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Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:13 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:13 AM
there is no quote in the new testament on Jesus preaching anything against homosexuals,hell some people even think Jesus himself was gay,after all he sure had alot of male followers,just sayin. Want you to notice the sexually immoral. Homosexuality would fall into this category. It is immoral for again sex is for reproduction and the making of a family. Homosexuals can not do this, it is purely for the physical lust, which is then what classifies it as immoral. It does nothing positive for the world, the community, or the person. It is a physical desire, lust. So don't tell me Jesus never taught against homosexuality. Think this will clarify this statement as well. Jesus had male followers for men are the leaders, they are the one's that are in charge with teaching the family of the laws of our lord. The man is responsible for making a God loving family. They are the one's to spread the word of God. Thus the reason Jesus had male disciples. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) so i'm assuming this is another contradiction from Mark 7:15 What does this have to do with Mark 7:15? One is talking about sexual preferences and the other is talking about what is eaten goes in the body does not defile the body but the actions that proceed out of the body that defiles it. The actions you take is what defiles you if they are immoral, not the things you eat. Mark 7:15 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/01/11 10:16 AM
there is no quote in the new testament on Jesus preaching anything against homosexuals,hell some people even think Jesus himself was gay,after all he sure had alot of male followers,just sayin. Want you to notice the sexually immoral. Homosexuality would fall into this category. It is immoral for again sex is for reproduction and the making of a family. Homosexuals can not do this, it is purely for the physical lust, which is then what classifies it as immoral. It does nothing positive for the world, the community, or the person. It is a physical desire, lust. So don't tell me Jesus never taught against homosexuality. Think this will clarify this statement as well. Jesus had male followers for men are the leaders, they are the one's that are in charge with teaching the family of the laws of our lord. The man is responsible for making a God loving family. They are the one's to spread the word of God. Thus the reason Jesus had male disciples. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) so i'm assuming this is another contradiction from Mark 7:15 What does this have to do with Mark 7:15? One is talking about sexual preferences and the other is talking about what is eaten goes in the body does not defile the body but the actions that proceed out of the body that defiles it. The actions you take is what defiles you if they are immoral, not the things you eat. Mark 7:15 15There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. the word nothing is the key

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:18 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. Divorce was in the old covenant, no longer applies since that covenant was completed with the coming of Jesus. There is no longer "divorce" in marriage. What God hath joined, let no man put asunder. 1 Corinthians 7:2 King James Version 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:19 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. Divorce was in the old covenant, no longer applies since that covenant was completed with the coming of Jesus. There is no longer "divorce" in marriage. What God hath joined, let no man put asunder. 1 Corinthians 7:2 King James Version 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Matthew 19:6 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Fri 07/01/11 10:19 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. not true... most religious couples only have sex for procreation, not physical enjoyment... hasdic jews still put sheets between them when they have sex, to cut down the enjoyment from it...

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/01/11 10:20 AM Edited by RKISIT on Fri 07/01/11 10:22 AM
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) yeah i was right Jesus didn't say this Paul did.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 07/01/11 10:21 AM
"Mark 7:15 There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him:" looks to me jesus had no problem with homosexuals and has broken the kosher laws,just sayin Also note that according to GOD homosexuality is an abomination yeah, so is eating shell fish (according to the scriptures) pretty sure alot of the haters are eating shrimp, crab, clams, lobster...etc. hard to hate the fish, but people..yeah that's EZ!! Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ... Leviticus 11:9 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. Leviticus and Deuteronomy both have scriptures speaking of NOT eating pork and shellfish as it is an abomination... selective scripture thumping go figure

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:22 AM
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Okay? Fornication is sex outside of marriage. If someone is married, they are specifically TOLD not to deprive their spouse of sex. You need to get your head straight. Believing something as being Biblical in the FACE of scriptures that say the opposite tells me that somethings not right with you. Don't reply to me until you have a scripture where we are told to not have sex except for reproduction.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:23 AM
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) yeah i was right jesus didn't say this Paul did. Matthew 19:5-6 Jesus speaking for you. Does not say man and man, does not say woman and woman. Says specifically man and woman. 5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:23 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. not true... most religious couples only have sex for procreation, not physical enjoyment... hasdic jews still put sheets between them when they have sex, to cut down the enjoyment from it... I don't care what most people do, I'm talking about what Christians are supposed to do. If you and Cowboy think women's bodies are icky, then do what you want, but the Bible clearly teaches that couples should enjoy sex with one another.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:24 AM
"Mark 7:15 There is NOTHING from without a man, that entering into him can defile him:" looks to me jesus had no problem with homosexuals and has broken the kosher laws,just sayin Also note that according to GOD homosexuality is an abomination yeah, so is eating shell fish (according to the scriptures) pretty sure alot of the haters are eating shrimp, crab, clams, lobster...etc. hard to hate the fish, but people..yeah that's EZ!! Romans 14:1-23 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ... Leviticus 11:9 “These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. Leviticus and Deuteronomy both have scriptures speaking of NOT eating pork and shellfish as it is an abomination... selective scripture thumping go figure No selective thumping or anything. Leviticus and Deuteronomy are of the old covenant which was fulfilled, completed, finished, holds no more power over us.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 07/01/11 10:25 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. not true... most religious couples only have sex for procreation, not physical enjoyment... hasdic jews still put sheets between them when they have sex, to cut down the enjoyment from it... How sad for them ,,,,

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:26 AM Edited by Spidercmb on Fri 07/01/11 10:28 AM
mightymoe said... hasdic jews still put sheets between them when they have sex, to cut down the enjoyment from it... http://upstel.net/~rooster/hasid2.html#HASID2-Q8 Q-8: Do Hasidim really have sex through a hole in a sheet? -13: NO! According to urban legend, this silly rumor got started in the ghettos of Europe, where some people saw the four-cornered garments with fringes (which do have a hole in the middle for the head) hanging on the wash line. They didn't know what they were for, so their imaginations took over... Hasidism -- and Judaism in general -- regards sex as a natural and beautiful thing, so long as it remains between spouses in privacy. The fact that Hasidim tend to have a lot of children should tell you that we have nothing against sex! We do, however, object to seeing intimate moments and bare bodies in movies and billboards, because we feel it cheapens something that is sacred and private. I suppose this is also the place to dispel the urban legend about how Hasidim supposedly display the bloody sheets on the morning after the wedding night to prove the bride was a virgin. No, we don't do that one, either. There was a scene spoofing this in the movie Yentl but, as I explained in Part 1, Question 9 of this FAQ, "Yentl" is a comedy, not a documentary -- and like most comedies, it's full of absurd cliches. An in-depth discussion discussion of the "hole in the sheet" urban legend can be found on the Snopes.com site (debunking urban legends) at http://www.snopes.com/religion/sheet.htm.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:27 AM
Ladylid2012 said... How sad for them ,,,, It's not true, see my post following yours.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:29 AM
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Okay? Fornication is sex outside of marriage. If someone is married, they are specifically TOLD not to deprive their spouse of sex. You need to get your head straight. Believing something as being Biblical in the FACE of scriptures that say the opposite tells me that somethings not right with you. Don't reply to me until you have a scripture where we are told to not have sex except for reproduction. Galatians 5:16 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Sex outside of reproduction would be lust, physical desire. Yes, it's "love making". But there are many ways to show your love for your spouse outside of sex.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Fri 07/01/11 10:31 AM
Cowboy wrote: Want you to notice the sexually immoral. Homosexuality would fall into this category. It is immoral for again sex is for reproduction and the making of a family. Homosexuals can not do this, it is purely for the physical lust, which is then what classifies it as immoral. It does nothing positive for the world, the community, or the person. It is a physical desire, lust. So don't tell me Jesus never taught against homosexuality. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) I guess if you've made up your mind to use Jesus to spread hated and bigotry throughout the world then that's what you're going to do. Take a seat beside Pat Robertson and let him run the Jesus marionette hate-doll for a while.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/01/11 10:31 AM
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) yeah i was right jesus didn't say this Paul did. Matthew 19:5-6 Jesus speaking for you. Does not say man and man, does not say woman and woman. Says specifically man and woman. 5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. ok then where is Jesus saying that homosexuality is wrong?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 07/01/11 10:32 AM
Don't have to. The scriptures tell us what sex is for and the scriptures only teach of sex for reproduction. And speaks of sexual immorality, lust, ect being sinful and against God's will. Sex outside of reproduction would fall into the lust category, lusting after the flesh and appeasing the fleshly desires. You don't have scriptures, so you don't have any biblical footing. There was a law in Israel that allowed a wife to divorce her husband IF HE WASN'T HAVING SEX WITH HER. Your puritanical beliefs are not supported by the Bible and never were. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We are meant to enjoy sex as a married couple. Keep your personal hangups to yourself. not true... most religious couples only have sex for procreation, not physical enjoyment... hasdic jews still put sheets between them when they have sex, to cut down the enjoyment from it... I don't care what most people do, I'm talking about what Christians are supposed to do. If you and Cowboy think women's bodies are icky, then do what you want, but the Bible clearly teaches that couples should enjoy sex with one another. Women's bodies aren't icky lol. There is more ways to enjoy it then sex. Feeling the soft warm skin on your skin as you're going to sleep, waking up, or periodically through the day for a number of reasons. Admiring the beauty of the body in all it's greatness. Again, no sex needed. Think outside the box, outside the cardinal mindset. There are many ways to enjoy one another physically and emotionally outside of sex.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/01/11 10:33 AM
Galatians 5:16 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. Sex outside of reproduction would be lust, physical desire. Yes, it's "love making". But there are many ways to show your love for your spouse outside of sex. Galatians 5:19-20 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. How convenient that you didn't include the context. Are you sure you aren't an atheist? Galatians 5:19-20 lists the acts of the flesh, sex inside of marriage is none of those things. Where did you get this crazy idea that God wants us to only have sex to reproduce?