it's a choice they make, no matter what anyone says...

people are not abominations, but they perform ABOMINABLE acts

in our mortal world some cultures , like ours, consider things like sex with children abominable

perhaps, in the spiritual world, things like sex with the same sex are equally abominable...

its all perception, and choice

The whole perception thing changes when you bring God into it. If you wanna say you believe something, or perceive it, then fine. But don't try to speak for God.

hmmm, so is it your belief that before mention of 'god' or before a bible, people didnt perceive any activity to be abominable?

how do we have the capacity to see pedophilia with such disdain if this is true? does that indicate there is something outside of God or a Bible that gauges our personal views on certain activities?

No it isn't no matter what anyone says... did you choose your orientation?

yes, i did...just like everyone else....

I Chose my sexual lifestyle,,,yes

Did you choose what sex you were attracted to though? That's her question. If you ask me, it chooses us.

i disagree...people have no will to control their urges, then say they were born with it...i think that is just a cop out... but it is easier just to give in rather than to control an urge...

subconsciously,, yes,,,I did

the mind associating certain pleasant feelings with 'attraction' is hardwired, but which correlations will turn into a self fulfilling prophecy is not,,,

on the nose

its self fulfilling prophecy really, imho, once we decide which box we feel most 'comfortable' or 'happy' in, we will tend to lean towards experiences and people who reaffirm that decision until it becomes a pretty solid foundation for how we view ourself

Do you have the ability to control an urge? Maybe, but to the point where you choose which gender you are attracted to I don't believe so.

just because "others" can't, or won't, doesn't mean that everyone can't or won't control theirs... makes it even harder when people keep saying it's ok, just do it. There used to be laws and moral standards to keep it easier for people to control their urges, but they went out the window with the "free love" movement, when someone else said "what is wrong with two people that love each other?" then, 10 years later, teenagers were having kids, all sorts of STD's came around, planned parenthood was needed for the children having children...all because someone in the sixties said the same thing your saying now...

This youtube clip explains why the world won't end when people say it will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7bI5A2PH4

I dont think anyone knows when it will end,,,

although people will always make their best 'educated' guess

i predict the world will last for another week.. i'll let you know if i was right next week...

I am an arrogant pussycat, as you would put it. But the only time I was attacked by two larger guys (I'm 5'4", and once two guys came at me, each at least 6') in a flash the guys were trying to get up off the floor. I never learned martial arts. I am a gimp. I have no coordination. But I guess I have good fear and I can use it to my advantage, when it comes to calculating sub-consciously (I did not plan what to do and how to come out on top) where to touch, toward which direction, why and with what force. It was all automatic, it was like writing a short story for me, inasmuch I never had to think about even for a second what to put down, and where, and how, like when I put down words one after another in the process of writing.

In fact, I became friends with another little wussy guy instantly and for life, when the two guys just could not believe they were on the ground and I was standing, never again touched the other wussy guy or me.

once in grade three a big boy came at me to push me down, and he was on the floor because I simply stepped aside, and left one of my feet there. He came at me again, and then once again, and three times he went down in total, then he left me alone. It may not count, as it was in grade three.

But three times I was beaten up by very good friends because I was arrogant and they just could not take it any longer.

I beat up a good friend because he was unjust. He figured he was, too.

In friendly fights, in which we still established some sort of pecking order or authority in the group, three or even maybe many more times I was wrestled without any contest to the ground.

I remember in grade five I was challenging a big boy to a fight, a plyafight, in the school yard, and he kept telling me to go away. I did not, I was jumping around him in hubris. He simply bent forward when he had enough, took me by the waist, turned me upside down, then continued turning me and put me down on the ground with my feet first. That made a huge impression on me. The guy was not willing to play with me a fight, because he figured I was way below his league, and by george, I was, too.

I don't know. I guess my knowledge of when to hurt is governed by a sense of justice, and by a sense of losing my competitive edge when it comes to hurting a friend.

So after I emmigrated from the old country at 18, I never had any more friends at all, exactly for that reason.

And the two big guys who jumped me did so in my locational transition, in Germany.

Now that you have finally made up your mind that children are not necessarily the most important function of marriage and that the children being raised in any heterosexual or homosexual household obviously deserve equal benefits let's consider the only actual question that is legally being considered.

According to your new found belief, you would agree that homosexuals, their partners and their families are as equally entitled to all the benefits of the marriage contrect as heterosexuals, right?

This is the only qustion you are being asked to consider, this is the only question being brought up in state congressionla hearings, therefore, this is the only question you are being asked to consider.

So please consider it without any of the unrelated hypotheticals that your mind would conjure up to avoid considering the one and only actual issue: same-sex marriage.

if we are discussing equal 'rights',,the answer is yes


and the unavoidable truth is, EVERY ADULT WHO ENTERS A COMMITMENT WITH ANOTHER ADULT SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS A MARITAL COUPLE< IF SAID RIGHTS ARE EXCLUSIVELY GRANTED BECAUSE OF NOTHING MORE THAN A JOINT DECISION TO COMMIT AND JOIN LIVES


I dont agree it should be recognized as a 'marriage' by the government though but as a CONTRACT( as it is so often discussed when its broken down to a mere consentual agreement) , a CIVIL UNION available to any adults who wish to enter into it,,,,


marriage as it is currently defined can be annulled on the grounds of impotency, which implies that the SEXUAL RELATIONS are a significant factor of the relationship,,, I dont think this should be the case with ALL Adults, because I dont think the government should endorse sexual relations between ALL Adults let alone consider them any type of mandate for ALL Adult relationships

endorsing sexual relations between male and female is logical on the grounds that that type of bond is/can be often the foundation for bringing new life in the world and beginning (biological) families,,,,


ID say the consistently logical answer is to do what spider suggested, make marriage strictly religious, create civil unions for the government to recognize, with no reference, support or condemnation of the sexual relations involved,,,,and only a recognition and reinforcement of the 'commitment' agreed to

In a civil sense, yes, in a religious sense, depends on the fundamental tenets of the religion.

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I live on disability. I moved four months ago. The place I live in now is co-owned by a man and a woman. I got an auditing-type letter from the agency that supports me, asking if the lady that I pay rent to is my wife, common law, am I screwing her, are her children and mine referred to as "ours", etc.

The questionnaire was three pages long.

I don't know why they sent it to me. But I don't have children, the landlady has a tall, good looking, strapping and nice guy to screw her, she don't need my input in that matter. (Pun intended.) There are three females in the place, and three males. I'm the fourth male.

I went in and argued with my counsellor, asking him wtf she's my landlady. He said it's because she's a female, and I am a male.

Well. I think that was homophobic, and mysygynyc. I asked him, this is just one of the three women, why her? And why not the three guys? Hasn't he heard of homosexual marriages, incl. common-law? I was screaming expletives at the Welfare office at the top of my lungs because I was so angry they would exclude the males as candidates to be my common-law partners.

The nerve of those guys. Stupid DumFuuks at the Welfare office.

BTW, I am hetero, but I am gay positive. But not HIV positive.
By gay positive I don't mean I am leaning that way, only that I hate those and will scream expletives at them, who hate gays. Incl. gays who hate gays.

I think I am making too much of a fuss of this. And I am overcomplicating the issue. The reasonable thing for me to do would be to get up in the morning, brush my teeth, then spend the rest of the day screaming expletives, say my evening prayers and go to bed.