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"We knew nothing" from Pakistan. Precision targeting of high ranking enemy during a armed conflict is not assassination, it is military action. wrong... obama broke several laws here - murder, invading a foreign country, airspace laws... what if a country came into the US and did the same thing without our governments knowledge? and then brag to the world about it? The obama lies have gotten out of hand and brainwashed you people... now you can't even tell when laws are broken... Tsk tsk Misquotes, selective quotes are used enough to spread crap. What I said was: With a token "We knew nothing" from Pakistan. Precision targeting of high ranking enemy during a armed conflict is not assassination, it is military action. Pakistan was aware of what was happening and of US operations within their borders regarding counter-terror operations. Pakistan has not complain too loudly about the operation because they knew it was coming and aided. My understanding too. I know they did allow the drones in there. |
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Seal Team Six was under orders from their superiors who get their orders from the President to kill Osama. The rumors stated that Osama spent all of his time in a bomb vest. I read that they were ordered to kill Osama when they saw him unless he was completely naked and unarmed.
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Seal Team Six was under orders from their superiors who get their orders from the President to kill Osama. The rumors stated that Osama spent all of his time in a bomb vest. I read that they were ordered to kill Osama when they saw him unless he was completely naked and unarmed. Until such time as those orders become de-classified. We'll never know. Don't hold your breath either. There are still classified orders from WWII. |
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Seal Team Six was under orders from their superiors who get their orders from the President to kill Osama. The rumors stated that Osama spent all of his time in a bomb vest. I read that they were ordered to kill Osama when they saw him unless he was completely naked and unarmed. you read where? |
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Seal Team Six was under orders from their superiors who get their orders from the President to kill Osama. The rumors stated that Osama spent all of his time in a bomb vest. I read that they were ordered to kill Osama when they saw him unless he was completely naked and unarmed. you read where? I honestly don't remember. |
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Fri 07/22/11 03:27 PM
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This is pretty funny... You guys praising "seal team six"
When they scrapped a Chopper!   $$$$$$$$$$$ PS: Souvenirs should NOT commemorate the death of this dude. EDIT* oops I think I killed it.... Damn Canadian eh? |
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Edited by
karmafury
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Fri 07/22/11 03:31 PM
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The operation broke no laws at home or internationally. With a token "We knew nothing" from Pakistan. Precision targeting of high ranking enemy during a armed conflict is not assassination, it is military action. There is no "armed conflict" going on. We are not at war with Pakistan. The so called "war on terror" is a big farce. It is not an "armed conflict." No "armed conflict". hmmmmm k although ........... An armed conflict is a contested incompatibility which concerns government and/or territory where the use of armed force between two parties, of which at least one is the government of a state, results in at least 25 battle-related deaths. The definition has been published in Appendix 2 in our articles in Journal of Peace Research 1993–2009, for instance, in Wallensteen, Peter & Margareta Sollenberg, 2001. ’Armed Conflict 1989–2000’, Journal of Peace Research 38(5): 629–644. The separate elements of the definition are operationalised as follows: (1) Use of armed force: use of arms in order to promote the parties’ general position in the conflict, resulting in deaths. Arms: any material means, e.g. manufactured weapons but also sticks, stones, fire, water, etc. (2) 25 deaths: a minimum of 25 battle-related deaths per year and per incompatibility. (3) Party: a government of a state or any opposition organisation or alliance of opposition organisations. (3.1) Government: the party controlling the capital of the state. (3.2) Opposition organisation: any non-governmental group of people having announced a name for their group and using armed force. (4) State: a state is (4.1) an internationally recognized sovereign government controlling a specified territory, or (4.2) an internationally unrecognised government controlling a specified territory whose sovereignty is not disputed by another internationally recognised sovereign government previously controlling the same territory. (5) Incompatibility concerning government and/or territory the incompatibility, as stated by the parties, must concern government and/or territory. (5.1) Incompatibility: the stated generally incompatible positions. (5.2) Incompatibility concerning government: incompatibility concerning type of political system, the replacement of the central government or the change of its composition. (5.3) Incompatibility concerning territory: incompatibility concerning the status of a territory, e.g. the change of the state in control of a certain territory (interstate conflict), secession or autonomy (intrastate conflict). Definition taken from Uppsala Universitet ...Department of Peace and Conflict Research http://www.pcr.uu.se/research/ucdp/definitions/definition_of_armed_conflict/ Actions by Al Qaeda and counter action seems to fit this definition. This is pretty funny... You guys praising "seal team six" When they scrapped a Chopper! rofl shocked $$$$$$$$$$$ PS: Souvenirs should NOT commemorate the death of this dude. So did Delta in a rescue attempt that got completely Fubar'd. They were still honored for the attempt. Being Canadian does not kill threads. Canadian and proud of it !!!! |
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This is pretty funny... You guys praising "seal team six" When they scrapped a Chopper! $$$$$$$$$$$ PS: Souvenirs should NOT commemorate the death of this dude. EDIT* oops I think I killed it.... Damn Canadian eh? do we only commemmorate our soldiers when they die? (memorial day, memorial walls)? what is so awful or wrong about commemorating soldiers who make it back alive? |
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This is pretty funny... You guys praising "seal team six" When they scrapped a Chopper! $$$$$$$$$$$ PS: Souvenirs should NOT commemorate the death of this dude. EDIT* oops I think I killed it.... Damn Canadian eh? do we only commemmorate our soldiers when they die? (memorial day, memorial walls)? what is so awful or wrong about commemorating soldiers who make it back alive? Fine, if you want to do that, give them medals. But to profit from it by selling cheaply produced commemorative coins for an outrageous price to gullible people is in very bad taste. And even though Bin Laden has been repeatedly blamed for 9-11 there is not enough solid proof to convict him of that. He has been convicted by the media and by propaganda. And to use that type of emotionalism connected with those two horrible events to separate people from their money is .... wrong. But there is a sucker born every moment they always say. |
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Commemorate anyone you wish... But to be fair, perhaps a bit less American hoohaa for the guys who busted down a door or two and pulled the triggers.
And more for logistics, transport maintenance and the helmetcam team? commemorating the death of anyone, brings NO HONOR! |
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commemorating the death of anyone, brings NO HONOR! Amen to that! 
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Pure and simple, Osama bin Laden was a mass murderer who showed NO signs of being anything but for as long as he was able to avoid justice. He was repaid for his deeds in the same currency in which he dealt.
He was NOT part of the leadership of a sovereign nation-- he and his organization was pretty much repudiated by all legitimate governments on the planet, and because of that, his organization has declared war on most of the civilized world. Witness what happened today in Norway-- Al Quida's fingerprints are on that one, too. I don't think his being brought to justice should be celebrated as such, but I think millions of people breathe easier knowing that such people won't always escape punishment for their crimes against humanity. -Kerry O. |
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Commemorate anyone you wish... But to be fair, perhaps a bit less American hoohaa for the guys who busted down a door or two and pulled the triggers. And more for logistics, transport maintenance and the helmetcam team? commemorating the death of anyone, brings NO HONOR! I dont know if it commemorates his death(is his picture on the coin) or the accomplishments of the seal team,,,,, I Take it as commemoration of what the seals were able to accomplish completing their mission safely. |
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"We knew nothing" from Pakistan. Precision targeting of high ranking enemy during a armed conflict is not assassination, it is military action. wrong... obama broke several laws here - murder, invading a foreign country, airspace laws... what if a country came into the US and did the same thing without our governments knowledge? and then brag to the world about it? The obama lies have gotten out of hand and brainwashed you people... now you can't even tell when laws are broken... Tsk tsk Misquotes, selective quotes are used enough to spread crap. What I said was: With a token "We knew nothing" from Pakistan. Precision targeting of high ranking enemy during a armed conflict is not assassination, it is military action. Pakistan was aware of what was happening and of US operations within their borders regarding counter-terror operations. Pakistan has not complain too loudly about the operation because they knew it was coming and aided. then why did we just cut all aid to pakistan? why did they start crying to the UAE about us invading their country? they have been crying about it ever since it happened. they were caught harboring a world fugitive, and Obama illegally sent the seals in their country to kill him.... |
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then why did we just cut all aid to pakistan? why did they start crying to the UAE about us invading their country? they have been crying about it ever since it happened. they were caught harboring a world fugitive, and Obama illegally sent the seals in their country to kill him.... Religion breakdown in Pakistan * Islam o Sunni: 80-95% [3][6][7][8][9] o Shia: 5-20% [3][5][6][7][8][9] o Ahmadi: approximately 2.3% or 4 million [17][18][19] * Other religions o Christians: approx. 1.6% [3] or 2,800,000 people o Hindus: approx. 1.6% [3] or 2,800,000 people o Bahá'ís: 79,000 [20] o Sikhs: 20,000 [9] o Zoroastrian/Parsis: 20,000 o Buddhist: Unknown o Jews: Unknown The state religion is Islam. Seems a good enough reason to complain to UAE that you feel wronged, invaded and had no knowledge of events prior to their happening. Would you seriously expect a Muslim nation NOT to complain publicly !! Welcome to wonderful game of International Politics. A senior U.S. official who briefed reporters at the White House late Sunday said no Pakistani forces were involved in the operation to kill Bin Laden and that Pakistan was not told of the mission beforehand. However, agents with Pakistan's primary intelligence agency were quick to claim some of the credit. A source in the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, described the mission in Abbottabad, about 35 miles north of Islamabad, as a joint operation. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/02/world/la-fg-bin-laden-pakistan-20110502 It's all about the principle of deniability. International Politics 101 This comes out to the same thing as when Iraq was invaded and Canada 'refused' to take part. Yet Canadians assisted with the planning months before it started / continued in front-line strategy planning / used assets already in place to assist / the 2nd IC of American Forces in Iraq was a Canadian / Canadian DND personnel got the US troops and equipment on site / and had personnel boots on the ground in Iraq. Canada was the third largest contributor to US forces Iraq yet we were 'refusing to assist in Iraq' publicly. (The only two nations ahead of Canada ... Great Britain and Australia...neither which denied being part of the Coalition of the Willing) ............ Aid not cut to Pakistan. Restrictions are in place however and not because of any protest to UAE but because of a 'alleged reluctance to combat terrorists. US House panel backs restrictions on Pakistan aid WASHINGTON: The US House Foreign Affairs Committee approved on Friday a bill that would defund a $7.5 billion aid to Pakistan programme if signed into law, dealing a serious blow to already strained relations between the two allies. On Thursday, the committee had rejected an amendment proposed by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican, which sought to block all aid to Pakistan because of its alleged reluctance to combat terrorists. But the narrow, party-based Friday vote – 23 for and 20 against – indicated that the bill would have a hard time clearing the Democrat-dominated Senate, although it might clear the Republican-dominated House where it would go next. All but one Republican members of the committee voted for the suggested restrictions on US aid to Pakistan. All 20 Democrats voted against it. Congressman Ron Paul, the lone Republican dissenter, warned that the US could not afford to isolate Pakistan and that the restrictions would only fan anti-Americans feelings in that “sensitive region” of the world without achieving much. The bill’s mover and the committee’s chairperson Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, however, insisted that Pakistan needed to be told that it would have to speed up the fight against terrorism or face sanctions. “It cannot be business as usual.” Rest of article can be found: http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/23/us-house-panel-backs-restrictions-on-pakistan-aid.html |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Fri 07/22/11 07:09 PM
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then why did we just cut all aid to pakistan? why did they start crying to the UAE about us invading their country? they have been crying about it ever since it happened. they were caught harboring a world fugitive, and Obama illegally sent the seals in their country to kill him.... Religion breakdown in Pakistan * Islam o Sunni: 80-95% [3][6][7][8][9] o Shia: 5-20% [3][5][6][7][8][9] o Ahmadi: approximately 2.3% or 4 million [17][18][19] * Other religions o Christians: approx. 1.6% [3] or 2,800,000 people o Hindus: approx. 1.6% [3] or 2,800,000 people o Bahá'ís: 79,000 [20] o Sikhs: 20,000 [9] o Zoroastrian/Parsis: 20,000 o Buddhist: Unknown o Jews: Unknown The state religion is Islam. Seems a good enough reason to complain to UAE that you feel wronged, invaded and had no knowledge of events prior to their happening. Would you seriously expect a Muslim nation NOT to complain publicly !! Welcome to wonderful game of International Politics. A senior U.S. official who briefed reporters at the White House late Sunday said no Pakistani forces were involved in the operation to kill Bin Laden and that Pakistan was not told of the mission beforehand. However, agents with Pakistan's primary intelligence agency were quick to claim some of the credit. A source in the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, described the mission in Abbottabad, about 35 miles north of Islamabad, as a joint operation. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/02/world/la-fg-bin-laden-pakistan-20110502 It's all about the principle of deniability. International Politics 101 This comes out to the same thing as when Iraq was invaded and Canada 'refused' to take part. Yet Canadians assisted with the planning months before it started / continued in front-line strategy planning / used assets already in place to assist / the 2nd IC of American Forces in Iraq was a Canadian / Canadian DND personnel got the US troops and equipment on site / and had personnel boots on the ground in Iraq. Canada was the third largest contributor to US forces Iraq yet we were 'refusing to assist in Iraq' publicly. (The only two nations ahead of Canada ... Great Britain and Australia...neither which denied being part of the Coalition of the Willing) ............ Aid not cut to Pakistan. Restrictions are in place however and not because of any protest to UAE but because of a 'alleged reluctance to combat terrorists. US House panel backs restrictions on Pakistan aid WASHINGTON: The US House Foreign Affairs Committee approved on Friday a bill that would defund a $7.5 billion aid to Pakistan programme if signed into law, dealing a serious blow to already strained relations between the two allies. On Thursday, the committee had rejected an amendment proposed by Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican, which sought to block all aid to Pakistan because of its alleged reluctance to combat terrorists. But the narrow, party-based Friday vote – 23 for and 20 against – indicated that the bill would have a hard time clearing the Democrat-dominated Senate, although it might clear the Republican-dominated House where it would go next. All but one Republican members of the committee voted for the suggested restrictions on US aid to Pakistan. All 20 Democrats voted against it. Congressman Ron Paul, the lone Republican dissenter, warned that the US could not afford to isolate Pakistan and that the restrictions would only fan anti-Americans feelings in that “sensitive region” of the world without achieving much. The bill’s mover and the committee’s chairperson Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, however, insisted that Pakistan needed to be told that it would have to speed up the fight against terrorism or face sanctions. “It cannot be business as usual.” Rest of article can be found: http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/23/us-house-panel-backs-restrictions-on-pakistan-aid.html yea, it seemed like it was all politically motivated to make Pakistan bend over and take it, for __X__ reason. but all that aside, it is illegal to send a military unit into another country and kill someone, There is also his bodyguards, kids and wives that were shot and killed, too... take the body and dump it at sea...Then, cheer and brag when it's done? does that sound very legal to you? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 07/22/11 07:26 PM
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Pure and simple, Osama bin Laden was a mass murderer who showed NO signs of being anything but for as long as he was able to avoid justice. He was repaid for his deeds in the same currency in which he dealt. He was NOT part of the leadership of a sovereign nation-- he and his organization was pretty much repudiated by all legitimate governments on the planet, and because of that, his organization has declared war on most of the civilized world. Witness what happened today in Norway-- Al Quida's fingerprints are on that one, too. I don't think his being brought to justice should be celebrated as such, but I think millions of people breathe easier knowing that such people won't always escape punishment for their crimes against humanity. -Kerry O.  Fingerprints? Bull crap. Al-Qaeda is a just a name made up by the powers that create propaganda. It is not an organization of international terrorists. It's just the new "boogie man" that they want us to be afraid of. Just because someone said that they "suspect Al-Qaeda" that means jack. They always suspect Al-Qaeda. That, after all, is the current popular "boogie man" that gets all the press. Where are the ties? Where are the so-called finger prints? The person they arrested in Norway was from Britain. Who you happen to believe Osama bin Laden was is not the point. The point is, to sanction and condone assassinations of suspects regardless who they may be is not a deed of "the good guys." The selling of a commemorative coin honoring the killers/heroes/assassins is really bad taste. Who ever is running this show is criminally insane. That would be our leaders. Criminally insane and in very bad taste. Immoral. Illegal. Insane. WRONG. |
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Its hard to know what goes on in the world. There are so many lies and so much propaganda. I still feel that I can tell right action from wrong action. I don't soft soap wrong actions like assassinations to ease my conscience. I am an American. I want America to be the good guys. I'm not seeing that. Its very sad. It is easy to tell that 2740 some odd Americans were killed on 911 by Al-Qaida radical Islamic terrorists. There is no propaganda which can camouflage it. Same with the Bali bombings, Hamas bus bombings, London and Madrid attacks etc. etc. Plain as the nose on your face. America makes mistakes sometimes but we are still the good guys. And the evidence is indeed obvious. May our struggle for what is right - freedom - and religious tolerance - and representative government and human rights be wildly successful and be a guide to all nations to the righteous path! May we always have the courage to stand against the real tyrants of the world - those like Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadinejhad, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Nasrallah, Qaddafi and all their nasty ilk. |
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Al-Qaida DOES NOT EXIST.
It's a made up entity, not an organization. It's propaganda. |
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commemorating the death of anyone, brings NO HONOR! Amen to that! WORD!!! |
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