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Topic: ARE ALL LIES WRONG???
Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 12/13/10 03:33 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(ex:20:16) the shortened lazier interpretations shortened that to though shalt not lie,,,but that is not actually the commandment Correct... And if one wishes to be litteral in interpretation, I personally don't see how anyone could see an enemy as a neighbor. But anyways, since it was said "Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE.", I wonder how anyone can defend Sunday as the Sabath? Exodus 20:8 (KJV) 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ya lost me here pete,,lol (its me, Im foggy today,,,lol) I am sure its possible to have neighbors who are 'not friends' Pretty much the same way that "Thou shalt not murder" has provisions for war and defence, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" should have the same. As for the Sabath reference, the only way I see that Sunday could be defended is with a lie...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Mon 12/13/10 03:44 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(ex:20:16) the shortened lazier interpretations shortened that to though shalt not lie,,,but that is not actually the commandment Correct... And if one wishes to be litteral in interpretation, I personally don't see how anyone could see an enemy as a neighbor. But anyways, since it was said "Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE.", I wonder how anyone can defend Sunday as the Sabath? Exodus 20:8 (KJV) 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ya lost me here pete,,lol (its me, Im foggy today,,,lol) I am sure its possible to have neighbors who are 'not friends' Pretty much the same way that "Thou shalt not murder" has provisions for war and defence, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" should have the same. As for the Sabath reference, the only way I see that Sunday could be defended is with a lie... I thought sabbath was the day of rest, or the seventh day as described in genesis which on our modern work schedule would be sunday?

Cheer_up Joined Tue 11/02/10 Posts: 3269	Mon 12/13/10 04:10 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. Exodus 1:15-21 Joshua 2:1-7 Genesis 20:1-18 they were not under the law covenent at that time only the jews were

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Mon 12/13/10 05:06 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. Exodus 1:15-21 Joshua 2:1-7 Genesis 20:1-18 they were not under the law covenent at that time only the jews were Well there you go... You answered your own question.

MiracleMax Joined Mon 12/13/10 Posts: 16	Tue 12/14/10 02:04 AM
According to Kantian Ethics, any act undertaken, as long as there is a good will behind it, is considered a good act. I must say I wholeheartedly agree. So to answer your question, no lying is not always wrong.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 12/14/10 09:40 AM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(ex:20:16) the shortened lazier interpretations shortened that to though shalt not lie,,,but that is not actually the commandment Correct... And if one wishes to be litteral in interpretation, I personally don't see how anyone could see an enemy as a neighbor. But anyways, since it was said "Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE.", I wonder how anyone can defend Sunday as the Sabath? Exodus 20:8 (KJV) 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ya lost me here pete,,lol (its me, Im foggy today,,,lol) I am sure its possible to have neighbors who are 'not friends' Pretty much the same way that "Thou shalt not murder" has provisions for war and defence, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" should have the same. As for the Sabath reference, the only way I see that Sunday could be defended is with a lie... I thought sabbath was the day of rest, or the seventh day as described in genesis which on our modern work schedule would be sunday? Yes the Sabath is on the 7th day of the week. That is why some people do the sabath on Saturday and some on Sunday. If you look at the calender technically Saturday is the 7th day of the week. But since the world has mon - fri as the week and Sat and sun as the weekend Sunday then falls into the 7th day with Mon being the first day of the week.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 12/14/10 10:46 AM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(ex:20:16) the shortened lazier interpretations shortened that to though shalt not lie,,,but that is not actually the commandment Correct... And if one wishes to be litteral in interpretation, I personally don't see how anyone could see an enemy as a neighbor. But anyways, since it was said "Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE.", I wonder how anyone can defend Sunday as the Sabath? Exodus 20:8 (KJV) 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ya lost me here pete,,lol (its me, Im foggy today,,,lol) I am sure its possible to have neighbors who are 'not friends' Pretty much the same way that "Thou shalt not murder" has provisions for war and defence, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" should have the same. As for the Sabath reference, the only way I see that Sunday could be defended is with a lie... I thought sabbath was the day of rest, or the seventh day as described in genesis which on our modern work schedule would be sunday? Yes the Sabath is on the 7th day of the week. That is why some people do the sabath on Saturday and some on Sunday. If you look at the calender technically Saturday is the 7th day of the week. But since the world has mon - fri as the week and Sat and sun as the weekend Sunday then falls into the 7th day with Mon being the first day of the week. There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy."

Cheer_up Joined Tue 11/02/10 Posts: 3269	Tue 12/14/10 01:56 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. Exodus 1:15-21 Joshua 2:1-7 Genesis 20:1-18 they were not under the law covenent at that time only the jews were Well there you go... You answered your own question. your right i did lieing is wrong jesus never lied he gave exaples

Cheer_up Joined Tue 11/02/10 Posts: 3269	Tue 12/14/10 01:59 PM
There are several examples in the Bible where lies were told in order to protect life. There is even a "righteous" man who told one. Did those Germans who lied to protect Jews and others do wrong? I think not... So my opinion... A lie to protect life = good. All other lies = bad. All lies are wrong. "Thou shall not lie". There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE. "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.(ex:20:16) the shortened lazier interpretations shortened that to though shalt not lie,,,but that is not actually the commandment Correct... And if one wishes to be litteral in interpretation, I personally don't see how anyone could see an enemy as a neighbor. But anyways, since it was said "Says straight up THOU SHALL NOT LIE.", I wonder how anyone can defend Sunday as the Sabath? Exodus 20:8 (KJV) 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. ya lost me here pete,,lol (its me, Im foggy today,,,lol) I am sure its possible to have neighbors who are 'not friends' Pretty much the same way that "Thou shalt not murder" has provisions for war and defence, "Thou shalt not bear false witness" should have the same. As for the Sabath reference, the only way I see that Sunday could be defended is with a lie... I thought sabbath was the day of rest, or the seventh day as described in genesis which on our modern work schedule would be sunday? Yes the Sabath is on the 7th day of the week. That is why some people do the sabath on Saturday and some on Sunday. If you look at the calender technically Saturday is the 7th day of the week. But since the world has mon - fri as the week and Sat and sun as the weekend Sunday then falls into the 7th day with Mon being the first day of the week. There are no subtitles, fine print, or anything. No exceptions. Says straight up "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy." but now who was suppose to keep it holy? and when christ died for all mankind he died on a tree in original writing