Erm what exactly you say, Simone? Krupa is willing to bring out the big gun to impress the lady for a second date?

"But all for just ONE THING to get laid..." You are right, as an organ it has very limited and predictable uses only. Most of the time it is unemployed. Mine works more like a faucet a lot of its working hours, and only very seldom as a fountain of life, or a reasonable facsimile thereof. And no, that's just an expression, you CAN'T in reality reason with it.

So... if the meal costs at least as much to him as the sitter to you... and he expects sex for that... then he is also paying for a sitter, ain't he. Depending on his idea of what's the proper way of making beautiful pleasureful love.

Also, everybody would be still at the same money, or value for it, and the whole triple-exchange would boost the economy -- more fun for for the entire nation, too.

One thing can ruin this effect: If the sitter for your baby is his daughter. Or worse, if the two of you are already married, and you would put out without even a meal.

That would mean you are stealing the taxpayer's money, and ruining the nation at the same time. -- On a grander scale of economy.

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Jesus Christ, people, I am joking -- if you catch anyone on this site who takes my utterances seriously, please notify the authorities.

yes he pays, no sex



but I also do not ask men out for a first date - as as he would have to invite me, I would expect that he would pay if he invites

I would not offer to pay but I might offer to tip or buy a round of drinks

if I've known him for awhile and I ask him out like for his birthday, I would expect to pay...

What happened to the good old days, when a filthy rich young woman would pick up a guy, as ugly even as a toad, pay a total makeover for him, a species-exchange operation even, and marry him?

I pay my own way.



In everything....in personal responsibility, choice, and decisions.


If I want to have sex with a first date...then I will...if he is willing..

if I don't want to...I won't.


I seek equality...why would I then try to hide behind some chivalrous myth...and allow someone the expectations that I am comfortable with less than equitable?

guess she's gotta fall in love with you first - so rely on your charm


truthfully I look at the above as guidelines only - every situation is different and I think being rigid to rules is often self defeating

Yet another very intelligent perspective on this.

Millions fall in love with me on a daily basis, yet unfortunately they are unaware of that.

Bummer. (I wish.)

You don't ask men out, so if you go out, he has to ask you. And you don't offer to pay if he asks you out. You've got it all worked out so you'll never have to pay, huh?

well not really singme. because circumstances usually arise where I at least offer to contribute, and sometimes, tho rarely, circumstances occur where I might invite a man somewhere (usually if I need an escort for something specific) and then I would expect to pay - at least for most of it. (and often do not consider it a "real" date).

As I said, I don't think it's a good idea to be rigid so there is wiggle room, but you are correct to a degree because it would be the exception where I'd ask a guy out.

I am prolly a lot older than u and I have what we call around here "old school expectations" and for reasons of my own I feel that those values are what suits me

we may be total opposites & jess & navy also in this matter, but each one of us In my thinking has to live at our individual comfort level - what works for you & makes you happy

On a first date? If he's asking me out I'm assuming he pays.

If we continue- I have offered to pay at different times

I don't have a problem sharing the cost.

Oh, I am a firm believer in equality and Women's Lib and all that crap...yet I don't see a whole lot of women volunteering to pay for the whole date....they may offer to pay for thier share (and that IS cool) BUT, they aint willing to splurge for dinner, movie/theatre, drinks and dancing for BOTH people...(unless you use the old "I forgot my wallet" ploy)....but, women don't bat an eye when you spend your whole paycheck on them.....(I have...but, I ain't all that bright)

You know why you should never date a woman that you meet at a laundry mat? Cause if she can't afford a washer and dryer then there is no way she can support you. (just a Man joke so don't bother with the hate mail)

...i do not feel that paying for dinner entiltles me to want sex,in this day and age as rampant as STDS are i prefer to get to know someone before i would be willing to sleep with them..if i ask someone out ..it is a given that i will pay ..if she insist on paying half or all then i'm o.k with that too..as long as she doesn't expect me to put out either..it's all about equality ..and to me that's fair..and nothing less should be expected...

Ha! I think that waking up entitles me to a shot at everything...including sex.

If you guys are going out with absolutely no willingness to have sex and just want to talk....internet dating is perfect!

Somehow, these days, pleasures of flesh is a terrible thing....I don't get it. I always thought that dating was getting to know someone, enjoying thier company and screwing each others brains out.....If I wanna just hang out...I do that with my friends.

You date the wrong chicks Texan...

I have paid for whole dates, happily, especially when it is an awesome band we want to see...and driven the 300 or so kms, AND organised 3 kids, all my animals, and taken time off work..unpaid.

I do what I want to do...and don't really think too much about who owes what to whom.

If he insists on paying...if he absolutely MUST..or his whole being will shatter into a million shards...

then I usually bring along a dustpan and brush.

Very cool...but, after arranging child/animal care, driving 300 km (I guess that is a long way), and enjoying an evening of good music and good company away from your standard life.....is sex an option on the table?

Absolutely!...and it's just over 200 miles)

I also don't have any prissy hangups...and am not scouting the universe for 'mr join me at the hip for ever and ever'...

I'm an adult woman...I get to do what I like.

I don't care what anyone says...we all know within 60 seconds if we COULD have sex with a person we meet...it's an instant...yes, or no.

and if it is not...then I will share with them, it's a no to sex....not in the first 60 seconds...but resonably soon into the date.

I expect the same, so why would I be less?