I grew up on a second hand existence and watched a black and white TV all the way to 1974 and the color TV that replaced it when I was ten was a hand me down from some friends who cot a newer color TV. I generalize? I have seen real poverty. A lot of what the media pushes in our faces as the poor are not really the poor.

I feel... cheated? No, I feel ripped off and lied too! We are run by hypocrites and many of the poor out there are taught by the system to work the system to get their income from the system. Far too many people have gone on Unemployment and rode it to the end because they felt they needed and extended vacation. My father was just like that. On top of that I have witnessed sop many others doing it and citing that reason why. "I do it because I can." In some of the worst neighborhoods out here I can find high end BMWs, Benzes, Land Rovers. Fools be busting lots of bling. Hoes be fronting one another over who spends more on their doo and their nails. And oh how so many of them are brand whores! Yes, so many of these people are really poor! When I was growing up we DID use cable spools for tables. I built many a model on one. I grew up being the ultimate recycler. So again you want to compare MY life experiences?




Stick you head in a bucket of ice water and shake out some of the hate you have inside it. Now look at drug and alcohol use from the perspective of growing up in a generationally poor family in the inner-city. I don't think welfare adds to drug and alcohol abuse, it's already being abused, remember, crack houses, meth labs, people living under stressful conditions every day of their life.

NOW to apply all this to the OP; defunding planned parenthood.

Someone (may have been you) suggested that the problem is education. Yes it is but there must be an all out push in this country to end that and we are nowhere near that kind of push. Even if we were and a plan was laid out - it would be a few generations before there was evident progress. It's not happening because of the kind of thinking that you have in the post I am addressing.

(I really believe you are smarter than that and I hope the problem is just a lack of real knowledge and personal experience.)

At any rate, planned parenthood has been a step in the right direction. We are sexual beings - and that must be obvious to anyone who can understand that our sex drive is the way we assure that there will be more humans.

Planned parenthood does not judge, they do not decide who gets welfare. They help individuals find alternative means of medical advice when they can't afford to pay full price. PP saves lives and they help to make life better for families who might otherwise end up on welfare should they bring another baby into thier life.

We have no right to try and judge the circumstances of every person's PP visit nor do we have a right to judge the decision of a woman in her own health care.

I consider abortion a healthcare issue for a woman becasue only that woman knows the reasons behind her dicission to choose abortion.

Privacy laws being what they are in this country, abortions should ALWAYS be only an anonymous statistic unless the individual chooses to share her decision with others. Having shared that information should never make it self-incrimination of a crime. It is a hearlth care issue.



I am not comparing Planned Parenthood to drug addiction. I actually support the presence of Planned Parenthood so you need to wake up.

My Mom's BF after she divorced my father wound up becoming a paid councilor for NA and AA. My later HS years thanks to my looser father screwing me out of every opportunity to advance myself possible I got sucked into life on the street. I knew and know many addicts and alcoholics. I have seen both ends of the spectrum of their life and what it takes to get someone to recover and recovery begin with them actually taking responsibility for themselves. Sympathy only makes addiction worst. Planned Parenthood prevents women from giving birth to drug addled and genetically flawed children thanks to their addiction. DO NOT EXPECT ME TO SHOW ANY SYMPATHY FOR ANY ALCOHOLIC OR DRUG ADDICT! I have no sympathy as does anyone who knows anything about the problem. There is at least one member here I can think of but not by name who did do what she needed to recover herself and did and the whole thing is she admits what she faces! That is a person I can respect but I am not about to sympathize at all over.

Several surveys over the years including a couple of Liberal groups looked into the world of the hard core welfare addict and found out they had no intent or desire to redeem themselves. All they wanted was their check, and their next fix. the actual lifestyle is different for crack, meth, and smack but the behaviors are the same.

Addicts will ALWAYS look for a free ride and ride it as long as they can until they have to find a new way of getting what they want. that is why the reception of benefits should come with a drug test including Planned parenthood so some of these addicts can be identified and dealt with appropriately. Even if they do perform the abortion they got to make the process as pressurized as they can to get people to straighten up. it isn't about God or Jesus or revivals. it is about getting people to either pull their heads out of their azzes or letting them flounder until they kill themselves.

My step brother died from Meth. I think Meth contributed to another friend of mine recently too. I don't HATE the addict. I hate the addiction. Meth DOES have medicinal uses under strict controls. I can't hate the drug itself. But I can hate the bathtub brewers!

And this is how to deal with them!



Toasty!











For someone who claims to have been there, there is not much empathy what-so-ever, not even understanding. That tells me that you think EVERYONE can rise above their poverty to any status they work hard enough for.

Some poeple harbor a lot a rage and hate and unfortunately they aim it toward those who had nothing to do with the cause the negative feelings being harbored. This appears no less a form of fundamentalism than what is often assigned to some religious groups.

there is indeed a legal basis. the fifth and fourteenth amendments.

the court determines legal basis not me and not you.

First, Roe v Wade noted that no child who was "viable" (viable being described as 24 weeks) should ever be aborted, but partial birth abortions are still performed. In some states (like Illinois), if an abortion causes mother to go into labor, the new-born child will be taken and placed in a cold room until it dies.

i agree that it's an immoral decision for a woman to make but the court set up the timester system allowing states to pass laws within those restrictions.



not so. the tenth amendment did not prohibit the court's ruling.



when it's the supreme court an ex justice said it best. 'we are not final because we are infalible, we are infalible becouse we are final'.

The Federal Government ONLY has the authority to do those things which are outlined in the Constitution. Any authority not explicitly given to the Federal government by the Constitution or an Amendment belongs to the states according to the 10th Amendment.



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Justice Jackson was lamenting the fact that the Supreme Court sometimes makes very bad rulings and people have no recourse for Justice. The fact that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Roe, doesn't mean Roe v Wade was a just or good ruling.

That's not true. The Constitution only limits the power of Government. It does not enable the power of Government. The nonsense about the 19 enumerated powers has become a cause celebre for the right wing, but it is just that. Nonsense.

I am not comparing Planned Parenthood to drug addiction. I actually support the presence of Planned Parenthood so you need to wake up.

My Mom's BF after she divorced my father wound up becoming a paid councilor for NA and AA. My later HS years thanks to my looser father screwing me out of every opportunity to advance myself possible I got sucked into life on the street. I knew and know many addicts and alcoholics. I have seen both ends of the spectrum of their life and what it takes to get someone to recover and recovery begin with them actually taking responsibility for themselves. Sympathy only makes addiction worst. Planned Parenthood prevents women from giving birth to drug addled and genetically flawed children thanks to their addiction. DO NOT EXPECT ME TO SHOW ANY SYMPATHY FOR ANY ALCOHOLIC OR DRUG ADDICT! I have no sympathy as does anyone who knows anything about the problem. There is at least one member here I can think of but not by name who did do what she needed to recover herself and did and the whole thing is she admits what she faces! That is a person I can respect but I am not about to sympathize at all over.

Several surveys over the years including a couple of Liberal groups looked into the world of the hard core welfare addict and found out they had no intent or desire to redeem themselves. All they wanted was their check, and their next fix. the actual lifestyle is different for crack, meth, and smack but the behaviors are the same.

Addicts will ALWAYS look for a free ride and ride it as long as they can until they have to find a new way of getting what they want. that is why the reception of benefits should come with a drug test including Planned parenthood so some of these addicts can be identified and dealt with appropriately. Even if they do perform the abortion they got to make the process as pressurized as they can to get people to straighten up. it isn't about God or Jesus or revivals. it is about getting people to either pull their heads out of their azzes or letting them flounder until they kill themselves.

My step brother died from Meth. I think Meth contributed to another friend of mine recently too. I don't HATE the addict. I hate the addiction. Meth DOES have medicinal uses under strict controls. I can't hate the drug itself. But I can hate the bathtub brewers!

And this is how to deal with them!



Toasty!











For someone who claims to have been there, there is not much empathy what-so-ever, not even understanding. That tells me that you think EVERYONE can rise above their poverty to any status they work hard enough for.

Some poeple harbor a lot a rage and hate and unfortunately they aim it toward those who had nothing to do with the cause the negative feelings being harbored. This appears no less a form of fundamentalism than what is often assigned to some religious groups.




NO SYMPATHY ONLY MAKES THE PROBLEM WORST! LOOK UP CODEPENDENCY BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF LIKE THIS! Even "poor" people thrive no Codependency! Sympathy is what is making things financially worst. Help is one thing, support is another.

On top of that I have had NO SYMPATHY extended to me for my situation over the years. I grew up in a failed system left to rot in the hands of my father's own emotional troubles. I was fed drugs BY THE SYSTEM to cover up the emotional and psychological damage my father was doing to me. No one was there for me when my father constantly threatened to kill me and no one was there when he was beating on me, abusing me, and stealing from me. Yes MY OWN FATHER STOLE FROM ME AND MY BROTHER! AND NOT ONE PERSON CAME TO THE RESCUE! I lived a nightmare and I had and have so Sympathy shown to me over it. I just get told to get over myself. I have been forced to fend for myself since I was 12. So you want sympathy from me?

Three words: Get over yourself!

People who live in the Poor Complex suck! People who struggle with poverty are not the ones I got an issue with. All I hear from them are excuses and blame for the other guy! All I see is jealousy.

And I am supposed to sympathize with that?

That is absolutely untrue. It's a leftist claim, which is easily refuted with the Constitution and writing by the founding fathers. Read the 10th Amendment for starts. I should get paid for all the time I spend educating people in these forums...

Redy just doesn't understand the proposals I'm talking about. They send you actual cash, not store vouchers. That's just a really pathetic attempt to poke holes into the very best systems of public support that have ever been designed.

For someone who claims to have been there, there is not much empathy what-so-ever, not even understanding. That tells me that you think EVERYONE can rise above their poverty to any status they work hard enough for.

Some poeple harbor a lot a rage and hate and unfortunately they aim it toward those who had nothing to do with the cause the negative feelings being harbored. This appears no less a form of fundamentalism than what is often assigned to some religious groups.




NO SYMPATHY ONLY MAKES THE PROBLEM WORST! LOOK UP CODEPENDENCY BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF LIKE THIS! Even "poor" people thrive no Codependency! Sympathy is what is making things financially worst. Help is one thing, support is another.

On top of that I have had NO SYMPATHY extended to me for my situation over the years. I grew up in a failed system left to rot in the hands of my father's own emotional troubles. I was fed drugs BY THE SYSTEM to cover up the emotional and psychological damage my father was doing to me. No one was there for me when my father constantly threatened to kill me and no one was there when he was beating on me, abusing me, and stealing from me. Yes MY OWN FATHER STOLE FROM ME AND MY BROTHER! AND NOT ONE PERSON CAME TO THE RESCUE! I lived a nightmare and I had and have so Sympathy shown to me over it. I just get told to get over myself. I have been forced to fend for myself since I was 12. So you want sympathy from me?

Three words: Get over yourself!

People who live in the Poor Complex suck! People who struggle with poverty are not the ones I got an issue with. All I hear from them are excuses and blame for the other guy! All I see is jealousy.

And I am supposed to sympathize with that?


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Aw, so now we see where it comes from...taking it out on the world....

It is not sympathy that is needed, it is empathy.

Codependency is more problems then the showing of sympathy anyways so that isn't a good explanation.

As to feeling bad for addicts, it is no crime to feel bad for them, it is actually humane to feel bad for them but the secret is not to do anything for them that will enable them to use off of you.

Just because you felt abused doesn't mean that you have to do the same to others, you know.

Welfare isn't the problem at any level in this country. It is a temporary help program that has a life time limit of five years so it cannot be a lifestyle. Nor can it contribute to the societal ills we have in this country.

The reason drugs are a problem in this country is because we are taught from a young age that a pill or medicine will fix any ill. Also the attitude that getting high is a good thing to do in life.

All addicts are self medicating from some pain or pains in their life from before they started using. It is a cycle that causes them more and more pain along the way.

They have to fix themselves, no one can do it for them but it is not a reason to be mean.

no argument there. the federal court acted within it's authority.



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never said it was. said it was the ruling and i think justice jackson would agree that the ruling is final, unless and until the court reverses itself or an amendment is ratified that would negate roe as the reconstruction amendments negated dred scott.

everytime the supremes rule people will spew garbage such as 'legislating from the bench' or 'an authority not specifically given to the federal government and reserved to the states.' then a couple months later the same court rules in a manner favorable to these same folks and we hear about about 'just jurispudence' and 'what the founding fathers intended.' today people are still crying that the sixteenth amendment was never officially ratified and i'm sure they'll never be convinced otherwise yet most of them still pay their taxes. sure, some choose not to claiming the government has no authority to levy taxes against income but many of them make that arguement from a jail cell.

when one choses to live under the jurisdiction of the u.s. you choose to succumb to our laws. if you don't like the laws your only option is to petition for redress of your grievances.

you might want to reread articles 1, 2, and 3. respectively,

"All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States"

"The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,....He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, .........." and goes on to vest power to appoint federal judges and justices, grant pardons, etc., etc.

"The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."


quite a bit of power being vested here. to say that, "The Constitution only limits the power of Government. It does not enable the power of Government." seem ludicrous and i never even got to those enumerated powers given to congress.

NO SYMPATHY ONLY MAKES THE PROBLEM WORST! LOOK UP CODEPENDENCY BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF LIKE THIS! Even "poor" people thrive no Codependency! Sympathy is what is making things financially worst. Help is one thing, support is another.

On top of that I have had NO SYMPATHY extended to me for my situation over the years. I grew up in a failed system left to rot in the hands of my father's own emotional troubles. I was fed drugs BY THE SYSTEM to cover up the emotional and psychological damage my father was doing to me. No one was there for me when my father constantly threatened to kill me and no one was there when he was beating on me, abusing me, and stealing from me. Yes MY OWN FATHER STOLE FROM ME AND MY BROTHER! AND NOT ONE PERSON CAME TO THE RESCUE! I lived a nightmare and I had and have so Sympathy shown to me over it. I just get told to get over myself. I have been forced to fend for myself since I was 12. So you want sympathy from me?

Three words: Get over yourself!

People who live in the Poor Complex suck! People who struggle with poverty are not the ones I got an issue with. All I hear from them are excuses and blame for the other guy! All I see is jealousy.

And I am supposed to sympathize with that?


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Aw, so now we see where it comes from...taking it out on the world....

It is not sympathy that is needed, it is empathy.

Codependency is more problems then the showing of sympathy anyways so that isn't a good explanation.

As to feeling bad for addicts, it is no crime to feel bad for them, it is actually humane to feel bad for them but the secret is not to do anything for them that will enable them to use off of you.

Just because you felt abused doesn't mean that you have to do the same to others, you know.

Welfare isn't the problem at any level in this country. It is a temporary help program that has a life time limit of five years so it cannot be a lifestyle. Nor can it contribute to the societal ills we have in this country.

The reason drugs are a problem in this country is because we are taught from a young age that a pill or medicine will fix any ill. Also the attitude that getting high is a good thing to do in life.

All addicts are self medicating from some pain or pains in their life from before they started using. It is a cycle that causes them more and more pain along the way.

They have to fix themselves, no one can do it for them but it is not a reason to be mean.




I love how you compare a lack of sympathy to hating the world. You arm chair psychologists are so tremendously funny. Also you clearly don't seem to understand addiction at all. Covering pain? PUHLEASE! Having been in the community so to speak I know a LOT of people who got hooked just on recreational use of crap like Meth. Don't feed me that "Oh the Pain" line. Sell it elsewhere. Yes some people get hooked on legitimately prescribed Meds too. But more often than not the larger percentage of users were RECREATIONAL!

I don't hate the world. I hate humanity yes but not life itself. Humans are the ones who makes life bad. But some people do get it while the rest flounder in their own self gratification. Recovered addicts don't look for sympathy. Addicts DO! I can live without pot if I have to. I am not out stealing for it. I am not selling my body or soul for it. I earn my living. Addicts don't care about anything other than THEIR FIX! They are the ultimate expression of self centered and self indulgence. they could care less what their addiction does to those around them.

And compassion only feeds the fire. Please do try to tell me something I don't know that isn't a personal value judgment here.

You are so delusional to think that a system as flawed as our welfare system has not compounded problems more than solved them? I could think of basic services the government could pay people for like cleaning up litter but that is easier to have people pay off fines doing that for Cal Trans! There sure seems to be enough litter going around. But what keeps people from scrambling with that check to buy beer or drugs? Drugs are a problem with both rich and poor. It isn't about welfare itself but how welfare contributes directly to the problems at hand. You ever been to Santa Monica? Ever see a park full of derelicts all passed out in the park with their paper bag? I live here and work in Santa Monica off and on. Nothing like seeing a well to do city with street lurkers passed out at bus stops and parks. Some of them even camp in parking lots. Santa Monica foolishly allowed tolerance for them and the citizens have been pissed off ever since with an increase in Garage Break ins and people taking a crap in their back yard!

So go ahead, call me a mean person!



I rock!

BTW I can respect an addict who does admit their problem and then works toward the goal of ending the cycle. The problem is it never ends. I cannot however respect and addict that is constantly on the recovery rollycoaster! I have seen that sympathy play before.

But respect an addict? NEVER!

You have said you hate everyone before, no new stuff here from me, you admitted it.

Respect has degrees. Respecting all humans because I know I cannot KNOW their life difficulties and path should be a given because I would hope they will do the same for me. But I guess there are those who do not expect human respect to be given them because they don't give it, right?

Why do you think the drug or alcoholic feeling is so good to the addict? Because it is numbing the pain.

That is one of the many precursors to being an addict, it is having a painful experience in childhood or teenage years. Then getting exposed to a "high" that numbs it. Then they are off.

You don't know what they go through, you judge blindly.

Prejudging is never accurate. And is usually a projection from the prejudging individual out onto those they do not even know.

The person who hates other people are usually hating themselves. They see a quality in them that they have and hate in themselves.

Hate, like worry, is simply wasted energy.

Hey, we all hate something. I take people on a one on one basis. We each are to be held accountable for our own actions.

But on average humans suck.

And yes there are things about myself I don't like but hey, there are a lot of things in life we have no choice over like parents and neighbors!

So are we trying to make mountains out of mole hills here? Now attack me instead of my viewpoint? Sad people, real sad, and pathetic on so many levels!

I am addressing your viewpoint. Your "point of view" comes from you.

The fact that it is skewed is obvious because....wait for it.....you can't know all drug addicts to be able to make sweeping statements of them. So your view point comes from something you feel that is not factual but personal....

I was addressing prejudging in general.

No prejudgement can be accurate because it is made on people that are unknown to a person.

hey, we all DON'T hate something. i hate nothing.