Topic: MY 1ST POST HERE, I JUST WITNESSED A MIRACLE!
Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 01:14 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 01:14 PM

I personally dont see,ohwell

why we all, just cant,

believe the way we want, and what we want,

and not worry, or care, what anybody else is doing.:thumbsup:

Unless your trying to convert people.:angel:

And good luck with that.winking

God Bless:heart:


The whole problem is a lot of Christians and religious in general can't do that. They insist their way is the ONLY way, and all others are wrong. So it's not as simple as live and let live here when you got people like that. Hence why there are those like me trying to defend others against them.

luv2roknroll's photo
Sun 11/06/11 03:17 PM


I personally dont see,ohwell

why we all, just cant,

believe the way we want, and what we want,

and not worry, or care, what anybody else is doing.:thumbsup:

Unless your trying to convert people.:angel:

And good luck with that.winking

God Bless:heart:


The whole problem is a lot of Christians and religious in general can't do that. They insist their way is the ONLY way, and all others are wrong. So it's not as simple as live and let live here when you got people like that. Hence why there are those like me trying to defend others against them.


Well I have my own individual way of thinking, and anyone who doesnt agree with it, can frankly, "Bite me", cause its non of their buisness. And I say that with all due respect.

Im not gonna waste my time, defending the way I feel about it all right now, or later.

Its my right, and my choice to do whatever I feel is right for me, as long as im not harming, or offending, anyone else, or myself.

And quite frankly, I care not, how anyone else feels about what I do.

Im learning to be more tolerant, and patient, and loving, so its all good right now, for me.

I live my life, and let everyone live theres. The same way, I have my relationship with God, and other people have theirs. Im just glad to see that people do have a higher power, that they love, no matter what their terms are, or way of believing is.

Whos to say, what anyone else should do, really?

I know one thing for sure. If I do stay in Christianity, I am going to be a very unique Christian, as I dont try to convert, and I dont believe it is wrong to be gay or lesbian, and I will not go around trying to tell people what they should do religiously. Its not me.
But I will share testimony, with anyone who cares to share it with me, and tell anyone that asks, that God is awesome for ME in my life.

All I was suggesting to you Kleisto, is that you should know coming in here, your lookin at constant opposition, and thats not my cup of tea, im still learning tact!laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Bless you:heart:


Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 03:41 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 03:44 PM



I personally dont see,ohwell

why we all, just cant,

believe the way we want, and what we want,

and not worry, or care, what anybody else is doing.:thumbsup:

Unless your trying to convert people.:angel:

And good luck with that.winking

God Bless:heart:


The whole problem is a lot of Christians and religious in general can't do that. They insist their way is the ONLY way, and all others are wrong. So it's not as simple as live and let live here when you got people like that. Hence why there are those like me trying to defend others against them.


Well I have my own individual way of thinking, and anyone who doesnt agree with it, can frankly, "Bite me", cause its non of their buisness. And I say that with all due respect.

Im not gonna waste my time, defending the way I feel about it all right now, or later.

Its my right, and my choice to do whatever I feel is right for me, as long as im not harming, or offending, anyone else, or myself.

And quite frankly, I care not, how anyone else feels about what I do.

Im learning to be more tolerant, and patient, and loving, so its all good right now, for me.

I live my life, and let everyone live theres. The same way, I have my relationship with God, and other people have theirs. Im just glad to see that people do have a higher power, that they love, no matter what their terms are, or way of believing is.

Whos to say, what anyone else should do, really?


See you understand it, but a lot of religious don't. That's why people like me speak out, because someone has to stand up for what is right and against what is not. It'd be great if everyone let everyone else live and let live, but it simply doesn't happen that way. As long as there are people trying to force their religion and way of life on someone else, there will be those like me to combat them and protect those that are having it forced upon them. Because if we don't, who is gonna?

If people wanna disagree and cast me out for it, fine, but it isn't gonna stop me from standing up for those that can't do it on their own.

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 03:55 PM




I personally dont see,ohwell

why we all, just cant,

believe the way we want, and what we want,

and not worry, or care, what anybody else is doing.:thumbsup:

Unless your trying to convert people.:angel:

And good luck with that.winking

God Bless:heart:


The whole problem is a lot of Christians and religious in general can't do that. They insist their way is the ONLY way, and all others are wrong. So it's not as simple as live and let live here when you got people like that. Hence why there are those like me trying to defend others against them.


Well I have my own individual way of thinking, and anyone who doesnt agree with it, can frankly, "Bite me", cause its non of their buisness. And I say that with all due respect.

Im not gonna waste my time, defending the way I feel about it all right now, or later.

Its my right, and my choice to do whatever I feel is right for me, as long as im not harming, or offending, anyone else, or myself.

And quite frankly, I care not, how anyone else feels about what I do.

Im learning to be more tolerant, and patient, and loving, so its all good right now, for me.

I live my life, and let everyone live theres. The same way, I have my relationship with God, and other people have theirs. Im just glad to see that people do have a higher power, that they love, no matter what their terms are, or way of believing is.

Whos to say, what anyone else should do, really?


See you understand it, but a lot of religious don't. That's why people like me speak out, because someone has to stand up for what is right and against what is not. It'd be great if everyone let everyone else live and let live, but it simply doesn't happen that way. As long as there are people trying to force their religion and way of life on someone else, there will be those like me to combat them and protect those that are having it forced upon them. Because if we don't, who is gonna?

If people wanna disagree and cast me out for it, fine, but it isn't gonna stop me from standing up for those that can't do it on their own.


Are you entertaining the idea that anyone in this threads beliefs are "not right"?

Ruth34611's photo
Sun 11/06/11 03:56 PM

You are absolutely correct Ruth.


I usually am. :tongue:

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:00 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:01 PM





I personally dont see,ohwell

why we all, just cant,

believe the way we want, and what we want,

and not worry, or care, what anybody else is doing.:thumbsup:

Unless your trying to convert people.:angel:

And good luck with that.winking

God Bless:heart:


The whole problem is a lot of Christians and religious in general can't do that. They insist their way is the ONLY way, and all others are wrong. So it's not as simple as live and let live here when you got people like that. Hence why there are those like me trying to defend others against them.


Well I have my own individual way of thinking, and anyone who doesnt agree with it, can frankly, "Bite me", cause its non of their buisness. And I say that with all due respect.

Im not gonna waste my time, defending the way I feel about it all right now, or later.

Its my right, and my choice to do whatever I feel is right for me, as long as im not harming, or offending, anyone else, or myself.

And quite frankly, I care not, how anyone else feels about what I do.

Im learning to be more tolerant, and patient, and loving, so its all good right now, for me.

I live my life, and let everyone live theres. The same way, I have my relationship with God, and other people have theirs. Im just glad to see that people do have a higher power, that they love, no matter what their terms are, or way of believing is.

Whos to say, what anyone else should do, really?


See you understand it, but a lot of religious don't. That's why people like me speak out, because someone has to stand up for what is right and against what is not. It'd be great if everyone let everyone else live and let live, but it simply doesn't happen that way. As long as there are people trying to force their religion and way of life on someone else, there will be those like me to combat them and protect those that are having it forced upon them. Because if we don't, who is gonna?

If people wanna disagree and cast me out for it, fine, but it isn't gonna stop me from standing up for those that can't do it on their own.


Are you entertaining the idea that anyone in this threads beliefs are "not right"?


I am, your point? I contend religion lies about God plain and simple. And I will not let those lies go unchallenged, silence is consent.

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:06 PM
Well that seems quite ignorant to say that what someone believes is absolutely wrong because you don't understand it. It's fantastic that you THINK that but yet you have no evidence so how can you be so sure? When ever you ask why, also ask yourself why not? It is fine that you would like to challenge the idea of someones beliefs, if the other person feels they need/want to be challenged, but to say that is definitely is not true is laughable at best.

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:08 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:09 PM

Well that seems quite ignorant to say that what someone believes is absolutely wrong because you don't understand it. It's fantastic that you THINK that but yet you have no evidence so how can you be so sure? When ever you ask why, also ask yourself why not? It is fine that you would like to challenge the idea of someones beliefs, if the other person feels they need/want to be challenged, but to say that is definitely is not true is laughable at best.


And the difference between religious and that is????

Yeah that's what I thought.

Oh and I DO understand it, hence why I reject it. NO being of love is going to act like the religious Gods do. Period.

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:10 PM
religious and what? Please only use pronouns when it is clear what you are talking about.

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:12 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:12 PM

religious and what? Please only use pronouns when it is clear what you are talking about.


What I mean is what is the difference between what most religious people do, and what you claim me to be doing? There isn't any. So you're the pot calling the kettle black there.

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:16 PM
I'd love to be able to help you with question you have but yet you make no sense and your analogy did not help. What do most religious people do? What am I claiming to do? I have not made a claim.

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:17 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:17 PM

I'd love to be able to help you with question you have but yet you make no sense and your analogy did not help. What do most religious people do? What am I claiming to do? I have not made a claim.


What they do, if you would pay attention, is claim THEY have the truth in the very same way you accuse me of doing. It's the definition of being a hypocrite.

no photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:22 PM
Directed to fellow christians:

Let's me kind here.....

and respect each others beliefs.

Love is not arrogant....

or boastful...or haughty....

otherwise, we are become as sounding brass....nothing more



flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou



pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:24 PM
You just got done saying that you are positive someones beliefs are false without, what you perceive to be, enough evidence for them to be true. So you just did what YOU claim all religious people do, yet you are not religious. So either A) everything you've said in this thread is false or B) you believe in something that you don't actually 100% believe in and can not back up.


pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:26 PM

Directed to fellow christians:

Let's me kind here.....

and respect each others beliefs.

Love is not arrogant....

or boastful...or haughty....

otherwise, we are become as sounding brass....nothing more



flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou





Hahaha morning i can interpret that like this

Directed at pimpwagn23:

and the rest is the same

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:26 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:26 PM

You just got done saying that you are positive someones beliefs are false without, what you perceive to be, enough evidence for them to be true. So you just did what YOU claim all religious people do, yet you are not religious. So either A) everything you've said in this thread is false or B) you believe in something that you don't actually 100% believe in and can not back up.




I do 100 percent believe in it, using my mind I know what love is, and what love isn't. And the way the religious God acts is NOT love. I don't care how you wanna justify it. It's just not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that.

no photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:31 PM


Directed to fellow christians:

Let's me kind here.....

and respect each others beliefs.

Love is not arrogant....

or boastful...or haughty....

otherwise, we are become as sounding brass....nothing more



flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou





Hahaha morning i can interpret that like this

Directed at pimpwagn23:

and the rest is the same



:wink:

Directed to all christians ... myself included...


:heart::heart::heart:

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:33 PM
You are exactly right. Religion and/or beliefs do not require a rocket scientist. As for the "religious god" if that is what you BELIEVE that is perfectly fine. What I am getting at is do not criticize another belief for everyone is and thinks different.

Kleisto's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:44 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Sun 11/06/11 04:45 PM

You are exactly right. Religion and/or beliefs do not require a rocket scientist. As for the "religious god" if that is what you BELIEVE that is perfectly fine. What I am getting at is do not criticize another belief for everyone is and thinks different.


Yes, but some beliefs are inherently destructive, and I refuse to stand by and let others be terrorized by them. I will not do it.

pimpwagn23's photo
Sun 11/06/11 04:49 PM
You can refuse to let them be "destroyed" by it, however, it is their belief and that will not change (if that is truly what they believe to be true). So you really have no choice in the matter. Carry on believing what you believe and we will do the same.