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WAAAAAAAAAY off topic.
BTW: no true scotsman fallacy. real Jews
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These are not "conspiracy theories." He deals in FACTS. Good conspiracy theories deal almost exclusively with facts. They might be cherry-picked, or taken out of context, but they still deal with facts. The fact that one's body of evidence is entirely factual does not make that body of evidence sufficient for drawing conclusions, nor that one's reasoning is sound. |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 01:04 PM
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These are not "conspiracy theories." He deals in FACTS. Good conspiracy theories deal almost exclusively with facts. They might be cherry-picked, or taken out of context, but they still deal with facts. The fact that one's body of evidence is entirely factual does not make that body of evidence sufficient for drawing conclusions, nor that one's reasoning is sound. That argument could be used against most scientific theories. When does a "conspiracy theory" become an accepted fact? I can name dozens of them that have. All I am asking is for people to stop their ridiculous name calling and do some personal unbiased research for themselves if they are really interested in knowing truth from propaganda. I will also warn that these people who have filled the world with lies and propaganda are experts and extremely professional. Many people buy into stuff that is total crap just because it is presented well. I don't think that is too much to ask, but I doubt if anyone on this thread will do that. They are what they have claimed me to be. (Biased.) Bushidobillyclub, Yes, it is waaay off topic, and I was willing to drop this thread until someone started name calling and calling me anti-semitic. That is unacceptable, false and rude. It is also slander. |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 01:28 PM
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These are not "conspiracy theories." He deals in FACTS. Good conspiracy theories deal almost exclusively with facts. They might be cherry-picked, or taken out of context, but they still deal with facts. The fact that one's body of evidence is entirely factual does not make that body of evidence sufficient for drawing conclusions, nor that one's reasoning is sound. Conspiracy Theories that turned out to be true: Here are 33 of them: Read it all and watch the news videos. http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/ |
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and you post a link from info wars . . . sigh. Lets please stop this thread unless we want to get back on topic.
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 02:52 PM
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and you post a link from info wars . . . sigh. Lets please stop this thread unless we want to get back on topic. Bushidobillyclub, Instead of passing judgement on the messenger or link or source, look at the actual information and make judgement on that. You don't have to agree with all of it. You guys seem to be completely authority dependent. You don't know how to evaluate the actual information. You are too prejudice about the messenger or the delivery or the presentation or the look of the website. You allow your bias to get in the way of your evaluation of the actual information. I warned you that the ones who spread the real propaganda (not the stupid disinformation junk) are PROFESSIONALS. They make themselves look very good and are very convincing. All information is tainted with agenda, truth, lies and propaganda. you have to learn how to sort through all that crap for truth. I could spend hours finding links to information where you might approve of the authority, but I want you to DO YOUR OWN INVESTIGATIONS. I can't believe you can't do that. Yes, end this thread. And stop the name calling and insults. You are either interested in learning the truth about this stuff or you aren't. |
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and you post a link from info wars . . . sigh. Lets please stop this thread unless we want to get back on topic. Bushidobillyclub, Instead of passing judgement on the messenger or link or source, look at the actual information and make judgement on that. You don't have to agree with all of it. You guys seem to be completely authority dependent. You don't know how to evaluate the actual information. You are too prejudice about the messenger or the delivery or the presentation or the look of the website. You allow your bias to get in the way of your evaluation of the actual information. I warned you that the ones who spread the real propaganda (not the stupid disinformation junk) are PROFESSIONALS. They make themselves look very good and are very convincing. All information is tainted with agenda, truth, lies and propaganda. you have to learn how to sort through all that crap for truth. I could spend hours finding links to information where you might approve of the authority, but I want you to DO YOUR OWN INVESTIGATIONS. I can't believe you can't do that. Yes, end this thread. And stop the name calling and insults. You are either interested in learning the truth about this stuff or you aren't. Infowars is the national inquirer online, the word journalism is sullied by the implication that this site offers news. |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 04:35 PM
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Personally I don't know much about info wars and don't spend a lot of time there. That was just a quick link that had some interesting videos and information, a lot of which can be verified.
All I'm saying is that you have to take information case by case. I'm sure I could find an agenda on that site and a lot of slanted stuff there too. Point being, there are facts that once were only "conspiracy theories." Then the facts were verified by people who did not turn away from so-called "crack pot" information. Take the Watergate scandal for example. Two "crack pot" reporters. In order to find the truth you can't turn your back on information until you check it out. There are different levels and bits of truth to be found in the most outlandish stuff. If not truth, you can find agenda.... and that is a clue. Yes there are lots of stuff that I glance at and reject almost immediately because it is the same old crap and has some religious or political agenda. If I don't see anything new, I reject it. If I see anything new, I check that bit out and follow to see if it leads anywhere. I am going to start a thread about how propaganda is created today using "surveys." |
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About Semitic and the term Anti-Semitic: (Wikipedia) The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Geschichte der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[1] The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite. Here is how the term was propagandized as meaning against Jews only which is how most people think of it today. The term "anti-Semitic" (or "anti-Semite") overwhelmingly refers to Jews only. It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Using ideas of race and nationalism, Marr argued that Jews had become the first major power in the West. He accused them of being liberals, a people without roots who had Judaized Germans beyond salvation. In 1879 Marr founded the "League for Anti-Semitism".[2] The concept of "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. Enemies were often said to be descendants of his cursed nephew, Canaan. In Genesis 10:21-31, Shem is described as the father of Aram, Asshur, and Arpachshad: the Biblical ancestors of the Arabs, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Sabaeans, and Hebrews, etc., all of whose languages are closely related; the language family containing them was therefore named Semitic by linguists. However, the Canaanites and Amorites also spoke a language belonging to this family, and are therefore also termed Semitic in linguistics, despite being described in Genesis as sons of Ham (See Sons of Noah). Shem is also described in Genesis as the father of Elam and Lud, although the Elamites and Lydians usually thought to descend from these spoke languages that were not Semitic. The hypothetical Proto-Semitic language, ancestral to historical Semitic languages in the Middle East, is thought to have been originally from either the Arabian Peninsula (particularly around Yemen) or the adjacent Ethiopian highlands. But its region of origin is still much debated and uncertain with, for example, a recent bayesian analysis identifying an origin for Semitic languages in the Levant around 5,750 BP with a single introduction from southern Arabia into Africa around 2,800 BP.[3] The Semitic language family is also considered a component of the larger Afroasiatic macro-family of languages. Identification of the hypothetical proto-Semitic region of origin is therefore dependent on the larger geographic distributions of the other language families within Afroasiatic. You really don't know me. My primary focus in my entire life has been to find truth in a world of deception and lies. That is all. In doing so, I have been called names like: "paranoid" "crazy" "stupid" "ignorant" just to mention a small few. (I don't care, I just consider the source. I have no idea what they think they know.) When I talk about the Zionist movement I am called "anti-Semitic" which has come to mean "against Jews" because of the German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry' which probably aided Hitler in world war II. If I am against Zionism does that make me "racist?" Some uninformed people think so. But how is that possible since Zionists are mostly white caucasin? That does not make any logical sense does it? If Zionism is not Judaism, then what is meant by the term "Jewish?" Is it a religion or a race? If it is a race, what kind of race? Is there a blood line involved here? What bloodline is it? Then ask yourself and investigate the Royal bloodlines of the world. Look at the Queen of England. Do your own investigations before you call me names. There are many different kinds of people who claim to be "Jews." There are also people who are of that royal blood line who deny it and claim to be Christian or something else. The religion Judaism is not necessarily connected to that bloodline. I read the website. It is anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic. It is exactly the same message in large part as the Nazi propaganda and Dearborn Independent hatred published against Jews to incite violence against them - including false allegations of world domination conspiracies and moral depravity. It is repugnant - here are some better links regarding the discredited Protocols of the Elders of Zion... from the Wiki: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion Anyone who would cite these and related sources as real scholarship is antisemitic. http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/pike/affiliations.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=tp Don't Spread Bigotry and Hatred |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 08:25 PM
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s1owhand
That is NOT unbiased investigating. It is not even close to being complete. I have been studying this stuff for YEARS. You don't know what you are talking about. The term "anti-Semitism" is used by Zionists to target people who don't like their politics. "It was coined in 1879 by German journalist Wilhelm Marr in a pamphlet called, "The Victory of Germandom over Jewry". Wake up and smell the Criminals. You can know them by their deeds. I am against criminals and war crimes. I am anti-zionist. I am not against Judaism. (Religious Jews) I am against those who pretend to be Jews but are just criminals. You are what is called a neo-con. That is a person who buys into that bull and supports Zionism. |
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Fri 06/17/11 08:36 PM
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Don't Spread Bigotry and Hatred How do you imagine I am doing that? I spread truth. Don't spread lies and propaganda. I am against lies, propaganda, war crimes. genocide, communism, etc. Zionism and Israel is a ruthless, terrorist, atheists dictatorship that is very close to being communism. (If you don't believe me go to Israel and see for yourself. Live there a while...) Mossad is a terrorist organization claiming to be an 'intelligence' agency. Wiki: The Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection and covert operations which are suspected to include targeted killings and paramilitary activities beyond Israel's borders, bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities worldwide. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security), but its director reports directly to the Prime Minister. |
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Fri 06/17/11 08:27 PM
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So stop posting your crap in this thread.
This thread is dead. Let it die!!! |
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Don't Spread Bigotry and Hatred How do you imagine I am doing that? I spread truth. Don't spread lies and propaganda. I am against lies, propaganda, war crimes. genocide, communism, etc. Zionism and Israel is a ruthless, terrorist, atheists dictatorship that is very close to being communism. (If you don't believe me go to Israel and see for yourself. Live there a while...) Mossad is a terrorist organization claiming to be an 'intelligence' agency. Wiki: The Mossad is responsible for intelligence collection and covert operations which are suspected to include targeted killings and paramilitary activities beyond Israel's borders, bringing Jews to Israel from countries where official Aliyah agencies are forbidden, and protecting Jewish communities worldwide. It is one of the main entities in the Israeli Intelligence Community, along with Aman (military intelligence) and Shin Bet (internal security), but its director reports directly to the Prime Minister. Your advocacy of the truth of the Protocols and the Pike/Natl Prayer Network garbage is in fact spreading Hatred and Bigotry I gave accurate references showing this. It is not controversial but accepted by all reputable historians. Demonizing Israel is part of it. They are a country like many others which have their own military and intelligence agency of course but they also have a free and open press and are held accountable unlike all their arab neighbors and most countries of the world. So demonizing them selectively sure appears to be antisemitic as well as antizionist. Israel and Zionism is no more sinister than France and French Nationalism or Brazil and Brazilian Nationalism or Japan and Japanese Nationalism. To suggest that they are more depraved somehow is merely another way to say that jews are somehow exceptionally depraved which would be amusing except for the fact that millions of people have been murdered because of these false allegations in the past. Now - you were the one who brought the antisemites into your own thread. I merely feel compelled to counter this jew bashing non-sequitur regurgitation of the Protocols and similar hate speech and Israel bashing lest some innocent but less informed reader run across it and mistake it for a legitimate viewpoint!   Like I said it reads like classic 1920's Nazi antisemitism for a good reason...because it is....   |
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Fri 06/17/11 09:07 PM
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I bash criminals and murders and liars what ever they call themselves.
Some of them call themselves Jews. Educate yourself. The ADL is not "reputable" They are thugs and associated with the Russian mafia. |
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I bash criminals and murders and liars what ever they call themselves. Some of them call themselves Jews. Educate yourself. Your posts bash Israel and Jews not criminals. |
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Fri 06/17/11 09:14 PM
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I bash criminals and murders and liars what ever they call themselves. Some of them call themselves Jews. Educate yourself. Your posts bash Israel and Jews not criminals. Really?? What if the criminals claim to be Jews?? Do they get the protection of thugs like the ADL and people like you just because they are Jews?? Why would I have anything against Jews? I'm not even Christian. I don't care what religion people are. The true religious Jews are peaceful. I have nothing against them. I don't bash Jews unless they are criminals, and the Zionist movement is mostly criminals. The evidence is everywhere. You can't even call me racist because my last husband was black. Jews are whiter than I am. |
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I bash criminals and murders and liars what ever they call themselves. Some of them call themselves Jews. Educate yourself. Your posts bash Israel and Jews not criminals. Really?? What if the criminals claim to be Jews?? Do they get the protection of thugs like the ADL and people like you just because they are Jews?? Why would I have anything against Jews? I'm not even Christian. I don't care what religion people are. The true religious Jews are peaceful. I have nothing against them. I don't bash Jews unless they are criminals, and the Zionist movement is mostly criminals. The evidence is everywhere. You can't even call me racist because my last husband was black. Jews are whiter than I am. Your assertion that an entire nation of individuals is criminal is the ridiculous and laughable and reveals your bias. Zionism is the same thing as Israeli Nationalism. So you might as well say that Canadians are all criminals or Swedes are all criminals or <pick any other open press democracy here> are all criminals. The vast majority of Israelis are true religious Jews so there is an obvious contradiction. If you have nothing against them then you should have nothing against Zionists or Israelis...but you DO. The most disgusting part is spouting the well known falsehoods about Jewish or Israeli depravity and global domination conspiracies and stating them as legitimate. This is really mind bogglingly awful. I refer you again to the Wiki article on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Der Sturmer and the Dearborn Independent as well as the ADL articles on these antisemitic propagandists and the evil they have promoted and perpetuated. There is no place in any educated discussion for such hateful and wrong excrement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn_Independent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion For a more reasonable view of Israel and it's position in the world you should read about it at the jewish virtual library = it is pro- Israel but truthful and it's references and authenticity are beyond question. I was interested in it a long time back and checked the references and they were accurate and verifiable. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths2/cover.html |
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Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/17/11 09:59 PM
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I actually feel sorry for most of the Jews living in Israel under that dictatorship. But they bought into that and they moved there. Many were bribed into moving there, and were given free 10 day trips to visit so they could be talked into moving there.
There are some Jews who are very concerned with what is happening to their leadership and their country and who don't like it at all. Its just like people of other nations who hate Americans because of what our leadership is doing around the world. Have you ever read the protocols? I have. What is in there is exactly what is and has been happening in the world with the banking systems and governments all over. If you read them and look around you, you will see that. The ADL is a bias thug oriented group, guilty of crimes. I don't accept that as a legitimate authority for truth. Quite the opposite. Also, anyone who uses the term "anti-Semitic" is a pawn of Zionism. That term originated from Nazi Germany. That war was all about forcing Jews to move to Israel. They have been forced out of many places with similar violence and then offered safe haven in Israel for the purpose of Zionism. The Jewish people living in Israel are mostly white and are NOT Semitic at all. Semitic people are mostly dark skinned like the Arabs. Any organization that supports Zionism is not a credible source. Zionist are not nice people. Zionism is responsible for the persecution of Jewish people around the world living in other countries. They (Zionist) betrayed there own "people." I'm sorry if I gave the impression that all Jews in Israel are criminals. I meant the leadership, the government and Zionism. You need to realize that Zionism is a political movement. |
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Good conspiracy theories deal almost exclusively with facts. They might be cherry-picked, or taken out of context, but they still deal with facts. The fact that one's body of evidence is entirely factual does not make that body of evidence sufficient for drawing conclusions, nor that one's reasoning is sound. QFT |
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I actually feel sorry for most of the Jews living in Israel under that dictatorship. more antisemitism deleted... Israel is far from a dictatorship. Go to Libya. You claim to be educated but then you repeatedly come out with these incredible howlers!!!  And yet, you advocate the truth of Nazi propaganda!!! I have read the Protocols and a vast amount of similar garbage. I am well educated in the history of Israel and the other Mideast countries and Europe and the U.S. too - a bit weaker on Asian countries.  I'm sorry if I gave the impression that all Jews in Israel are criminals. I meant the leadership, the government and Zionism. You need to realize that Zionism is a political movement. Unbelievable! Read your own posts! I know Zionism is a political movement. It is the foundation of Israeli Nationalism. It appears from this and other posts that you seem to think almost all governments are criminals. Well I won't argue that power doesn't corrupt. It does - But not all govts are synonymous with criminals and certainly not the U.S. or Israel. If you don't like various governments and disagree with their policies fine. Just don't dig up and spew Nazi propaganda. And then you repeatedly insist that the Nazis were right! That is <ahem> pretty well known to be a huge load of diaper filling! If you want to compare Israel with some much more egregiously abusive governments... Compare with Syria, Iran, Libya, North Korea, ...etc. etc. Dissenting with your government or honest reporting in those countries can get you summarily shot while in Israel like the U.S. such criticism is honored and cherished and defended and they vote. Zionism is not a dirty word. It is just that jew haters and various arab countries who despise the very idea of the existence of the jewish homeland in Israel have attempted to denigrate the movement. Fortunately the truth is available with actually correct discussions of the Zionist movement and Israeli Nationalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism and http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html Unfortunately you reject such obviously well-reasoned scholarship and instead adopt the viewpoints of which Hitler was proud! OK - stick to your guns on that Hitler was right stuff... Whoooboy! Yep. That is a real winner. |
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