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| Topic: NYC Sanitation workers are guilty of manslaughter | |
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Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest
People (including a newborn infant) died in this snow storm, because the roads weren't clear. We need to find out who organized the protest and those who didn't clear routes on which people died and have them prosecuted for manslaughter. NYC employees repeatedly damaged a Ford Explorer, while people were screaming at them to stop and then they tried to leave the scene of the accident. Ironically, the explorer was a government vihicle, so that those who did the damage were paid by Tax payers to do it and the cost of fixing the damage will also be paid by tax payers. We need to get the government out of this sort of work. No private company would have pulled this crap, because they would have lost their contract over it. If there is someone in the phone book who offers the service, then government employees shouldn't be doing it. |
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People always die during blizzards. Its not a new thing to be outraged by.
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People always die during blizzards. Its not a new thing to be outraged by. When city workers don't do their jobs, because they want more money and people die because of it...it is worthy of outrage. Who comes out in defense of negligent, lazy people who collect a paycheck, but don't do any work? |
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The article you posted said they worked 14 hour shifts. That sounds like alot of work going on espically while plowing snow.
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The article you posted said they worked 14 hour shifts. That sounds like alot of work going on espically while plowing snow. Five people, three workers and two superviors: They were told [by supervisors] to take off routes [and] not do the plowing of some of the major arteries in a timely manner. They were told to make the mayor pay for the layoffs, the reductions in rank for the supervisors, shrinking the rolls of the rank-and-file. So you can believe the guy who could be in a lot of trouble, I'll side with the five people who reported a crime. |
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People always die during blizzards. Its not a new thing to be outraged by. When city workers don't do their jobs, because they want more money and people die because of it...it is worthy of outrage. Who comes out in defense of negligent, lazy people who collect a paycheck, but don't do any work? Actually, this describes the govt. perfectly!! |
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People always die during blizzards. Its not a new thing to be outraged by. Sadly this is true. |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it
grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, |
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Personaly I will wait for the Jury to be out on this. If they have a case great but I suspect (unidentified sources) are not all that reliable and the media loves a story like this and will give it leggs when none exist. Mayor Bloomburg? isnt he the guy who owns a media source?
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? its a choice to take her on unclear roads,, rather than deliver the baby where it was(it happens to be a pretty natural process) |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? its a choice to take her on unclear roads,, rather than deliver the baby where it was(it happens to be a pretty natural process) Maybe it would help, if you actually read the article. She delivered the baby where she was, but it wasn't healthy and needed to be in the hospital. NINE HOURS after she called 911, the baby died. No Ambulance could get to her, because the roads were snowy. |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? its a choice to take her on unclear roads,, rather than deliver the baby where it was(it happens to be a pretty natural process) Maybe it would help, if you actually read the article. She delivered the baby where she was, but it wasn't healthy and needed to be in the hospital. NINE HOURS after she called 911, the baby died. No Ambulance could get to her, because the roads were snowy. its tragic, but as I said, there were plenty of people available to clear the roads if those employed chose not to people should be able to be fired for not going to work, but not criminally prosecuted |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? its a choice to take her on unclear roads,, rather than deliver the baby where it was(it happens to be a pretty natural process) Maybe it would help, if you actually read the article. She delivered the baby where she was, but it wasn't healthy and needed to be in the hospital. NINE HOURS after she called 911, the baby died. No Ambulance could get to her, because the roads were snowy. its tragic, but as I said, there were plenty of people available to clear the roads if those employed chose not to people should be able to be fired for not going to work, but not criminally prosecuted You are just dedicated to not reading that article. The drivers WENT TO WORK. They just didn't DO MUCH WORK. And the work they did was intentionally shoddy (by not lowering the plow to the road). There is a picture in the article of one driver sleeping in his snow plow. But whatever. I find it hilarious that there are people who think that someone who intentionally doesn't do their job shouldn't be held responsible for the consequence. Especially when it's a government employee. |
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Anyone who has not plowed snow should try it before they open their mouths. The snow was falling and blowing so fast during that storm that it was nearly impossible to keep ahead of it. Add to that the people that were out driving in the storm that had no business being on the road. The minute the snow stopped, giving the plows a chance to catch up, every idiot started driving around. Within an hour of the end of the snow fall, I saw people taking there children sleigh riding on the exit ramp for two major highways making it near impossible to clear the roadways for traffic.
As for the video which everyone has seen by now, that machine was being towed by a " Private contractor" and under the slippery conditions, being towed in reverse that operator didn't have a chance. As for him not stopping "while people were yelling at him", the guy doing the yelling was the guy taking the video from six stories above him. He didn't hear a thing. Perhaps you should keep your mouth shut and give the guys a break. They are out there working long hours in terrible conditions so you can get out and drive to work. Do you think it's easy to take on Mother Nature while having to deal with ungrateful idiots who get in your way and make your job even harder. |
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Anyone who has not plowed snow should try it before they open their mouths. The snow was falling and blowing so fast during that storm that it was nearly impossible to keep ahead of it. Add to that the people that were out driving in the storm that had no business being on the road. The minute the snow stopped, giving the plows a chance to catch up, every idiot started driving around. Within an hour of the end of the snow fall, I saw people taking there children sleigh riding on the exit ramp for two major highways making it near impossible to clear the roadways for traffic. As for the video which everyone has seen by now, that machine was being towed by a " Private contractor" and under the slippery conditions, being towed in reverse that operator didn't have a chance. As for him not stopping "while people were yelling at him", the guy doing the yelling was the guy taking the video from six stories above him. He didn't hear a thing. Perhaps you should keep your mouth shut and give the guys a break. They are out there working long hours in terrible conditions so you can get out and drive to work. Do you think it's easy to take on Mother Nature while having to deal with ungrateful idiots who get in your way and make your job even harder. lol...good job |
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seems in this economy, there were plenty of unemployed that would have done it grounds for firing , but hardly for prosecuting, especially since BEING on unclear roads is a conscious choice not forced upon anyone,,,, So it's a "choice" for an Ambulance to pick up a woman giving birth in a lobby? I thought that emergency services were for...emergencies? its a choice to take her on unclear roads,, rather than deliver the baby where it was(it happens to be a pretty natural process) Maybe it would help, if you actually read the article. She delivered the baby where she was, but it wasn't healthy and needed to be in the hospital. NINE HOURS after she called 911, the baby died. No Ambulance could get to her, because the roads were snowy. its tragic, but as I said, there were plenty of people available to clear the roads if those employed chose not to people should be able to be fired for not going to work, but not criminally prosecuted You are just dedicated to not reading that article. The drivers WENT TO WORK. They just didn't DO MUCH WORK. And the work they did was intentionally shoddy (by not lowering the plow to the road). There is a picture in the article of one driver sleeping in his snow plow. But whatever. I find it hilarious that there are people who think that someone who intentionally doesn't do their job shouldn't be held responsible for the consequence. Especially when it's a government employee. the consequence for not working is getting FIRED, not imprisoned |
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Anyone who has not plowed snow should try it before they open their mouths. The snow was falling and blowing so fast during that storm that it was nearly impossible to keep ahead of it. Add to that the people that were out driving in the storm that had no business being on the road. The minute the snow stopped, giving the plows a chance to catch up, every idiot started driving around. Within an hour of the end of the snow fall, I saw people taking there children sleigh riding on the exit ramp for two major highways making it near impossible to clear the roadways for traffic. As for the video which everyone has seen by now, that machine was being towed by a " Private contractor" and under the slippery conditions, being towed in reverse that operator didn't have a chance. As for him not stopping "while people were yelling at him", the guy doing the yelling was the guy taking the video from six stories above him. He didn't hear a thing. Perhaps you should keep your mouth shut and give the guys a break. They are out there working long hours in terrible conditions so you can get out and drive to work. Do you think it's easy to take on Mother Nature while having to deal with ungrateful idiots who get in your way and make your job even harder. Except for the 5 guys who reported that they were told to not to their jobs, right? They were just lying for no reason, while everyone else was working their butts off? And on the video, you can hear a woman standing on the street yelling at the CITY WORKERS who are tearing up a car for no reason. Then a small crowd of people come off the sidewalk to yell at the CITY WORKERS. The driver of the front end loader should have just used his bucket to push it out of the snow. |
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Edited by
Spidercmb
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Fri 12/31/10 01:20 PM
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the consequence for not working is getting FIRED, not imprisoned Really? What is criminal negligence? Criminal Negligence Criminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence. Proof of that mental state requires that the failure to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur must be a gross deviation from the standard of a reasonable person. Criminal negligence is conduct which is such a departure from what would be that of an ordinary prudent or careful person in the same circumstance as to be incompatible with a proper regard for human life or an indifference to consequences. Criminal negligence is negligence that is aggravated, culpable or gross. The following is an example of one state's statute defining criminal negligence: ''A person acts with 'criminal negligence' with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.'' |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Fri 12/31/10 01:26 PM
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the consequence for not working is getting FIRED, not imprisoned Really? What is criminal negligence? Criminal Negligence Criminal negligence is negligence which requires a greater degree of culpability than the civil standard of negligence. The civil standard of negligence is defined according to a failure to follow the standard of conduct of a reasonable person in the same situation as the defendant. To show criminal negligence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the mental state involved in criminal negligence. Proof of that mental state requires that the failure to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that a result will occur must be a gross deviation from the standard of a reasonable person. Criminal negligence is conduct which is such a departure from what would be that of an ordinary prudent or careful person in the same circumstance as to be incompatible with a proper regard for human life or an indifference to consequences. Criminal negligence is negligence that is aggravated, culpable or gross. The following is an example of one state's statute defining criminal negligence: ''A person acts with 'criminal negligence' with respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.'' so let the courts decide, I think this requirement wont be met, unless personal safety must be foregone to meet it or if it was 'reasonable' to expect that clearing that road at that time would prevent a baby born unhealthy from having to be transported in unsafe conditions. its hard to prove the action or inaction of THESE five directly resulted in the infants death unlike if a doctor left a scalpal in a patient or prescribed an overdose of lethal medicine, where the action is DIRECTLY and exclusively responsible for the harm done |
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