women should always pay, especially for the beers...

Good idea. I was thinking more about the very first few dates or the first date. You may or may not want to continue dating and if not, then you don't want to buy tickets for a future event.

I'm thinking that you should know the guy a bit better before embarking on a full fledged "date" that might cost a lot of time and money.

So a lunch or coffee in the middle of the day might be a great idea. Whoever invites can pay unless they agree otherwise.

Okay but I'll expect you to dance with me and have sex if I want it.

I hear you on the first dates I normally always throw in a suggestion of appetizers or even just a place to get a drink coffee ect.... and where we can talk... and even suggest dutch..... heck it does not bother me to pay my own way.

Then if we actually go on another date and they want to pick it up that is fine...

To me we are all looking and don't want to go broke over the issue or feel that we are being taken advantage of.... so share the bill and enjoy the lunch if it goes farther then rotate who pays if they wish too.....

I always made sure I at least had money to call a cab.

soufiehere,

If they asked you out and then suggested or hinted that you pay, they might be a gigolo. If not, then they just might be a pampas a$$.

Really? You insist? Even if you were asked as a guest? What if he takes you to a very expensive place and you really can't afford it?

He might take it that you are not interested in him. What if you are interested and then he never calls you back because he thinks you aren't?

Yes I like that very much Wux.

I don't get why insisting on paying for herself would indicate she's not interested. I'm sure some men think that, but it just doesn't make sense based only on her paying for herself.

I know there are men who constantly keep track of what they do for you, what they spend on you and how much sex you owe them for it. I have seen these men in action.

I had a good friend with a man-friend that did this to her. He would mow her lawn and take out her trash and expect or want sex in return for his labor. She would complain to me about this.

I suggested (of course) that she break up with him but that was not going to happen, so I suggested that she keep a running total of all the things he did for her and what the market value for them was so she could figure out how much she was selling her sex for.

She didn't do that either because she didn't want to think of herself as selling sex. But that is basically what she was doing. They were not married, and she didn't want to get married and she did not like that much sex.

Why in blazes would an idiot assume he's going to get a piece just because he paid for a date?
He'd be better off just buying a hooker and saving a waste of time and money.

Footing the bill for an evening out, does not entitle anybody to anything and anyone who assumes that is acting more like a primate. It is supposed to be a courting courtesy. Graciously offered and graciously accepted...nothing more.

If the evening out is to be "Dutch Treat", then it should be agreed upon before hand and that is usually relegated to simple "friends" going out. It does not necessarily constitute a "date".

In this age, a woman may ask a man out for dinner/date (or whatever you want to call it) and it's perfectly legitimate. It does not insinuate in anyway that someone is seeking an intimate encounter.

whoever just got paid...........


go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just went out on a date with someone I have known for about 6 months or so...a lil longer, and he still insists on paying for everything...and there was no after dinner sex.....just great conversation and a lot of good hard laughs....

I offered to pay my way own dinner..or at least leave the tip, or pay for drinks, but he refused. so I guess it depends on the man. Some still enjoy showing chivlary...

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In this modern age it seems that tradition has given way to something different and not entirely better. I believe that the whole "Independent woman" movement has spawned the expectation from some men that a woman who can pay her way, may want to, or should. Those who cannot, can be seen as the opposite i.e. dependent/needy and therefore willing or expecting to put out. Not for the meal but probably the prospect of being provided for on a onetime or ongoing basis. Truthfully, there are many woman of unfortunate circumstances that are looking for just that, and they have a following.

Too often we men are left to assume these things because we are expected to know how to treat a woman. Unfortunately for us, different woman want and need to be treated differently.

Lesson one; Ask questions, be subtle when need be, but ask. Making the wrong assumptions can lead to disaster.

If two people have a fighting chance of having something meaningful it would be as a result of each learning the about other person. if its going to be good it will take time and patience.If the other party seems too hasty to get to "Know" you and not about you, then that should say a whole lot.

hookers are more expensive, but a time saver... dinner is about 50-100 dollars, a good hooker is 200-300 dollars....

But hookers are a sure thing. And they are professionals. A man does not pay a professional just for sex. He is paying for her time, expertise, and for her to go away afterwards with no strings attached.

If you are a player and just trying to see how many women you can get into bed you run the risk of hurting a lot of people, catching a disease etc.

If you are a man looking for a wife or LTR you should learn a few manners, be honest and respectful. In other words, grow up and be a man.

I think whoever asked who out are the ones who should pay so if the guy asks then he pays and vice versa. unless the other one offers then let them haha

NO NO NO!

Then you might get into a fight about who pays.