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This is a moving gif image showing a steel beam turning to dust and collapsing. This dust was all over the area of the trade center. Some of the dust also remained in the upper atmosphere. The whole area was covered with inches of this dust. The rubble from the 110 story towers amounted to only about 2% of the mass of the buildings. 110 stories. Offices with furniture, bathrooms, over 200 elevators, 400 toilets at least had to be in that building. No broken parts were found. No file cabinets were found, not very many steel beams were actually found, no chunks of concrete were found. They were all "dustified." Not normal.  it's not normal that you can't see the forest for the trees... all the dust was coming from BELOW the beams, which we can clearly see in your pictures... do you really think they have something that turns steel into dust? So by what you are saying, you think they used 3 or 4 weapons on the WTC? The bombs, planes, and 2 different kinds of energy weapons, one that melts steel and another that turns it(steel) into dust? the cars were not turned into dust, why is that? Chaster, that picture clearly shows a steal beam being turned into dust. The dust was everywhere because EVERYTHING was turning to dust. The steal beam is there one minute and gone the next. What I might believe is totally irrelevant. The cars were totaled, mangled, melted and instantly rusted. Glass in some were completely gone. The ones that were not turned into dust probably did not get a direct hit of whatever it was. There may have been some that were turned into dust but of course you would not be able to find them would you? Just like they did not find any dead bodies, or anything else that was in those buildings. They found nothing. 200 elevators in each building, probably 500 - 1000 toilets, plumbing, furniture, etc. Nothing was found ... except one part of a single file cabinet.. melted. Explain that before you start asking me about why the cars were not turned into dust. geeeeze. yea, i'm sure those desks and toilets were made to withstand 1000's of tons of pressure... There is no possible way they would have all been turned into fine dust. No possible way. Where is the rubble people? So you are saying if I dropped 1000s of tons of metal and cement from hunderds of feet up in the air onto a toilet it wouldnt be reduced to nothing? What exactly would happen? What is your knowledge based off of? The 110 floors of the world trade center were said to have fallen one on top of another, in succession. Toilets did not drop from hundreds of feet to the ground. There were 1000's of toilets, file cabinets, furniture, plumbing, steal beams filled with concrete, windows, elevators etc. There is NO WAY possible that they were all turned into fine dust from that collapse. I have seen demolitions of much smaller buildings while living in Las Vegas and there was tons of rubble and concrete to be hauled away afterwards. And a lot of the contents of these buildings had the stuff inside removed before hand. They did not create a dust cloud that went up into the upper atmosphere either, and the dust cleared very quickly. Don't start making this personal and asking me what my knowledge is based on just because you call yourself an engineer. All one has to have is COMMON SENSE and a moderate amount of reasoning ability. Yes much smaller buildings = much less force. Its a pretty simple concept. Not to mention newtons law for every action there is an equal yet opposite reaction. Thus there are always forces in the opposite direction of the applied force. |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 09/22/11 02:59 PM
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Everyone's an expert. Except the actual experts, they have been bought off.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 03:22 PM
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This is a moving gif image showing a steel beam turning to dust and collapsing. This dust was all over the area of the trade center. Some of the dust also remained in the upper atmosphere. The whole area was covered with inches of this dust. The rubble from the 110 story towers amounted to only about 2% of the mass of the buildings. 110 stories. Offices with furniture, bathrooms, over 200 elevators, 400 toilets at least had to be in that building. No broken parts were found. No file cabinets were found, not very many steel beams were actually found, no chunks of concrete were found. They were all "dustified." Not normal. it's not normal that you can't see the forest for the trees... all the dust was coming from BELOW the beams, which we can clearly see in your pictures... do you really think they have something that turns steel into dust? So by what you are saying, you think they used 3 or 4 weapons on the WTC? The bombs, planes, and 2 different kinds of energy weapons, one that melts steel and another that turns it(steel) into dust? the cars were not turned into dust, why is that? Chaster, that picture clearly shows a steal beam being turned into dust. The dust was everywhere because EVERYTHING was turning to dust. The steal beam is there one minute and gone the next. What I might believe is totally irrelevant. The cars were totaled, mangled, melted and instantly rusted. Glass in some were completely gone. The ones that were not turned into dust probably did not get a direct hit of whatever it was. There may have been some that were turned into dust but of course you would not be able to find them would you? Just like they did not find any dead bodies, or anything else that was in those buildings. They found nothing. 200 elevators in each building, probably 500 - 1000 toilets, plumbing, furniture, etc. Nothing was found ... except one part of a single file cabinet.. melted. Explain that before you start asking me about why the cars were not turned into dust. geeeeze. yea, i'm sure those desks and toilets were made to withstand 1000's of tons of pressure... There is no possible way they would have all been turned into fine dust. No possible way. Where is the rubble people? So you are saying if I dropped 1000s of tons of metal and cement from hunderds of feet up in the air onto a toilet it wouldnt be reduced to nothing? What exactly would happen? What is your knowledge based off of? The 110 floors of the world trade center were said to have fallen one on top of another, in succession. Toilets did not drop from hundreds of feet to the ground. There were 1000's of toilets, file cabinets, furniture, plumbing, steal beams filled with concrete, windows, elevators etc. There is NO WAY possible that they were all turned into fine dust from that collapse. I have seen demolitions of much smaller buildings while living in Las Vegas and there was tons of rubble and concrete to be hauled away afterwards. And a lot of the contents of these buildings had the stuff inside removed before hand. They did not create a dust cloud that went up into the upper atmosphere either, and the dust cleared very quickly. Don't start making this personal and asking me what my knowledge is based on just because you call yourself an engineer. All one has to have is COMMON SENSE and a moderate amount of reasoning ability. Yes much smaller buildings = much less force. Its a pretty simple concept. Not to mention newtons law for every action there is an equal yet opposite reaction. Thus there are always forces in the opposite direction of the applied force. Meaningless rhetoric. So then are you saying that 200 elevators, 1000 toilets, countless file cabinets, furniture, plumbing, steal beams filled with concrete, building material from 110 floors all turned into dust from the fall? Very funny. Unrealistic, impossible and against the laws of physics which you so revere. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 03:21 PM
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Everyone's an expert. Except the actual experts, they have been bought off. This contributes no real information. Name some actual experts. Who has been bought off? What actual proof can they contribute? Most of the so-called 'experts' arrived at their opinions by looking at simulated computer programs that have obviously been manipulated. What have they actually seen and investigated? Where are their pictures and samples? Where are their answers to the above puzzles? Who are their on the street witnesses? What are their names? What did they really see? Who questioned them? Where are the transcripts? Where are the details? Where are the real facts from these so called government experts? Why is everything classified? |
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well, good luck with your research, i'm sure between you and a few others in here will figure out the big conspiracy, and make the government stop lying to us... As long as there are people who will continue to believe everything they are told, they will continue to build their web of lies. People just have to stop listening to and reacting to the lies. THEY ARE LIES. Yes, there are hundreds of people who want the truth, and will figure out the big conspiracy of lies. So do them a favor and stop belittling them. Don't kill the messengers. Help them expose the lies or find the truth if you care. If you don't care then just get out of their way. They will find the truth. Instead of attacking the "truthers" try investigating the Liars and make them prove their story. Tell them to declassify everything. You can't ask them questions because they won't answer you. They will say "THAT'S CLASSIFIED" or you can't know that because of "NATIONAL SECURITY." Go ahead. Ask them to answer some questions. You won't get anywhere. i believe what i believe, not what i'm told... most of the things you "truthers" say is is false, because you don't take in the laws of physics or any general reality...no bomb parts were found, but you guys insist they were there, i have hear painted on bombs, the building couldn't fall the way it did, but they did, energy weapons, dancing Israelis, the planes were missiles, the owner blowing up a building, steel turning into dust, and about 100 other ridiculous ideas...try reading about some actual science, something that will teach you something about THE WAY THINGS REALLY HAPPEN, not some fantasy about death rays melting cars... |
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Thu 09/22/11 03:26 PM
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Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
YES. Steel has a tinsel strength, toilet seats have a tinsel strength. They also have a shear capacity. I have no problems believing a toilet seats tinsel strength or shear capacity is less than that of steal. The weight of the materials in the collapse would be staggering. The thing to envision is taking frogs and putting them in a blender filled with rocks. FROGS, WHAT FROGS, I SEE NO FROGS, just dust . . . . It would be like combining the crushing power of one of those crushers from terminator, with the ripping power of a skyscraper sized blender, and the shearing capacity of a jack hammer. In fact, my analogy is a huge understatement, in fact I cannot think of anything so devastating as a GIANT skyscraper collapsing. Short of astronomy I can not think of greater forces we would see in day to day life. We have hundreds of examples of fires causing large buildings to collapse, extremely accurate models, and real world physics. There is just NO justification for any of these so called theories . . . . |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 03:43 PM
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Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. YES. Steel has a tinsel strength, toilet seats have a tinsel strength. They also have a shear capacity. I have no problems believing a toilet seats tinsel strength or shear capacity is less than that of steal. The weight of the materials in the collapse would be staggering. The thing to envision is taking frogs and putting them in a blender filled with rocks. FROGS, WHAT FROGS, I SEE NO FROGS, just dust . . . . It would be like combining the crushing power of one of those crushers from terminator, with the ripping power of a skyscraper sized blender, and the shearing capacity of a jack hammer. In fact, my analogy is probably an understatement. The building was not completely on fire. Just the top of it. The dust particles from a normal demolition do not reach higher than the actual building usually, and they don't go into the upper atmosphere. The rubble from the building #7 was taller than the rubble from the twin towers. It was not the same kind of collapse. The floors were said to have fallen one on top of another, from the weight above it. All of this material would not have turned to dust before it hit the ground from just a failure of the beams. Even normal explosions don't turn things to dust. And they are trying to say that there were no explosions at all. There were just the planes and the fires. Sorry, I don't buy any of that. I'm surprised anyone does. I don't care how much education they claim to have. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 03:38 PM
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well, good luck with your research, i'm sure between you and a few others in here will figure out the big conspiracy, and make the government stop lying to us... As long as there are people who will continue to believe everything they are told, they will continue to build their web of lies. People just have to stop listening to and reacting to the lies. THEY ARE LIES. Yes, there are hundreds of people who want the truth, and will figure out the big conspiracy of lies. So do them a favor and stop belittling them. Don't kill the messengers. Help them expose the lies or find the truth if you care. If you don't care then just get out of their way. They will find the truth. Instead of attacking the "truthers" try investigating the Liars and make them prove their story. Tell them to declassify everything. You can't ask them questions because they won't answer you. They will say "THAT'S CLASSIFIED" or you can't know that because of "NATIONAL SECURITY." Go ahead. Ask them to answer some questions. You won't get anywhere. i believe what i believe, not what i'm told... most of the things you "truthers" say is is false, because you don't take in the laws of physics or any general reality...no bomb parts were found, but you guys insist they were there, i have hear painted on bombs, the building couldn't fall the way it did, but they did, energy weapons, dancing Israelis, the planes were missiles, the owner blowing up a building, steel turning into dust, and about 100 other ridiculous ideas...try reading about some actual science, something that will teach you something about THE WAY THINGS REALLY HAPPEN, not some fantasy about death rays melting cars... You believe what you are told by the government authorities who lie. If you can't actually contribute anything except trying to demean the messengers who are actually doing some investigation, and actually providing evidence and pictures of the scene, and if you can't answer the questions they (and I) am asking why do you post anything at all? I'm not interested in your personal opinion. If you know anything then answer some questions. Because you don't know. |
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well, good luck with your research, i'm sure between you and a few others in here will figure out the big conspiracy, and make the government stop lying to us... As long as there are people who will continue to believe everything they are told, they will continue to build their web of lies. People just have to stop listening to and reacting to the lies. THEY ARE LIES. Yes, there are hundreds of people who want the truth, and will figure out the big conspiracy of lies. So do them a favor and stop belittling them. Don't kill the messengers. Help them expose the lies or find the truth if you care. If you don't care then just get out of their way. They will find the truth. Instead of attacking the "truthers" try investigating the Liars and make them prove their story. Tell them to declassify everything. You can't ask them questions because they won't answer you. They will say "THAT'S CLASSIFIED" or you can't know that because of "NATIONAL SECURITY." Go ahead. Ask them to answer some questions. You won't get anywhere. i believe what i believe, not what i'm told... most of the things you "truthers" say is is false, because you don't take in the laws of physics or any general reality...no bomb parts were found, but you guys insist they were there, i have hear painted on bombs, the building couldn't fall the way it did, but they did, energy weapons, dancing Israelis, the planes were missiles, the owner blowing up a building, steel turning into dust, and about 100 other ridiculous ideas...try reading about some actual science, something that will teach you something about THE WAY THINGS REALLY HAPPEN, not some fantasy about death rays melting cars... You believe what you are told by the government authorities who lie. If you can't actually contribute anything except trying to demean the messengers who are actually doing some investigation, and actually providing evidence and pictures of the scene, and if you can't answer the questions they (and I) am asking why do you post anything at all? I'm not interested in your personal opinion. If you know anything then answer some questions. Because you don't know. i' not trying to demean anyone, it's not my fault you live in a fantasy world. i could could care less what you interested in... if you cannot understand simple laws of physics, don't start accusing everyone else of being ignorant because they do not agree with you... that just shows that you think you are right, and everyone else in the world is wrong... i really don't care if you are right or wrong, there is no way to prove it either way. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 04:33 PM
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i' not trying to demean anyone, it's not my fault you live in a fantasy world. i could could care less what you interested in... if you cannot understand simple laws of physics, don't start accusing everyone else of being ignorant because they do not agree with you... that just shows that you think you are right, and everyone else in the world is wrong... i really don't care if you are right or wrong, there is no way to prove it either way. Everyone keeps telling me that I don't understand the simple laws of physics. That's really irrelevant and getting very old. It is not relevant to the questions being asked here that no one, who claims to know more than me, has even tried to answer. I live in the same world as you live in and please stop getting off the topic and stop trying to make it about me. If you have anything valid to add or say about the questions or points mentioned in this thread then I welcome your input. If you can't do as well explaining these puzzles as the "truther" investigators are doing, then why do you feel you are qualified to criticize them or me? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 04:44 PM
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So how many people don't believe that we are building and testing high energy beam weapons?
If we are not, then what did we spend a half billion dollars on? If we are not, then exactly WHAT IS IT THAT IS SO CLASSIFIED? If 9-11 was just airplanes and falling buildings, why is it so CLASSIFIED? If we are not, then why does the Military want to buy up all the land in Colorado, including the town I live in, for military training? They are testing their new energy weapons here, they need more room. They don't think our grasslands and farms are worth keeping or preserving. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 05:01 PM
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Bushibillyclub,
We have hundreds of examples of fires causing large buildings to collapse, extremely accurate models, and real world physics. There is just NO justification for any of these so called theories. I saw a lumber company burn to the ground across the street from where I live. It took all night. Not the same thing. It burned up after it became an inferno. It was made mostly of wood though. No steal beams or concrete except for the foundation which still remains. Okay, I'm game. Show me some of these examples of fires causing large buildings to collapse. Name just one or two. You said "we have hundreds." How do these examples compare to the towers? Did they fall and turn to dust? |
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Everyone keeps telling me that I don't understand the simple laws of physics. That's really irrelevant and getting very old. Yea its relevant when you try to say things are against he laws of physics. Then we say know they are not against them and you just don't understand them. Then you claim its irrelevant. See the circle you create? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 09/22/11 05:36 PM
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An anonymous source has allowed the release of high quality DVD footage of all 3 WTC collapses. The North & South Tower & building 7. The photographer wishes to remain anonymous and audio has not been given permission for public release, but you can download the files here without sound, in high quality DVD format cut from the source video at the following links.
South Tower: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=67PMXROL North Tower http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YS0XHA8B Building 7: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EKPQ0VXM a high quality DivX compilation of all 3 clips, you can download that here if you wish: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LSO4XYAZ You can see them on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY&feature=player_embedded These may be taken away in the future so if you are interested, download them! |
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Everyone keeps telling me that I don't understand the simple laws of physics. That's really irrelevant and getting very old. Yea its relevant when you try to say things are against he laws of physics. Then we say know they are not against them and you just don't understand them. Then you claim its irrelevant. See the circle you create? Okay then please explain to me, how a 110 story building and everything in it can be turned into mostly dust, very tiny dust, from just falling. Explain to me how exactly that building did that? Then watch the videos I linked to in the above post carefully. Building #7 fell quite differently than the two towers. The towers, exploded. They DID NOT COLLAPSE one story on top of another like Building #7. They exploded and were disintegrated. Download the high resolution videos linked to here and compare building #7 and the explosion of the two towers. Then, with all your expertise tell me why they are not the same kind of collapse. |
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Everyone keeps telling me that I don't understand the simple laws of physics. That's really irrelevant and getting very old. Yea its relevant when you try to say things are against he laws of physics. Then we say know they are not against them and you just don't understand them. Then you claim its irrelevant. See the circle you create? Okay then please explain to me, how a 110 story building and everything in it can be turned into mostly dust, very tiny dust, from just falling. Explain to me how exactly that building did that? Then watch the videos I linked to in the above post carefully. Building #7 fell quite differently than the two towers. The towers, exploded. They DID NOT COLLAPSE one story on top of another like Building #7. They exploded and were disintegrated. Download the high resolution videos linked to here and compare building #7 and the explosion of the two towers. Then, with all your expertise tell me why they are not the same kind of collapse. Easy, they are not the same type of collapse because they collapsed for different reasons and the structural supports were different. |
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were you there cleaning everything up? what makes you THINK everything turned to dust?
    none of these photos looks like dust to me.... what can you say now? |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Thu 09/22/11 05:51 PM
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