People claim that this nation is mostly Christian and founded on Christianity. They claim to be a Nation "under God." Christians want the ten commandments displayed in the courthouse. They are mad because public praying to Jesus was taken out of the schools.

And they are the most waring country in the world. They assassinate people in their homes. They chant "Nuke them all!" They invade and bomb third world countries. They call themselves Christians. They spread democracy like they spread Christianity in the olden days... by force.

Okay I'm calling them on that claim. If they are Christians, then they should follow the teachings of peace and forgiveness given to them by their savior.

Or else they should stop calling themselves Christians.

That is the bottom line.

I myself am a Christian and understand that plenty of people in fact refer to themselves as Christians but are not genuine because A) they base it off tradition or how they were raised, B) their faith is false and not true, true faith is begun by Jesus and not man, and C) people will do whatever they think is the fad. I don't know if Christianity is a fad right now but i do know this country was founded on the belief systems and morals of Christianity, I mean even our forefathers who wrote the Declaration of Independence professed faith and belief in God, at least a number of them did. But look at our country now, it's absolutely immoral and sinful. We're no better than the Iraguies or however it's spelled who wage war against us.

Oh also, as a Christian I'm very confused about the duties of Christians. Obviously you can't force anyone to obey God because He Himself gave everyone free will, hoping that man might learn to love and serve Him using that free will. And I heard the early Protestants, at least early in terms of early 19th century or whatever, took it upon themselves to execute various punishments on people who did such things as commit adultery within their colonies. So I don't know if Christians are supposed to be completely non-tolerant toward anything the Bible forbids, or if love should be poured on everyone, wicked or no. It's a troubling matter for me because it seems like some sort of double standard or wacky contradiction; God executes judgment but lavishes love on both the deserving and the undeserving. So I dunno....

A belief in God does not necessarily imply a belief in "Christianity". Moreover, it's crystal clear that the founder of this country were far more interested in FREEDOM than they were in "religion".



Well, I'll grant you that as a nation collectively the USA isn't any better than any other country.

However, when it comes to individual people I disagree that people in our country are "immoral" and "sinful" in general. Although I guess a lot of couples "cheat" on their mates. Why that is I don't know. I guess people get stuck in relationships and don't know how to deal with their problems in honest ways. In fact, the religious values of Christianity probably actually contribute to that problem far more than any other single factor.

People end up getting "married" for all the wrong reasons mainly because of these religious stigmas.

But overall, there are far more honest and decent people in the USA (and in the world in general) than there are immoral people. You can be thanking for that! Because if that wasn't true the world would be FAR MORE dangerous than it actually is.

Of course, having said that I'm sure there are "trouble spots" especially in large cities.

But actually those trouble spots are truly small compared with the overall GLOBE.

MOST humans are Good people. By an overwhelming majority.

The idea that most people are corrupt, immoral, or "sinners" is a Christian MYTH perpetrated by Christians themselves.

In fact, if they could have their way EVERYONE would be a "sinner" without exception!

I am one of those 'christians' who believe in loving sinners, without condoning or loving their sins

Many gay people will argue with you that you can't do that in their case, because gay is what they are. You can't seperate what you deem to be a 'sin' from the person.

If you claim that you don't condone them being 'gay' then you are outright saying that you don't condone who they are.

Period.

Because you are in denial that "what" they are and "who" they are is inseparable. You're trying to 'separate' what they are, from who they are, when that distinction simply isn't possible.

You can't condone and love them whilst simultaneously refusing to condone and love what they are. Because what they are is the very same thing as who they are. There's no separating it.

because I disagree with you doesnt mean I am in denial of anything

I view humans as too complex to be DEFINED by any one thing they feel or any thing they choose to do

sexual tastes, like culinary tastes, can and do go through changes and adaptations

what people are 'into' can and does change and adapt

none of those things. by themself, can define in absolute terms someones IDENTITY or SOUL

I disagree with those who are convinced otherwise, and I feel sad for them, but there would be no need for them to argue it with me

if they chose to seperate from me for not condoning something they DO,,than I still wish them peace,,,


most people who love me, have no clue what my SEXUAL tastes are , nor do I feel a need for them too, yet they know who I Am,, because I am , indeed, MUCH MORE than merely my sexual tastes,,,


likewise, if I am not somoenes lover, they should feel absolutely no requirement or make any requirement on me to accept or condone their sexual life,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgcSVZoVe5U&feature=fvwrel

my newly returned home son has confiscated my speakers, so youtube is not currently an option,,,

check out the one in good guys or bad guys thread in general...you dont really need speakers to figure that one out

oh, ewww

,more behind than I ever wanted to see,,,,,eww

i don't think madeline kahn was checking out their behinds

"love the sinner hate the sin" is a most annoying phrase for those
of us who don't look at you or anyone else as a 'sinner'. I personally don't feel I am in any position to label anyone a sinner
or anything else for that matter.

perhaps if I Said, I love criminals without needing to condone their crimes

if someone steals, it is against mans law, and they are by definition a criminal, but that action alone doesnt define them or their soul for me,, so I Can still love THEM, without loving what they DID


for me, there are spiritual laws and those who break them are commiting spiritual crime (sin)

I can seperate what people choose to do from one moment to the next from who their soul is for eternity,, and love them accordingly

I hear ya and I get it...is terms used by many christians, heard it all my life.
For me there are spiritual laws also and I strive to live by them.
Spiritual laws and religious laws are very very different.

clearly a contradiction ...since the criminal behavior is part of that which makes up the essence of the soul (religious lingo)...you can't love one without loving and condoning the other

pretty sure Eva Peron used the same reasoning dealing with Hilter...when he's not murdering 6 million Jews he's a pretty nice guy

Agreed, harming one's soul is something that should be definitively defined, and evident to all. In the religious sect this really isn't the case, the laws are merely laws of man more than laws of a divine being.

Please don't take offense Christians, but I have a few major issues with mainstream Christianity. Here is one, and to be honest it makes me laugh now because it's so ridiculous. The church celebrates Easter! Ha ha. Easter is the name of a detestable pagan god that is written about in the old testament! Only in the Old Testament it comes under the title Ashtarte or Ishtar, over the years it taken on many names... Easter being one! The second amusing part about all of this is that the Passover gets ignored, a festival set by God. Yet a pagan god has taken it's place.
Has any Christian heard of the Talmud? Look it up. Every Christian should be taught about it seeing it's what Yeshua (Jesus) talked against so much, but false teaching says Yeshua taken away the Law of Moses when was opposed to that idea. In fact he said those that taught even the slightest bit against following any of the Law would be the least in Heaven.
Sorry, I only meant to put a small comment on.

Chritianity=hypocrisy for the most part.

Warring is okay if it is sanctioned by the Christians. Killing is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Judging all other humans is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Calling all humans sinners is okay if sanctioned by the Christians. Etc...

So the rules only apply to the those not sanctioned by the Christians....lol

Again, free will is non existent in the two major religions in the world. It is a lie told by the creators of the religion so the participants will believe they are willingly choosing to be lead by a nose ring down the yellow brick road.

That's pretty much the truth. You can't have free will if you are basically forced into one option by threats.