Reform welfare, so that it's not a superior alternative to marriage and it's not desirable to have multiple children.


,,its been reformed,,,only unstable people or people who have no experience with welfare would consider it 'superior' to ANYTHING,,,

teaching abstinence isn't cutting it now is it?
there was a time when ONLY abstinence was an option, that's when we had the back room butchers.
don't get me wrong...i didn't abort my boys, i love my boys, i raised them and can't think of anything better than being their mom.
all don't feel that way

kids born into poverty with a parent who never wanted them barely have a shot at any kind of happiness.

if you look at the numbers of inmates..it's staggering how many are from single parent homes and have very little education.
these are just facts when born into that environment

i wish i could take all the unwanted babies and love them...i can not and neither can you

to say just don't kill them, great..but just saying balance, abstinence.. these options alone just aren't working.

we live in a ****ed up world and children ALWAYS pay the price.
somethings are worse than death

balance isnt working? Balance isnt being attempted....

I mentioned nothing about abstinence ONLY, or ending abortion

all of these are also EXTREMES, and our current culture has an OVERABUNDANCE of support and promotion of teen sex and a deficiency of messages about the potential concequences or how to prevent them or of all the other options teens have to look forward to besides sex,,,,


kids see all day how great and 'natural' sex is, they here it in the news, see it in their media, even their television shows (like glee which was supposedly about outcast teens, who are even apparently having rampant sex with each other) glamourize sex as merely some fun, popular, 'natural' activity

there is far too little emphasis placed on the reality of how big a responsibility sex is,, there needs to be much more out there showing that reality , in the media, in the schools, and in the homes

,, besides just the 'they are gonna do it anyway, so lets just protect them'

,...thats a copout in my opinion

Welfare Pays Better Than Work, Study Finds

The simple fact is that if you know how to game the system, you can do very well on welfare. Many people who don't know about obscure programs or don't file the paperwork right or who are just unlucky don't do so well. We could reform the welfare system, so that it worked better and actually was a "safety net" rather than a way of life.

this article is from 1995, welfare reform was initiated in 1996


it is now 2011,, Id love to see more recent 'studies'

I am having experience with welfare, and its not superior to anything,,,,nor does it come close to what a 36000 income or even an 11000 income would,,,

ya know what...as I've said
you step up and feed these children if it bothers you so ****ing bad

it's easy to sit here and say what you think should be done, point fingers, go into a righteous mode and talk of right and wrong

bottom line is SEX is still happening no matter what, who, where, when it's being taught

as i said...600,000 unwanted pregnancies..(NOT abortions)prevented by pp's services through EDUCATION and contraception.
Some of us un religious, DO care and DO teach

I could say the same..your ideas are a cop out. you only have a religious agenda and don't really care about the people involved...

Your 'balance' is a bit off with 'kids these days'
statement ms. harmony
NOT ALL kids think that way, NOT ALL kids are casual about sex.
NOT ALL parents hand their kid a condom and say have fun!

In a perfect world ALL parents would step up and teach their children...we don't live in a perfect world. So facilities like PP have had to stand in for irresponsible parenting.

Sitting on the sidelines judging serves nothing and no one!

sitting on the sidelines with no solutions doesnt help either


I have no religious agenda,, wth

I have said nothing against PP...

its like arguing that we should just accept crime and build more jails because criminals are gonna keep breaking laws

,,yeah, no kidding, but how much do we do to decrease some of those trends that can so often LEAD to criminal activity, as opposed to just throwing money into the punishment and containment of criminals

likewise with unwanted pregnancies, yes they will happen, yes people will have sex (most unwanted pregnancies arent teens either, but thats another issue) ,,,so we got that out the way

but how much do we do to decrease some of the social trends and ideas that so often LEAD to unwanted pregnancies, as opposed to just throwing money in to dealing with terminating them or caring for them once they are here

IM talking about ideas to help decrease the occurrence of these children who need to be fed and again I am met with only the view of what to do with the children AFTER they are here

great, I will, and do, participate in charity to help feed those children too, but what is so offensive or threatening or judgmental about proposing that we do more to at least ATTEMPT to decrease the occurence of those situations in the first place

its not always religions fault, parents often care about children whether they are religious or not and it gets old to hear religion blamed for any view thats held contrary to the cultural views of the time ( throwing money and funds at controlling problems instead of putting some into preventing them from happening so much)

its an elephant in the room and we need to start having ideas (ie, judgments) about how to start doing MORE about it,,

ms harmony...
planned parenthood has been a pet project of mine for many years.
i am involved in ways you couldn't even imagine.
i rarely sit on the sidelines when i am passionate about a issue.
i happen to know the numbers involved here and i think you could learn more before you judge
i look for the elephants

go ahead, i know last word is important to you...

lol, no , in a conversation its important to me NOT to respond,,lol

anyhow,,, I have nothing against planned parenthood

I am not JUDGING

I am suggesting a BALANCE of information to possibly counter all the suggestion and information which GLAMOURIZES sex as a mere activity with no consequence or responsibility,,,

ESPECIALLY where it concerns our kids, who are much more impressionable to such cultural and media stereotypes/images/suggestions,,,

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Robert_Rector_Testimony.pdf

Nice ad-hominem. You are of course, above such petty things.

means tested spending is more than just welfare recipients, so IM not sure how this indicates being on welfare 'pays better'

Regardless of how much welfare recipients are paid, those 69 different programs and all of their employees should be cut. There should be one program that offers enough cash to keep people at 200% of poverty. That would be a lot more efficient and it would give people a starting point from which to grow. It would also allow recipients to keep some dignity instead of having to pay with foodstamps or WIC or live in the projects.

Oh how I LOVE hoe people wave biased statistics around as an answer. Metropolitan New York, You are so funny! Guess what, the area you mentioned is LARGELY populated by black people so YES WHITES WOULD BE A MINORITY THERE! How about GLOBAL statistics across the nation? The problem is where populations and religious affiliations play into this. Catholics which Hispanics are largely, don't let their daughters get abortions. Most blacks are not catholic. There are factors that bias these statistics they DON'T take into account.

And this whole "They are Killing Fetuses," get over yourself! So what? One crime is not worst than another? ACORN was promoting Prostitution. Don't you think that MAY HAVE INFLAMED THE SITUATION AND SENT A LOT OF BLACK WOMEN TO PLANNED PARENT HOOD BECAUSE THEY WERE WHORING THEMSELVES OUT THANKS TO ACORN'S INSTIGATION? ACORN was teaching blacks and Hispanics how to work the system and be a criminal at the same time.

I do not place such a high premium on human life to think every unborn child is sacred. God get over yourselves! You can make Birth Control accessible but can you get people to use it? Personally I despise rubbers but hey, safer than sorry! Oh but we got Catholic priests running around telling people 'Birth Control is Bad, MkAY!' So what now? try to infringe on a woman's right to choose? Force them to endure unwanted pregnancy? Real sensitive!


NOT!

The study covered an area of 8,391,881 people. Only 1,954,038 were black. That's not the majority. Whites were the majority at 2,985,702.



It's not a right, it's a *want*. In fact, it's a violation of the declaration of Independence, which says we are all created with inalienable rights of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Abortion takes away all of those rights from the unborn child.



If they didn't want it, there are plenty of birth control methods they could use.

I understand and can partly agree with this,, the issue becomes not all programs serve the same needs and not all needs programs should have the same financial base

for instance, there is housing now available for those who cannot afford it otherwise,,,sometimes this is done through loans which are provided by the banks but INSURED by the government

sometimes this is done through subsidized housing which is government subsidized,


people who have special medical needs are going to need a different type of financial support then people who merely have difficulty paying for shelter who have something different than those who have difficulty affording food,,,,etc,,,


when it comes to our needs, there just isnt a one size fits all program that will cover all situations,,

Hopefully men wear condoms in New Hampshire or there will be hell to pay.

As to planned parenthood, it helps so many low income women with all kinds of issues I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to believe it is not beneficial.

That I can so agree with you on!

And again you failed to see the cultural forces working against this argument like religion (as a racial demographic). Hispanics will rarely abort if they are Catholic. White children are not raised in the same culture as many blacks. And many blacks over the years have been taught dependence on the government which also has been proven! It has been something so many black civil rights leaders have been fighting with their own kind over!



It's not a right, it's a *want*. In fact, it's a violation of the declaration of Independence, which says we are all created with inalienable rights of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Abortion takes away all of those rights from the unborn child.



Again you are trying to use that "All unborn life is sacred argument" here and I am not buying that! And also you are forcing your ideals on others in this manner! If the child is born and not a genetic reject (retarded, deformed significantly, rare and often fatal birth defects) then at that point that child has a right to live. But until that bun falls out of the oven it is NOTHING to me. And I know a LOT of others who feel the way I do both men and women.



If they didn't want it, there are plenty of birth control methods they could use.


And condoms can fail as can any there form of birth control. I had a former GF on the pill and I was wearing a jacket and she still managed to get pregnant on accident and she pulled the plug. I didn't blame her at all because both of us were not ready for child rearing. You are preaching religious motivated nonsense here. And I likewise don't buy that whole act of god. One of my friends is involved with a girl who was not able to get pregnant but she manged to get pregnant and she carried through with it because she knew she may not ever have another chance and both he and she talked about the implications. They are NOT married and perfectly happy! But they both went into child rearing knowingly even though the pregnancy was an accident and medically not supposed to happen.

Again you are imposing your will on others vicariously and that is totally unfair especially trying to justify your argument using the constitution.

So you think that a mentally retarded newborn doesn't have the right to live? Am I reading that right or did you mistype that?