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I am a Christian by babtism. I can do nothing about that, except commit suicide, to weaken the strength of Christians everwhere by reducing their numbers.
But wait!! I can't commit suicide. I am a Christian. The perfect Catch 22. |
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I am a Christian by babtism. I can do nothing about that, except commit suicide, to weaken the strength of Christians everwhere by reducing their numbers. But wait!! I can't commit suicide. I am a Christian. The perfect Catch 22. And thank good Ness for making me fat, old, and crazy too much so that I would never be called to service. I am a pacifist by unfitness. |
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perhaps if I Said, I love criminals without needing to condone their crimes clearly a contradiction ...since the criminal behavior is part of that which makes up the essence of the soul (religious lingo)...you can't love one without loving and condoning the other pretty sure Eva Peron used the same reasoning dealing with Hilter...when he's not murdering 6 million Jews he's a pretty nice guy not a contradiction at all, everyone has MOMENTS, its the preponderous of which types of moments that accumulate into the BALANCE of who they essentially are,, which is usually pretty complex for all of us behavior is a temporary part of the very long list of things that evolve or devolve as our experiences grow, it is very easy to seperate it BECAUSE it is temporary...ONE momentary choice out of billions that occur in a lifetime |
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Oh also, as a Christian I'm very confused about the duties of Christians. Obviously you can't force anyone to obey God because He Himself gave everyone free will, hoping that man might learn to love and serve Him using that free will. And I heard the early Protestants, at least early in terms of early 19th century or whatever, took it upon themselves to execute various punishments on people who did such things as commit adultery within their colonies. So I don't know if Christians are supposed to be completely non-tolerant toward anything the Bible forbids, or if love should be poured on everyone, wicked or no. It's a troubling matter for me because it seems like some sort of double standard or wacky contradiction; God executes judgment but lavishes love on both the deserving and the undeserving. So I dunno.... I am one of those 'christians' who believe in loving sinners, without condoning or loving their sins "love the sinner hate the sin" is a most annoying phrase for those of us who don't look at you or anyone else as a 'sinner'. I personally don't feel I am in any position to label anyone a sinner or anything else for that matter. perhaps if I Said, I love criminals without needing to condone their crimes if someone steals, it is against mans law, and they are by definition a criminal, but that action alone doesnt define them or their soul for me,, so I Can still love THEM, without loving what they DID for me, there are spiritual laws and those who break them are commiting spiritual crime (sin) I can seperate what people choose to do from one moment to the next from who their soul is for eternity,, and love them accordingly I hear ya and I get it...is terms used by many christians, heard it all my life. For me there are spiritual laws also and I strive to live by them. Spiritual laws and religious laws are very very different. Agreed, harming one's soul is something that should be definitively defined, and evident to all. In the religious sect this really isn't the case, the laws are merely laws of man more than laws of a divine being. hmm, it would be interesting to hear the proof of any one THING that is 'evident' to all,,,, |
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Please don't take offense Christians, but I have a few major issues with mainstream Christianity. Here is one, and to be honest it makes me laugh now because it's so ridiculous. The church celebrates Easter! Ha ha. Easter is the name of a detestable pagan god that is written about in the old testament! Only in the Old Testament it comes under the title Ashtarte or Ishtar, over the years it taken on many names... Easter being one! The second amusing part about all of this is that the Passover gets ignored, a festival set by God. Yet a pagan god has taken it's place. Has any Christian heard of the Talmud? Look it up. Every Christian should be taught about it seeing it's what Yeshua (Jesus) talked against so much, but false teaching says Yeshua taken away the Law of Moses when was opposed to that idea. In fact he said those that taught even the slightest bit against following any of the Law would be the least in Heaven. Sorry, I only meant to put a small comment on. Jesus has also been the name of many a criminal, but I fail to see how that would diminish the significance of the name Christ is called by? when we look at the root words of most of our vocabulary we will find they have meanings which contribute to their being parts of OTHER words,, there is no irrefutible evidence that EASTER is named so STRICTLY because of a Goddess, there is evidence that the roots of that word, (in both the name of the Goddess and the holiday) have the same connotation,,, |
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Chritianity=hypocrisy for the most part. Warring is okay if it is sanctioned by the Christians. Killing is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Judging all other humans is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Calling all humans sinners is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Etc... So the rules only apply to the those not sanctioned by the Christians....lol Again, free will is non existent in the two major religions in the world. It is a lie told by the creators of the religion so the participants will believe they are willingly choosing to be lead by a nose ring down the yellow brick road. That's pretty much the truth. You can't have free will if you are basically forced into one option by threats. well , what some perceive as threats, others perceive as the reality of action and consequence, and yet others perceive as promises,,, whatever you call them, If I know the road is ending, IM not gonna take it,, whether the person who shared the information meant to threaten me or WARN me,, the truth of the reaction to my choices wont change,,, |
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Please don't take offense Christians, but I have a few major issues with mainstream Christianity. Here is one, and to be honest it makes me laugh now because it's so ridiculous. The church celebrates Easter! Ha ha. Easter is the name of a detestable pagan god that is written about in the old testament! Only in the Old Testament it comes under the title Ashtarte or Ishtar, over the years it taken on many names... Easter being one! The second amusing part about all of this is that the Passover gets ignored, a festival set by God. Yet a pagan god has taken it's place. Has any Christian heard of the Talmud? Look it up. Every Christian should be taught about it seeing it's what Yeshua (Jesus) talked against so much, but false teaching says Yeshua taken away the Law of Moses when was opposed to that idea. In fact he said those that taught even the slightest bit against following any of the Law would be the least in Heaven. Sorry, I only meant to put a small comment on. Actually Christianity piggybacked onto a few already existing holidays and tried to take them over. Christmas is another one. It was an existing holiday for the winter solstice before Christianity even existed. But to see the Christians you would think they "own" it...lol |
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Edited by
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sexual tastes, like culinary tastes, can and do go through changes and adaptations what people are 'into' can and does change and adapt none of those things. by themself, can define in absolute terms someones IDENTITY or SOUL I disagree with those who are convinced otherwise, and I feel sad for them, but there would be no need for them to argue it with me YOU DISAGREE with what other other people feel? You KNOW exactly how every homosexual feels about their sexuality? You certainly seem to know a lot more about what other people feel than even those people? AND YOU FEEL SAD FOR THEM - now that's a random act of kindness on your part - does that make you feel good? I bet you're one of those who look at fibromyalgia sufferers and think, they are just hypochondriacs. You see there's absolutely nothing that medical science can find wrong with those people - so quite obviously those people must CHOOSE to ACT they way they do just to try to get disability. Right? There are a lot of diseases for which a cause has not been found that doesn't mean they don't exist. Just becasue you feel like EVERYONE has this sexual chioce does not make it true. So what is the difference between a person having fibromyalgia or a person being gay? You can not possibly know the cause of either so do you think fibro people are lying? |
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Edited by
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Actually Christianity piggybacked onto a few already existing holidays and tried to take them over. Christmas is another one. It was an existing holiday for the winter solstice before Christianity even existed. But to see the Christians you would think they "own" it...lol In the forming of Christianity the holidays of other religions were adopted to gain more followers. The worship of Mary seemed to be an effort to appease the religion that worshiped the goddess. Everyone knows that Jesus's "birthday" was not on really on December 25th, and yet you hear them say that is what Christmas is all about. We all have the freedom to worship as we choose. I would just ask that if you claim to be a Christian then you should live as one by living according to the teachings of your savior Jesus. Love, forgiveness, kindness, compassion, etc. Stop spreading fear, hate etc. Stop supporting wars. Stop supporting Israel. Stop invading third world countries and assassinating people. Is that too much to ask of a Christian? |
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Oh also, as a Christian I'm very confused about the duties of Christians. Obviously you can't force anyone to obey God because He Himself gave everyone free will, hoping that man might learn to love and serve Him using that free will. And I heard the early Protestants, at least early in terms of early 19th century or whatever, took it upon themselves to execute various punishments on people who did such things as commit adultery within their colonies. So I don't know if Christians are supposed to be completely non-tolerant toward anything the Bible forbids, or if love should be poured on everyone, wicked or no. It's a troubling matter for me because it seems like some sort of double standard or wacky contradiction; God executes judgment but lavishes love on both the deserving and the undeserving. So I dunno.... I am one of those 'christians' who believe in loving sinners, without condoning or loving their sins "love the sinner hate the sin" is a most annoying phrase for those of us who don't look at you or anyone else as a 'sinner'. I personally don't feel I am in any position to label anyone a sinner or anything else for that matter. perhaps if I Said, I love criminals without needing to condone their crimes if someone steals, it is against mans law, and they are by definition a criminal, but that action alone doesnt define them or their soul for me,, so I Can still love THEM, without loving what they DID for me, there are spiritual laws and those who break them are commiting spiritual crime (sin) I can seperate what people choose to do from one moment to the next from who their soul is for eternity,, and love them accordingly I hear ya and I get it...is terms used by many christians, heard it all my life. For me there are spiritual laws also and I strive to live by them. Spiritual laws and religious laws are very very different. Agreed, harming one's soul is something that should be definitively defined, and evident to all. In the religious sect this really isn't the case, the laws are merely laws of man more than laws of a divine being. hmm, it would be interesting to hear the proof of any one THING that is 'evident' to all,,,, When I say evident, I mean has an obvious spiritual consequence that anyone who acts in such a way will feel no matter who they are. Such as murder for example. These are built in, not just presumed because someone says it's bad, that's the difference. |
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Chritianity=hypocrisy for the most part. Warring is okay if it is sanctioned by the Christians. Killing is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Judging all other humans is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Calling all humans sinners is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Etc... So the rules only apply to the those not sanctioned by the Christians....lol Again, free will is non existent in the two major religions in the world. It is a lie told by the creators of the religion so the participants will believe they are willingly choosing to be lead by a nose ring down the yellow brick road. That's pretty much the truth. You can't have free will if you are basically forced into one option by threats. well , what some perceive as threats, others perceive as the reality of action and consequence, and yet others perceive as promises,,, whatever you call them, If I know the road is ending, IM not gonna take it,, whether the person who shared the information meant to threaten me or WARN me,, the truth of the reaction to my choices wont change,,, True but what's more loving, saying do this or die, or......you can choose to do anything you wish, but just understand the consequences of your actions? |
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Actually Christianity piggybacked onto a few already existing holidays and tried to take them over. Christmas is another one. It was an existing holiday for the winter solstice before Christianity even existed. But to see the Christians you would think they "own" it...lol In the forming of Christianity the holidays of other religions were adopted to gain more followers. The worship of Mary seemed to be an effort to appease the religion that worshiped the goddess. Everyone knows that Jesus's "birthday" was not on really on December 25th, and yet you hear them say that is what Christmas is all about. We all have the freedom to worship as we choose. I would just ask that if you claim to be a Christian then you should live as one by living according to the teachings of your savior Jesus. Love, forgiveness, kindness, compassion, etc. Stop spreading fear, hate etc. Stop supporting wars. Stop supporting Israel. Stop invading third world countries and assassinating people. Is that too much to ask of a Christian? I can agree except the creation of Israel was done because of the believe in Christianity though right? The holy land. |
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Actually Christianity piggybacked onto a few already existing holidays and tried to take them over. Christmas is another one. It was an existing holiday for the winter solstice before Christianity even existed. But to see the Christians you would think they "own" it...lol In the forming of Christianity the holidays of other religions were adopted to gain more followers. The worship of Mary seemed to be an effort to appease the religion that worshiped the goddess. Everyone knows that Jesus's "birthday" was not on really on December 25th, and yet you hear them say that is what Christmas is all about. We all have the freedom to worship as we choose. I would just ask that if you claim to be a Christian then you should live as one by living according to the teachings of your savior Jesus. Love, forgiveness, kindness, compassion, etc. Stop spreading fear, hate etc. Stop supporting wars. Stop supporting Israel. Stop invading third world countries and assassinating people. Is that too much to ask of a Christian? I can agree except the creation of Israel was done because of the believe in Christianity though right? The holy land. That's a long story. But I'm sure it has Biblical implications. That's no reason to support Israel. |
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Oh also, as a Christian I'm very confused about the duties of Christians. Obviously you can't force anyone to obey God because He Himself gave everyone free will, hoping that man might learn to love and serve Him using that free will. And I heard the early Protestants, at least early in terms of early 19th century or whatever, took it upon themselves to execute various punishments on people who did such things as commit adultery within their colonies. So I don't know if Christians are supposed to be completely non-tolerant toward anything the Bible forbids, or if love should be poured on everyone, wicked or no. It's a troubling matter for me because it seems like some sort of double standard or wacky contradiction; God executes judgment but lavishes love on both the deserving and the undeserving. So I dunno.... I am one of those 'christians' who believe in loving sinners, without condoning or loving their sins "love the sinner hate the sin" is a most annoying phrase for those of us who don't look at you or anyone else as a 'sinner'. I personally don't feel I am in any position to label anyone a sinner or anything else for that matter. perhaps if I Said, I love criminals without needing to condone their crimes if someone steals, it is against mans law, and they are by definition a criminal, but that action alone doesnt define them or their soul for me,, so I Can still love THEM, without loving what they DID for me, there are spiritual laws and those who break them are commiting spiritual crime (sin) I can seperate what people choose to do from one moment to the next from who their soul is for eternity,, and love them accordingly I hear ya and I get it...is terms used by many christians, heard it all my life. For me there are spiritual laws also and I strive to live by them. Spiritual laws and religious laws are very very different. Agreed, harming one's soul is something that should be definitively defined, and evident to all. In the religious sect this really isn't the case, the laws are merely laws of man more than laws of a divine being. hmm, it would be interesting to hear the proof of any one THING that is 'evident' to all,,,, When I say evident, I mean has an obvious spiritual consequence that anyone who acts in such a way will feel no matter who they are. Such as murder for example. These are built in, not just presumed because someone says it's bad, that's the difference. what is obvious to some is not obvious to others, experience has alot to do with what things we actually OBSERVE and RETAIN,,, |
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sexual tastes, like culinary tastes, can and do go through changes and adaptations what people are 'into' can and does change and adapt none of those things. by themself, can define in absolute terms someones IDENTITY or SOUL I disagree with those who are convinced otherwise, and I feel sad for them, but there would be no need for them to argue it with me YOU DISAGREE with what other other people feel? You KNOW exactly how every homosexual feels about their sexuality? You certainly seem to know a lot more about what other people feel than even those people? AND YOU FEEL SAD FOR THEM - now that's a random act of kindness on your part - does that make you feel good? I bet you're one of those who look at fibromyalgia sufferers and think, they are just hypochondriacs. You see there's absolutely nothing that medical science can find wrong with those people - so quite obviously those people must CHOOSE to ACT they way they do just to try to get disability. Right? There are a lot of diseases for which a cause has not been found that doesn't mean they don't exist. Just becasue you feel like EVERYONE has this sexual chioce does not make it true. So what is the difference between a person having fibromyalgia or a person being gay? You can not possibly know the cause of either so do you think fibro people are lying? perhaps it is a disease then, I would still feel bad for those who let it define them or insist on making others do so Im not sure where the paraphrase about disgreeing with how others feel comes in, I dont recall stating that in this thread, but I do disagree with what others DO and I disagree with others opinions(one TYPE of feeling) on some things I think I did say what people FEEL is something I could never know because alot of times people themself arent sure what they 'feel' and no, it doesnt make me feel good to feel sad,,,is that even possible? |
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sexual tastes, like culinary tastes, can and do go through changes and adaptations what people are 'into' can and does change and adapt none of those things. by themself, can define in absolute terms someones IDENTITY or SOUL I disagree with those who are convinced otherwise, and I feel sad for them, but there would be no need for them to argue it with me YOU DISAGREE with what other other people feel? You KNOW exactly how every homosexual feels about their sexuality? You certainly seem to know a lot more about what other people feel than even those people? AND YOU FEEL SAD FOR THEM - now that's a random act of kindness on your part - does that make you feel good? I bet you're one of those who look at fibromyalgia sufferers and think, they are just hypochondriacs. You see there's absolutely nothing that medical science can find wrong with those people - so quite obviously those people must CHOOSE to ACT they way they do just to try to get disability. Right? There are a lot of diseases for which a cause has not been found that doesn't mean they don't exist. Just becasue you feel like EVERYONE has this sexual chioce does not make it true. So what is the difference between a person having fibromyalgia or a person being gay? You can not possibly know the cause of either so do you think fibro people are lying? the difference, I would imagine, is one affects the physical BODY in a way that causes PHYSICAL pain, and one affects the emotions and influences the behaviors both , are sad if they define a persons self identity |
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Chritianity=hypocrisy for the most part. Warring is okay if it is sanctioned by the Christians. Killing is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Judging all other humans is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Calling all humans sinners is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Etc... So the rules only apply to the those not sanctioned by the Christians....lol Again, free will is non existent in the two major religions in the world. It is a lie told by the creators of the religion so the participants will believe they are willingly choosing to be lead by a nose ring down the yellow brick road. That's pretty much the truth. You can't have free will if you are basically forced into one option by threats. well , what some perceive as threats, others perceive as the reality of action and consequence, and yet others perceive as promises,,, whatever you call them, If I know the road is ending, IM not gonna take it,, whether the person who shared the information meant to threaten me or WARN me,, the truth of the reaction to my choices wont change,,, True but what's more loving, saying do this or die, or......you can choose to do anything you wish, but just understand the consequences of your actions? what is the difference, except one is a bit more detailed than the other its no more or less loving for me to say, lose weight or you are going to die, than it is for me to say, keep eating but be aware of the consequences,,, heck, perhaps I could even say both to someone I truly loved and were close to |
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People claim that this nation is mostly Christian and founded on Christianity. They claim to be a Nation "under God." Christians want the ten commandments displayed in the courthouse. They are mad because public praying to Jesus was taken out of the schools. And they are the most waring country in the world. They assassinate people in their homes. They chant "Nuke them all!" They invade and bomb third world countries. They call themselves Christians. They spread democracy like they spread Christianity in the olden days... by force. Okay I'm calling them on that claim. If they are Christians, then they should follow the teachings of peace and forgiveness given to them by their savior. Or else they should stop calling themselves Christians. That is the bottom line. Yep, have to agree with that, either you are or you arnt. no two ways about if. Well at least as far as I can see. |
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sexual tastes, like culinary tastes, can and do go through changes and adaptations what people are 'into' can and does change and adapt none of those things. by themself, can define in absolute terms someones IDENTITY or SOUL I disagree with those who are convinced otherwise, and I feel sad for them, but there would be no need for them to argue it with me YOU DISAGREE with what other other people feel? You KNOW exactly how every homosexual feels about their sexuality? You certainly seem to know a lot more about what other people feel than even those people? AND YOU FEEL SAD FOR THEM - now that's a random act of kindness on your part - does that make you feel good? I bet you're one of those who look at fibromyalgia sufferers and think, they are just hypochondriacs. You see there's absolutely nothing that medical science can find wrong with those people - so quite obviously those people must CHOOSE to ACT they way they do just to try to get disability. Right? There are a lot of diseases for which a cause has not been found that doesn't mean they don't exist. Just becasue you feel like EVERYONE has this sexual chioce does not make it true. So what is the difference between a person having fibromyalgia or a person being gay? You can not possibly know the cause of either so do you think fibro people are lying? the difference, I would imagine, is one affects the physical BODY in a way that causes PHYSICAL pain, and one affects the emotions and influences the behaviors both , are sad if they define a persons self identity If you're straight though, it's still a part of who you are. You can't just on a whim decide to be attracted to girls can you? It's rather unfair to expect them to do something that even you yourself cannot do. By saying, there's something with them, you are suggesting that they can change who they are attracted to in the physical, when in reality that really isn't quite true. |
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Chritianity=hypocrisy for the most part. Warring is okay if it is sanctioned by the Christians. Killing is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Judging all other humans is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Calling all humans sinners is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Etc... So the rules only apply to the those not sanctioned by the Christians....lol Again, free will is non existent in the two major religions in the world. It is a lie told by the creators of the religion so the participants will believe they are willingly choosing to be lead by a nose ring down the yellow brick road. That's pretty much the truth. You can't have free will if you are basically forced into one option by threats. well , what some perceive as threats, others perceive as the reality of action and consequence, and yet others perceive as promises,,, whatever you call them, If I know the road is ending, IM not gonna take it,, whether the person who shared the information meant to threaten me or WARN me,, the truth of the reaction to my choices wont change,,, True but what's more loving, saying do this or die, or......you can choose to do anything you wish, but just understand the consequences of your actions? what is the difference, except one is a bit more detailed than the other its no more or less loving for me to say, lose weight or you are going to die, than it is for me to say, keep eating but be aware of the consequences,,, heck, perhaps I could even say both to someone I truly loved and were close to That's different though, it's an obvious physical consequence. You cannot say the same of the spiritual. It can be assumed but it can't be proven. |
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