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I found this to be a very interesting article.
http://www.slge.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7B22748FDE-C3B8-4E10-83D0-959386E5C1A4%7D&DE=%7BBD1EB9E6-79DA-42C7-A47E-5D4FA1280C0B%7D It's about comparisons between public and private sector compensation. I thought it made some very interesting points. |
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Reckon not.
The last link of yours that I followed 'binked' my firewall. Someone or some program attempted a 'back hack'... Why not simply give me your 'take' on it... Then I can find my own site to verify what you have said. |
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Would someone PLEASE tell me exactly who the Fat Cats are we are supposed to revile???
I know to hate Sorros for a host of reasons! Ted Turner too! But who are these fat Cats some people keep tossing around? |
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Why not simply give me your 'take' on it... " you should actually attempt to follow my reasoning and check where the facts should be... You will find them." |
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Interesting that we are supposed to hate the 'fat cat' who made themselves 'rich' by their own labor.
and ignore the 'fat cats' who make themselves 'rich' by parasiting off the labors of others. Wonder when Union rank and file will realize that they have been the labor behind the enrichment of a few at the expense of the many (and the fleecing of themselves). |
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Would someone PLEASE tell me exactly who the Fat Cats are we are supposed to revile??? This may be a decent place to start. http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/the-anti-union-network/home/aboput half-way down is a list of the front groups tat we are all familiar with. This is a good FAQ about the $2 trillion union-buster industry: http://www.americanrightsatwork.org/the-anti-union-network/for-profit-union-busters/unionbusters-101.html |
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Some part of the 'Union' system NEEDS to be busted.
Not the members and the necessary 'protection' such members get from being a part of a group of working citizens. Rather that part which is 'leaching' a living off of those members... I became very wary of Unions when I noticed that Union 'executives' lived just like the Corporate 'executives'... I became further suspicious when I realized that Union 'control' groups were as far or further involved in politics as were the 'corporations'. I have no problems with Unions at local communities. However Unions 'systems' that exist at national and international levels do not have the best interest of their members as 'goals'... They have the interests of their 'corporate executives'. |
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I became very wary of Unions when I noticed that Union 'executives' lived just like the Corporate 'executives'... Wouldn't that be fitting with one-to-one bargaining counter-parts?
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I became very wary of Unions when I noticed that Union 'executives' lived just like the Corporate 'executives'... Wouldn't that be fitting with one-to-one bargaining counter-parts? What would be fitting is if the UNION rank and file focused a bit of their energy on the other half of the equation... Unions came into being to fight exploitation of the worker... Time to fight that 'exploitation' again... and a portion of the exploitation exists within the upper structure of the Unions they are members of. Legislation will not 'fix' that... Only the workers united will. |
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Edited by
Bestinshow
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Sat 02/19/11 04:29 AM
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Some part of the 'Union' system NEEDS to be busted. Not the members and the necessary 'protection' such members get from being a part of a group of working citizens. Rather that part which is 'leaching' a living off of those members... I became very wary of Unions when I noticed that Union 'executives' lived just like the Corporate 'executives'... I became further suspicious when I realized that Union 'control' groups were as far or further involved in politics as were the 'corporations'. I have no problems with Unions at local communities. However Unions 'systems' that exist at national and international levels do not have the best interest of their members as 'goals'... They have the interests of their 'corporate executives'.  regardless the only group that will stick up for the rights of the workers are t he unions and its up to each local to elect people of principal.
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Edited by
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them.
1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? |
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Why not simply give me your 'take' on it... " you should actually attempt to follow my reasoning and check where the facts should be... You will find them." Your 'reasoning' as stated in that post is non-existant. You simply posted a link to someone elses 'reasoning'. 
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Edited by
artlo
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Sat 02/19/11 10:31 AM
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You simply posted a link to someone elses 'reasoning'. Well, there ya go! Actually, here's the original URL: http://www.slge.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7B22748FDE-C3B8-4E10-83D0-959386E5C1A4%7D&DE=%7BBD1EB9E6-79DA-42C7-A47E-5D4FA1280C0B%7D |
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them. 1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? I guess actual facts of what a Union is for does not fit the Repuplicans agenda. the 2 classes of people they have been getting over the years. The poor and the rich.. the rulers and the slaves? |
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them. 1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? I guess actual facts of what a Union is for does not fit the Repuplicans agenda. the 2 classes of people they have been getting over the years. The poor and the rich.. the rulers and the slaves? that sir, is pure propaganda. Republicans have throughout their history done as much for the american situation as the Democrats have... and you know it. so I must assume that you either work for one of the extremes that is trying to eat this country... Or you are making money from the chaos. |
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them. 1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? I guess actual facts of what a Union is for does not fit the Repuplicans agenda. the 2 classes of people they have been getting over the years. The poor and the rich.. the rulers and the slaves? that sir, is pure propaganda. Republicans have throughout their history done as much for the american situation as the Democrats have... and you know it. so I must assume that you either work for one of the extremes that is trying to eat this country... Or you are making money from the chaos. No the Repuplicans got us into this mess. they have always been pro RICH.. give to the rich and they will create jobs. Reagonomics 101. they have always hated UNIONS because they say the American worker should be happy with having any job at whatever pay a company decides ( Rich Rule) Democrats have always been for the common man to live with respect from thier Employers by better pay and benefits. Democrats Unionize . Repuplicans no Unions |
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them. 1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? My mom always referred her employees to their rep if they felt there was a problem. I think its a great system to have in place when being ran properly. |
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I worked for IBEW #2 and the company I worked for wanted the Union it actually made things easier on them. 1. senority ruled because each job has a minimum job description. telling each and every one of us what training we need if we want to advance to a different one. you have the these qualification and are the senior person. then the jobs yours. if u can not handle it then it bids again. this brought about no fighting about who got a job. it also assured u if u tried to better yourself eventually u will probally get the job u have your eye on. noone stepping over your toes at the last minute fresh out of college. 2. Grievances the worker was protected esp. on safety issues where the boss would say do it and the employee felt it was unsafe we had an avenue to feel safe we would not be fired if we refused. non union what do they do if the Boss says do it or else? 3. Disciplines . anything that was going in your work history you had a representive of the Union as a witness of whats said and done. then from thier if a grievence is decided to be filed against the company or boss well then management if they were real azzes might think twice when this went before his bosses to look at how and why he was dispininaring an employee. . the company I worked for like this because it took frivolous Lawsuits off thier back. discrimination ect. everything was documented. the company had the rules and the Union monitored them by the input of the members. And like I said before safety issues that were brought up were really looked into by committees of the dept. safety committee to fix whatever a employee had concerns with. no do it or else with feaqr for your jobor life for that matter. 4. contracts were delt with upper management and our representives and u know our salaries were not the problem. a little on benefits but mainly trying to stretch the working rules. like. showing up on jobsites 40 miles away instead of 15 or 25. it was usually the working rules being hashed out. The company was descent and we respected them and they respected us and the UNION was the arbitrator between us to make us feel we can speak our minds and not get demoted ,fired or even killed over fear of doing something unsafe. Unions are at the Heart of what DEMOCRACY is about. are those points not about the same in our system of Govt.? My mom always referred her employees to their rep if they felt there was a problem. I think its a great system to have in place when being ran properly. absolutely 
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Would someone PLEASE tell me exactly who the Fat Cats are we are supposed to revile??? I know to hate Sorros for a host of reasons! Ted Turner too! But who are these fat Cats some people keep tossing around? Sorros was the top donator to charities of the top 50 richest Americans. At least he is giving back. |
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Some part of the 'Union' system NEEDS to be busted. Not the members and the necessary 'protection' such members get from being a part of a group of working citizens. Rather that part which is 'leaching' a living off of those members... I became very wary of Unions when I noticed that Union 'executives' lived just like the Corporate 'executives'... I became further suspicious when I realized that Union 'control' groups were as far or further involved in politics as were the 'corporations'. I have no problems with Unions at local communities. However Unions 'systems' that exist at national and international levels do not have the best interest of their members as 'goals'... They have the interests of their 'corporate executives'. The woman in charge of the SECIU, the one protesting in Wis., makes $148k. That is not like most corporate ececutives. |
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