


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Sun 09/25/11 11:55 AM






watch this video, JB, and see if you can hear the difference in a controlled demolition and a free fall....the dust NEVER came from and explosions, it came from the building falling down, and these people that filmed it were about a mile away from it, and heard EVERY explosion clear as day...

http://www.boomclips.com/videos.aspx/video~office_building_demolition/Office_Building_Demolition/Extreme_videos/


Mightymoe those are normal explosives. This new weapon, whatever it was explodes with a lot less noise. These buildings exploded, but they were not those same kind of loud explosions.



.....whoa laugh laugh laugh laugh

sorry, i forgot about the new, noiseless bombs...whoa :laughing: :laughing:


People laughed at me when I told them about seeing the "new silent helicopters" too, in the 1960's. The Military said they do not exist. Yet ranchers saw them. Then later guess what? The black whisper helicopters were unveiled.

So keep laughing.tongue2 waving


and they have other things we know nothing about...that doesn't mean they are using them to kill our own innocent civilians...


I never said I had absolute proof. But then, the FBI does not have proof that Osama Bin Laden was even connected to that attack.

Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility. Then later the FBI faked a tape of him and claimed he admitted responsibility. That looks very suspicious to me.

So I conclude, based on the evidence of the cover-up, the lies, and making everything connected to the investigation "classified" and unverifiable, that the big finger points to them.

If they went on trial, I would have to have more proof of everything. At this time my mind says "guilty."





i could have sworn that osama was the first one to claim responsibility for it, i have never heard that he denied it...

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Sun 09/25/11 11:57 AM
Yes he did, but our media did not publicize that fact. They, after all, wanted to blame him.

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