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Full article found at:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/12-4 Published on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 by RH Reality Check
New Hampshire Defunds Planned Parenthood, Leaving Thousands Without Primary Care by Jodi Jacobson, RH Reality Check In New Hampshire, a group of "executive councilors," elected officials who approve contracts and gubernatorial appointments as a check on the governor's power, voted two weeks ago against renewing a contract that would have provided Planned Parenthood of New Hampshire with $1.8 million in state and federal money for the next two years starting this month.This was a routine contract in place for about 30 years. Some pointed to abortion services that Planned Parenthood provides as the reason for their 'no' votes, though evidence suggests a much deeper agenda. As a result, six Planned Parenthood centers in New Hampshire have now stopped dispensing contraception last week. Last year, according to Steve Trombley, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Northern New Englan, Planned Parenthood provided contraception for 13,242 patients in New Hampshire, while also providing 6,112 breast exams, 5,548 screenings for cervical cancer and 18,858 tests for sexually transmitted infections. So let's review the situation: A public health service that provides basic primary public health care services to people who otherwise can not afford them, enabling those people to stay healthy, get treatment when needed, and to plan their families, has been defunded. Eliminating these services will cost the state of New Hampshire untold amounts of money in curative health care and in unwanted and untenable pregnancies, and will abrogate women's rights to basic health care. And the decision was made... why? Ostensibly because of opposition to abortion. But a comment made by one of the councilors makes clear the real agenda: limiting women's ability to gain access to contraception in the first place and making women "pay" for having sex. Executive Councilor Raymond Wieczorek of Manchester, said he had asked if the contract could exclude the issuance of condoms. Wieczorek said he supports paying to test for sexually transmitted diseases but does not believe the state should subsidize contraception. "If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?" he said. Mr. Executive Councilor must have a really big grudge and a lot of hate because the emotion seems to be blindsiding whatever sensibility he should have. Yes the women will pay – the men probably will not. But overall, society will pay a greater price when the poor can no longer afford health screenings and STD’s run out of control because we all know that we WILL NOT stop people from having sex. Society will pay when unwanted children are born into poverty because their mothers did not have access to affordable birth control. Being born in poverty carries a great amount of risk and a far larger percentage of those children will suffer from various maladies that are the risk of their mother’s poverty, once again society will pay. Finally, society will pay in long run as these unwanted children forced into poverty become delinquent teenagers and violent adults and good people who simply cannot rise above the poverty and thus continue it into the next generation. It seems to make no difference if those in power have a higher education or not because most of them seem to have missed the classes in which critical thinking was a requirement. So what’s your opinion about allowing Planned Parenthood to flounder? |
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That is one organization that has helped more than harmed and it makes no sense to do away with it! Teen Pregnancy is a real problem and this whole abstinence and prohibition doesn't do anything to curb the problem. This is a ULTRA CONSERVATIVE republican Dick Move!
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/12/11 03:52 PM
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who do we help? who can we afford to help? these are not easy decisions to make
most cuts hurt SOMEBODY somehow, but when cuts need to be made, they need to be made so do we cut healthcare, by reducing medicare benefits? do we cut unemployment assistance, by reducing time limits and funding do we cut food stamps and aid to families, do we cut education, by reducing government salaries do we cut planned parenthood, by getting out of the business of contraception? all these areas could potentially be argued as responsibilities that citizens themself should get back to being responsible for,,,, I dont envy the ones who have to decide such things, cause whatever they decide is going to make somebody somewhere feel targeted and unhappy,,, |
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i'm not sure i disagree with this or not... but it does seem PP has gotten away from what it was designed for, to educate children about not having sex... now they seem to promote it more than anything, as any business does. I think it was a great idea when it started, but giving up and saying they can't stop teen sex, so help them have is out of line...
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Edited by
InvictusV
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Tue 07/12/11 04:15 PM
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate.
I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. Planned Parenthood provides many more services than abortion, though, to people who normally would not be able to afford those services. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 07/12/11 04:23 PM
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its one of many things we are 'privileged' to have but not 'entitled' to have
I am glad we have the privileges we do because I think its good for us as a culture to care about helping each other,,,, but , when budgets are tight, I can understand priviliges being cut,,,, |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. Planned Parenthood provides many more services than abortion, though, to people who normally would not be able to afford those services. I'm not saying they don't. And I really don't care that they offer abortion services. My issue is with them putting a eugenics loving social darwinist on a pedestal and pretending she wasn't. |
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I am thinking many people here, everywhere for that matter will not have any problems with cuts to planned parenthood.
I am also thinking most DO NOT know the services provided other than abortions, which is only 3% of P P's activities. First off, those abortions are not paid for by the government funding that PP receives(d.) They NEVER have been. Other services include cancer screening and prevention, STD testing for men and women, contraception and other health issues for men and women. Somewhere around 75% of the men and women who use PP services are WAY below the poverty line. These people have no where else to go. PP has helped in the prevention of some 600,000 unwanted pregnancies. NOT all by abortion..contraception and education!!! 600,000....That is A LOT of pissed off kids running the streets of the ghetto!!!!! PP has been doing good things and helping the bottom of our society (not my personal feelings) that can not, in many cases help themselves. I think the long term effects, of cutting these services to the very poor, will come back and bite us with a vengeance. Also is a loud and clear statement of what is NOT important to most people in our world today...our fellow humans! |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. Planned Parenthood provides many more services than abortion, though, to people who normally would not be able to afford those services. I'm not saying they don't. And I really don't care that they offer abortion services. My issue is with them putting a eugenics loving social darwinist on a pedestal and pretending she wasn't. Ok, I agree with you there. But, since it's become much more than abortions, I think Planned Parenthood is a good thing. I'd hate to see these services not provided to people who need them. |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. Planned Parenthood provides many more services than abortion, though, to people who normally would not be able to afford those services. I'm not saying they don't. And I really don't care that they offer abortion services. My issue is with them putting a eugenics loving social darwinist on a pedestal and pretending she wasn't. You banter around the word eugenics without ever explaining how you think PP is following such a plan. From your postings we can't even be sure you know what the word 'eugenics' means. Perhaps you have some information about PP that we don't know so please, fill us in and explain why you think PP is wrapped up in eugenics. Thanks |
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I am thinking many people here, everywhere for that matter will not have any problems with cuts to planned parenthood. I am also thinking most DO NOT know the services provided other than abortions, which is only 3% of P P's activities. First off, those abortions are not paid for by the government funding that PP receives(d.) They NEVER have been. Other services include cancer screening and prevention, STD testing for men and women, contraception and other health issues for men and women. Somewhere around 75% of the men and women who use PP services are WAY below the poverty line. These people have no where else to go. PP has helped in the prevention of some 600,000 unwanted pregnancies. NOT all by abortion..contraception and education!!! 600,000....That is A LOT of pissed off kids running the streets of the ghetto!!!!! PP has been doing good things and helping the bottom of our society (not my personal feelings) that can not, in many cases help themselves. I think the long term effects, of cutting these services to the very poor, will come back and bite us with a vengeance. Also is a loud and clear statement of what is NOT important to most people in our world today...our fellow humans! Nice post Ladylid and you didn't even need to read the whole article to know all that. Some people have the article put under their nose and still can't absorb the information it provides. Sadly, I doubt your words will be absorbed any better by some. |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. Planned Parenthood provides many more services than abortion, though, to people who normally would not be able to afford those services. I'm not saying they don't. And I really don't care that they offer abortion services. My issue is with them putting a eugenics loving social darwinist on a pedestal and pretending she wasn't. Ok, I agree with you there. But, since it's become much more than abortions, I think Planned Parenthood is a good thing. I'd hate to see these services not provided to people who need them. Sometimes to rise above a challenging life, people need a hand up. Myself included, I have known dozens of women who have benefited from PP being there. Two were college students living on a shoestring budget, both graduated and are now making a good living. Two of my friends are cancer survivers thanks to PP and both now have families of their own and they participate in cancer awareness programs and donate to PP. To my knowledge none of my friends had abortions, but that is none of my business anyway, and it's such a difficult and personal decision to arrive at that no one should have the right to make that decision more difficult for any woman. |
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I am thinking many people here, everywhere for that matter will not have any problems with cuts to planned parenthood. I am also thinking most DO NOT know the services provided other than abortions, which is only 3% of P P's activities. First off, those abortions are not paid for by the government funding that PP receives(d.) They NEVER have been. Other services include cancer screening and prevention, STD testing for men and women, contraception and other health issues for men and women. Somewhere around 75% of the men and women who use PP services are WAY below the poverty line. These people have no where else to go. PP has helped in the prevention of some 600,000 unwanted pregnancies. NOT all by abortion..contraception and education!!! 600,000....That is A LOT of pissed off kids running the streets of the ghetto!!!!! PP has been doing good things and helping the bottom of our society (not my personal feelings) that can not, in many cases help themselves. I think the long term effects, of cutting these services to the very poor, will come back and bite us with a vengeance. Also is a loud and clear statement of what is NOT important to most people in our world today...our fellow humans! Nice post Ladylid and you didn't even need to read the whole article to know all that. Some people have the article put under their nose and still can't absorb the information it provides. Sadly, I doubt your words will be absorbed any better by some. I didn't read the article, didn't need to. This is a topic I have been following all along and have been greatly concerned about, and disgusted by once again by the lack of compassion. |
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1.8 mill over 24 months =
75000/mo |
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someting needs defunding, actually alot of things, if we're to get out of this economic morass we find ourselves in.
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someting needs defunding, actually alot of things, if we're to get out of this economic morass we find ourselves in. probably lots of things need to be cut a little so that we dont end up cutting a few things alot,, |
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Organizations like PP were designed to offer free abortion services to the undesirables that the progressive elite wanted to eradicate. I find it despicable that PP offers a Margaret Sanger award. She is one of the most vile eugenics loving progressives the early 20th century produced. If people are cool with them continuing her legacy under the guise of women's reproductive rights then so be it. You took the words out of my mouth. 50% of black babies conceived in this country are aborted. Only a racist could look at that number, ignore that it and still support Planned Parenthood. |
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My god how ignorant I see some people being. First of all Population control is part of what they do. I know women who got birth control through them and never had to resort to abortions. Likewise they are about STD prevention. Besides, it was the Democratic committees that were funding abortions in Africa as part of their foreign aid programs.
So some of you want to do away with an organization that does help more than harm? Well how many of you want to encourage a return of Dr. Coat Hangar? I am curious to see what your answers to the dilemma of not having a service like this available? We just keep popping out unwanted pregnancies? And we point a finger and say "Look at how many black babies they kill!" Lets all jump the racism bandwagon again! In Redding most of the women visiting there were and are WHITE! I knew two people up there that worked in Planned Parenthood. Real constructive criticism here!  Not!
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Here is what's funny. I had recently gone to the store to purchase some condoms. I could not find them anywhere within the store. So I go to the pharmacy to ask where to find them. They had recently moved them near the counter and locked up. I was surprised for this recent move, and expressed this to the clerk. She says that they were being stolen too many times, so it was what was needed to happen. I explained that if ANYTHING was to be stolen from a store, wouldn't this be the one item to be less critical over? If anything, these people who are immature enough to steal condoms are probably also immature enough to not use one if not accessible.
Now, please do not get me wrong. I do not condone stealing ONE BIT. However, there are far too many other things that do not have security tags, nor locked up that are just as small, and cost just as much as condoms. I just would have these ***** steal the condoms if it may prevent another unwanted child into this world to where I may have to pay for out of my taxes. Yes, this (condoms) is just a smidgen of what they in the article are referring to. However, I feel it still serves within the same principle of what people are willing to do (or not do in this matter) to still have sex with or without the proper protection or care afterwards. Now, here is a question.... What would be cheaper for the state? Abortions or the morning after pill? Just a thought. Perhaps if the morning after pill was more accessible and cheaper, women may use this to prevent abortions if abortions are what is the main focus within the state's minds. Just a thought. - Josh |
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