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Topic: NYC Sanitation workers are guilty of manslaughter
Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 01/03/11 06:54 AM
This post originally appeared at Campaign for America's Future (CAF) at their Blog for OurFuture. I am a Fellow with CAF. The right's propaganda machine begins with a simple narrative, repeats it endlessly, and then ties current events to the narrative to drive the point home. The corporate/conservative right are currently working a narrative that public employees and their unions are the reason for state and local budget problems. This is repeated endlessly, and every current event that hits the news is then used to support the claim. This is how an untruth becomes "conventional wisdom." Source Of Story: Three "Unidentified" Workers Huge headline at the Drudge Report: NYC SNOW JOB: SLOW CLEAN-UP WAS UNION 'PROTEST' The headline links to a NY Post story, "Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest." The source of the claim? Three "unidentified" plow workers. . .' http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=4851

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 01/04/11 06:00 AM
Video Of Apparent Blizzard Clean-Up, Slow-Down Surfaces Sanitation workers spotted asleep on the job, apparently hanging out at a Coney Island Dunkin Donuts for 11 straight hours and some drinking beer for six or seven hours instead of working are all being probed. ... Sources tell Kramer that one of the most amazing charges being investigated concerns the reported refusal of some sanitation supervisors to give assignments to crews of Department of Transportation plows that were sent to sanitation districts to plow residential and secondary streets in the outer boroughs, leaving them impassable. “They were there to be deployed to do the secondary streets while sanitation did primaries and they sat and waited and they radioed in and said what’s going on with the deployment and were told to sit and wait, they would be assigned,” Halloran said. Kramer: “For six hours? For eight hours?” Halloran: “For six to eight hours. In other words, one full shift.” “If they find people that did criminal acts they’re going to arrest them,” Department of Sanitation Commissioner John Doherty said.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 01/04/11 06:09 AM
This post originally appeared at Campaign for America's Future (CAF) at their Blog for OurFuture. I am a Fellow with CAF. The right's propaganda machine begins with a simple narrative, repeats it endlessly, and then ties current events to the narrative to drive the point home. The corporate/conservative right are currently working a narrative that public employees and their unions are the reason for state and local budget problems. This is repeated endlessly, and every current event that hits the news is then used to support the claim. This is how an untruth becomes "conventional wisdom." Source Of Story: Three "Unidentified" Workers Huge headline at the Drudge Report: NYC SNOW JOB: SLOW CLEAN-UP WAS UNION 'PROTEST' The headline links to a NY Post story, "Sanitation Department's slow snow cleanup was a budget protest." The source of the claim? Three "unidentified" plow workers. . .' http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=4851 Is it really surprising that leftists are coming out in defense of the lazy, overpaid government employees?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 01/04/11 10:02 AM
Sanit bigs boozed amid snow chaos: witnesses

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 01/04/11 01:30 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Tue 01/04/11 01:30 PM
NYC blizzard: Feds open criminal probe into alleged city worker conspiracy during storm response

damnitscloudy Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11293	Tue 01/04/11 03:01 PM
I still see no evidence of a plot by city workers. Its all just a bunch of anon sources and hear say.

alookat101 Joined Fri 12/12/08 Posts: 17442	Tue 01/04/11 03:13 PM
i saw that video, and there really wasn't any other way to get the front end loader out of there... i'm sure they need that tractor to help clear some roads, and it was an older explorer that had 100,000 miles on it that was owned by the city.... not that big of a deal It would be felony hit and run if anyone else had done that...why do the city workers get a pass? Who told you it was a city worker and not a private contractor or it could had been a private citizen who so happen to own a company that use in there work a tractor or ect...., where's the fact's my friend, all i hear from you is conversation

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Tue 01/04/11 06:50 PM
i saw that video, and there really wasn't any other way to get the front end loader out of there... i'm sure they need that tractor to help clear some roads, and it was an older explorer that had 100,000 miles on it that was owned by the city.... not that big of a deal It would be felony hit and run if anyone else had done that...why do the city workers get a pass? Who told you it was a city worker and not a private contractor or it could had been a private citizen who so happen to own a company that use in there work a tractor or ect...., where's the fact's my friend, all i hear from you is conversation Every link in this thread was posted by me. Have you read any of them?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 01/06/11 01:56 PM
Sanitation Dept. Gets Earful In Wake Of Cemetery Destruction Desecration of venerated objects and/or criminal mischief

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 01/06/11 02:09 PM
Sanitation Dept. Gets Earful In Wake Of Cemetery Destruction Desecration of venerated objects and/or criminal mischief Dont ya think maybe they were told to dump snow there? Its tragic for sure but it sounds to me like it was poor supervision.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 01/06/11 02:12 PM
Sanitation Dept. Gets Earful In Wake Of Cemetery Destruction Desecration of venerated objects and/or criminal mischief Dont ya think maybe they were told to dump snow there? Its tragic for sure but it sounds to me like it was poor supervision. And? I'm sorry, but if I were told to destroy private property for my job, claiming "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse. Sure, this probably wasn't intentional, it was just negligence. But these guys should be held accountable. Thanks to the unions and the fact that they are government workers, it's very unlikely that anyone will be held accountable.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 01/06/11 02:35 PM Edited by Bestinshow on Thu 01/06/11 02:36 PM
Sanitation Dept. Gets Earful In Wake Of Cemetery Destruction Desecration of venerated objects and/or criminal mischief Dont ya think maybe they were told to dump snow there? Its tragic for sure but it sounds to me like it was poor supervision. And? I'm sorry, but if I were told to destroy private property for my job, claiming "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse. Sure, this probably wasn't intentional, it was just negligence. But these guys should be held accountable. Thanks to the unions and the fact that they are government workers, it's very unlikely that anyone will be held accountable. I dont think I buy that. I would imagine they had no place to put the snow at a certain point and did what they were told to do in order to continue the cleanup. I dont understand why you have such contempt for guys who were working 12 and fourteen hour days in blizzard conditions, I am sure they did the best they could. With that snowfall I am suprised there was so few foul ups in a city as big as New York. Hats off to the hard working men and woman in New York.

damnitscloudy Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11293	Thu 01/06/11 02:36 PM
You have to put the snow SOMEWHERE. Granted its a bad place for it, but when your plowing snow, it does not magically disappear, it piles up and you have to put the pile elsewhere until you find a spot for it.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 01/06/11 02:45 PM
Hats off to the hard working men and woman in New York. Absolutely! But not to the lazy union sanitation workers who didn't do their job (as video evidence shows) and plowed snow into a grave yard and destroyed a truck for no reason.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 01/06/11 02:47 PM
You have to put the snow SOMEWHERE. Granted its a bad place for it, but when your plowing snow, it does not magically disappear, it piles up and you have to put the pile elsewhere until you find a spot for it. I guess it takes a PHD to figure out that you shouldn't plow the snow into a grave yard, knocking down a fence and 30 grave stones.

alookat101 Joined Fri 12/12/08 Posts: 17442	Thu 01/06/11 03:42 PM
Sanitation Dept. Gets Earful In Wake Of Cemetery Destruction Desecration of venerated objects and/or criminal mischief Dont ya think maybe they were told to dump snow there? Its tragic for sure but it sounds to me like it was poor supervision. And? I'm sorry, but if I were told to destroy private property for my job, claiming "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse. Sure, this probably wasn't intentional, it was just negligence. But these guys should be held accountable. Thanks to the unions and the fact that they are government workers, it's very unlikely that anyone will be held accountable. Sounds like to me that you had some kind of bad experience with the Unions as a whole, they may not be perfect but I'm very much thankful for there help in protecting workers rights and fair pay wages.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Thu 01/06/11 04:11 PM
Sounds like to me that you had some kind of bad experience with the Unions as a whole, they may not be perfect but I'm very much thankful for there help in protecting workers rights and fair pay wages. Union workers are, on average, the highest paid blue collar workers in the country. Unions are also responsible for the near destruction of the US auto, railroad and airline industries.

alookat101 Joined Fri 12/12/08 Posts: 17442	Thu 01/06/11 04:38 PM
Sounds like to me that you had some kind of bad experience with the Unions as a whole, they may not be perfect but I'm very much thankful for there help in protecting workers rights and fair pay wages. Union workers are, on average, the highest paid blue collar workers in the country. Unions are also responsible for the near destruction of the US auto, railroad and airline industries. So your saying that we should be paid much less and have inferior medical benefit with $80.00 deductibles just to get a physical. So maybe that's why the big corporations are moving overseas and outsourcing american jobs to export them back here so we can purchase them with our low wages.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Thu 01/06/11 04:39 PM
Sounds like to me that you had some kind of bad experience with the Unions as a whole, they may not be perfect but I'm very much thankful for there help in protecting workers rights and fair pay wages. Union workers are, on average, the highest paid blue collar workers in the country. Unions are also responsible for the near destruction of the US auto, railroad and airline industries. If you hadnt noticed those industries are the few that do compete pretty darn good against the global economy. everything else is made overseas. need a train? some of the best are made in America, cars? we are in the thick of it. Airplanes? Some of the best in the world made right here in the USA.

fictional29m Joined Sat 04/17/10 Posts: 4	Thu 01/06/11 04:55 PM
I thought slavery was banned in America or is there an exception for government workers.. i suppose there is an exception for everything.. child support..debtors prison..government workers slaves.. whats next.. simple point people die its not uncommon people have become so Dependant on others its not funny they have no store able foods no backup plan nadda..if it was me having a baby I would want to know how to have a baby without any hospital assistance..people have become to reliant on the hospital , grocery stores and others..