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Top 1 reason why I never try to "convert" anyone.... 1. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. one reason also that I have visited this particular thread less often the subliminal judgements about what is INTELLIGENT and what is not, as an intelligent person myself, border on ridiculous belief and faith have little to do with intelligence, much more to do with experience, and people come to their beliefs through their EXPERIENCES,, plain and simple I cant give anyone else the experiences which have lead to my faith in God and the Bible, and I cant take the experiences of others which have lead them to refute the Bible or deny God this particular thread rarely seems to teach anyone anything, unlike other threads where people might read and learn something they didnt know,,, when it comes to faith, or lack of, most of us tend to have already decided at this point in our life that we know all we need to ... ummm...you do realize how stupid that bible quote is, don't you? It absolves me of any responsibility for my own end fate. If, say, I were to die now, most of you good christians would agree I would not end up in Heaven. At which point, I could absolutely truthfully say, "But 'The Father' never drew me." And since your holy book says no one can come to Jesus unless 'The Father' draws him, this means that God always intended that I die and go to Hell. Which makes God, my supposed creator, pretty much an a-hole, doesn't it? Same thing if God gave YOU experiences that gave you faith, but not me. Or anyone else, for that matter. What you are saying, in effect, is that it's never any humans fault for not having faith in God. I contend that punishing any being for what is not their fault is an evil act. Thanks again for confirming that your God is evil. Fun with logic... Now please, show me where I'm all wrong with some brilliant cognative dissonance. Christians are really good at that. No offense intended. No really, I mean it. I'm just saying... This is quite a long read, but the author explains in detail the points he's trying to make. http://www.thetwowedgesword.com/thehellhoax.htm |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father. 
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. Which reminds me of a funny joke. What did the Taoist say to the hotdog vender? Make me one with everything. just a bit of levity in an otherwise humorless forum.. STOP THAT! I was instructed here that there is no HUMOUR in religion...and they prove that every day...and the line is: "make me one with all" |
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I think I can sum up where this thread is heading...
Most Christians are misguided by self deluded fools who likewise bought into the BS for many reasons. The church has become what Jesus hated. You cannot sell salvation. You cannot speak for god. GOD speaks for God. There are Christians who live by the Word of Jesus and those who live by Jesus being their savior. The ones living by the word get it. The pray to God only. They do not pray to Jesus. the rest are not smart enough to see the lies they are being blinded by. People think they have heaven to gain if they beat the drum of Church loud enough. People think that by staunchly and blindly following a belief and not asking questions of it that they will get some pass into heaven. It is sad to see so many people who give up their souls to an idea that there is a loving God waiting for them on the other side of death. No one knows what lies on the other side. People are too fuqued up on heaven and you get Islamics out of the deal becasue people want to have order in their lives that the hypocrisy of Organized Christianity robs them of. There is a lot more to life than a book written from a collection of other writings and twisted to fit the dogma of a pseudo-pagan belief system. People that cannot see past their own noses are cursed to remain short sighted all their lives. Likewise wearing cross embellished blinders does not help anyone. All Jesus wanted was for people to actually live good lives above the bestial and instinctual natures of our species. Humans are innately evil becasue we have instincts that drive us harder than our intellectual side can over come. Starve a good man long enough and abuse him and he either will lay down and die or lash out and fight. The story of job is the ultimate tale of a puzzywhipped man if I ever seen one! God handed that man to Lucifer and he got totally punished all to placate God's vanity. So I take it God is above sin too? Frankly why worry about heaven until the time goes to get there? Life is too hard to be blinded to the fact we either chose to live good lives or bad. There is no buying forgiveness. There is no being absolved of our guilt! Do the crime, do the time! Killing the son of God is a crime! I am of the Heritage of the ones who nailed his azz to the tree! Hell, I don't want any part of Jesus's murder! |
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In any case, he can accuse me of that all day, and I'd agree. If God is, as is described by christianity, than I'll be His enemy forever. Well, when you put it that way it makes sense. 
Anyone who sells bigotry and divisiveness in the name of God is clearly working for a demon anyway. Or possibly is the demon himself. On a personal level I couldn't care less about Cowboyianity. I was just responding to his question of how I can judge what I deem to be intelligent when he is hypocritically judging everyone on what he deems to be the "word of God". And it's not just his choice of SOURCE for what he claims to be the "word of God", but he also demands that his interpretations of that particular mythology trump everyone else's views and opinions.
He claims not to judge others, but in truth that's all he ever does. |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. ========================================================== John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. =========================================================== This example isn't an exact example, but it's roughly the same thing. Same I work at Wall Mart. You're looking for a job, thus i suggest wall mart... *the father drawing you in.* So you apply to the job with the manager of wall mart *Jesus Christ*. The owner hires you for the job. If you do your job well you get promoted *heaven*. This is how it works. The father will draw EVERYONE that seeks him first. I tell you of God, that little feeling/thought "well maybe he's right". That is the father speaking to you trying to draw you to him. Right then and there you have the choice to follow the path which leads to our father. So you get on the path... now where do you go? It's ok, you won't get lost Jesus is there to direct you to the way to our father. |
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Kinda laying it on a little thick, aren't you? Yeah, christianity is crap and hateful ect ect ect, but not every christian is so. I really don't think Cowboy is a bad person. He may be confused and ignorant of reality, but evil? No, I don't think so. Give him a break. He's only doing what he feels is right and I've not seen him once belittle anyone else. How many of us can say that about ourselves? But he does belittle other people all the time. He accusing them of being enemies of God. That's an ignorant thing to judge anyone of. I judge no one. The word judges all. And all i was telling was what the word speaks of with this. That is all, just relaying a message. Not making judgements on my own, nothing was involved with any form of emotion *ego, hatred, jealousy* or anything. Just relaying what the word says on such, thus the word was doing the judging not I. |
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Kinda laying it on a little thick, aren't you? Yeah, christianity is crap and hateful ect ect ect, but not every christian is so. I really don't think Cowboy is a bad person. He may be confused and ignorant of reality, but evil? No, I don't think so. Give him a break. He's only doing what he feels is right and I've not seen him once belittle anyone else. How many of us can say that about ourselves? But he does belittle other people all the time. He accusing them of being enemies of God. That's an ignorant thing to judge anyone of. I judge no one. The word judges all. And all i was telling was what the word speaks of with this. That is all, just relaying a message. Not making judgements on my own, nothing was involved with any form of emotion *ego, hatred, jealousy* or anything. Just relaying what the word says on such, thus the word was doing the judging not I. 
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Top 1 reason why I never try to "convert" anyone.... 1. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. one reason also that I have visited this particular thread less often the subliminal judgements about what is INTELLIGENT and what is not, as an intelligent person myself, border on ridiculous belief and faith have little to do with intelligence, much more to do with experience, and people come to their beliefs through their EXPERIENCES,, plain and simple I cant give anyone else the experiences which have lead to my faith in God and the Bible, and I cant take the experiences of others which have lead them to refute the Bible or deny God this particular thread rarely seems to teach anyone anything, unlike other threads where people might read and learn something they didnt know,,, when it comes to faith, or lack of, most of us tend to have already decided at this point in our life that we know all we need to ... ummm...you do realize how stupid that bible quote is, don't you? It absolves me of any responsibility for my own end fate. If, say, I were to die now, most of you good christians would agree I would not end up in Heaven. At which point, I could absolutely truthfully say, "But 'The Father' never drew me." And since your holy book says no one can come to Jesus unless 'The Father' draws him, this means that God always intended that I die and go to Hell. Which makes God, my supposed creator, pretty much an a-hole, doesn't it? Same thing if God gave YOU experiences that gave you faith, but not me. Or anyone else, for that matter. What you are saying, in effect, is that it's never any humans fault for not having faith in God. I contend that punishing any being for what is not their fault is an evil act. Thanks again for confirming that your God is evil. Fun with logic... Now please, show me where I'm all wrong with some brilliant cognative dissonance. Christians are really good at that. No offense intended. No really, I mean it. I'm just saying... Im not offended, just more proof that people are stubborn in their faith or lack of,,, If I say to you, I cant be a lawyer unless I pass the bar, does that mean it is not my 'fault'(your word, I choose the word 'responsibility') that I am not a lawyer of course to take the verse out of context as if the meaning infers some singular requirement, it makes little sense taken in the CONTEXT of the BIBLE and its teachings, however, it makes perfect sense because the rest of the book tells us which actions, words, choices are pleasing to God (and therefore likely to cause his APPROVAL and blessing) we are responsible for our actions and words, our CHOICES, and though the experiences we are born into our not ours to decide, it is certainly our CHOICE of what we do with them and every experience thereafter ,,,,and those choices lead to more experiences,, and so on so that , because of our choices being individual, we will have individual experiences and interpretations of those experiences which will lead us to our BELIEFS..... uh huh. Cognative dissonance. gotta love it. 
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By reading your posts through my time on here, who are you to judge what's intelligent or not? And who are you to claim to speak for God? 
You have a sick demented book that you claim is the "Word of God". Moreover, you demand that only your interpretations and conclusions about this book are correct. You have twisted every verse of these ancient scriptures into the most hateful statements you possibly can. And it's totally uncalled for. You are proselytizing "Cowboyianity, that has absolutely nothing at all to do with any man (or demigod) named Jesus. You've created your own version of hate. You don't speak for God, and you most certainly don't speak for Jesus. You're just a hateful person on the Internet trying to use religion to support your religious bigotry. Shame on you. This is precisely what this ancient myths of jealous God's cause. They create people like you who judge others in the name of God and condemn them for not accepting YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS of the mythological God that YOU CREATE. You've created your own monster God. Kinda laying it on a little thick, aren't you? Yeah, christianity is crap and hateful ect ect ect, but not every christian is so. I really don't think Cowboy is a bad person. He may be confused and ignorant of reality, but evil? No, I don't think so. Give him a break. He's only doing what he feels is right and I've not seen him once belittle anyone else. How many of us can say that about ourselves? I agree regarding Cowboy. I actually admire his heart and his spirit quite a bit. I would love to get back to the youthful faith and innocence he emits,,, Yeah....he really is cute, just like a little kid... 
But I'm thinking at some point, he should start growing up a bit... Just my opinion... I think he is young, but not a kid. I also think being grown has to do with being responsible for oneself and contributing to the world around you, which I dont know him well enough to say that he is/does or not.... What does age have to do with being a kid?? I'm a kid and I'm in my 40's. I'm just not a kid ALL THE TIME. |
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Top 1 reason why I never try to "convert" anyone.... 1. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. one reason also that I have visited this particular thread less often the subliminal judgements about what is INTELLIGENT and what is not, as an intelligent person myself, border on ridiculous belief and faith have little to do with intelligence, much more to do with experience, and people come to their beliefs through their EXPERIENCES,, plain and simple I cant give anyone else the experiences which have lead to my faith in God and the Bible, and I cant take the experiences of others which have lead them to refute the Bible or deny God this particular thread rarely seems to teach anyone anything, unlike other threads where people might read and learn something they didnt know,,, when it comes to faith, or lack of, most of us tend to have already decided at this point in our life that we know all we need to ... ummm...you do realize how stupid that bible quote is, don't you? It absolves me of any responsibility for my own end fate. If, say, I were to die now, most of you good christians would agree I would not end up in Heaven. At which point, I could absolutely truthfully say, "But 'The Father' never drew me." And since your holy book says no one can come to Jesus unless 'The Father' draws him, this means that God always intended that I die and go to Hell. Which makes God, my supposed creator, pretty much an a-hole, doesn't it? Same thing if God gave YOU experiences that gave you faith, but not me. Or anyone else, for that matter. What you are saying, in effect, is that it's never any humans fault for not having faith in God. I contend that punishing any being for what is not their fault is an evil act. Thanks again for confirming that your God is evil. Fun with logic... Now please, show me where I'm all wrong with some brilliant cognative dissonance. Christians are really good at that. No offense intended. No really, I mean it. I'm just saying... This is quite a long read, but the author explains in detail the points he's trying to make. http://www.thetwowedgesword.com/thehellhoax.htm yes, it is long. Care to sum it up? |
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Top 1 reason why I never try to "convert" anyone.... 1. John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. one reason also that I have visited this particular thread less often the subliminal judgements about what is INTELLIGENT and what is not, as an intelligent person myself, border on ridiculous belief and faith have little to do with intelligence, much more to do with experience, and people come to their beliefs through their EXPERIENCES,, plain and simple I cant give anyone else the experiences which have lead to my faith in God and the Bible, and I cant take the experiences of others which have lead them to refute the Bible or deny God this particular thread rarely seems to teach anyone anything, unlike other threads where people might read and learn something they didnt know,,, when it comes to faith, or lack of, most of us tend to have already decided at this point in our life that we know all we need to ... ummm...you do realize how stupid that bible quote is, don't you? It absolves me of any responsibility for my own end fate. If, say, I were to die now, most of you good christians would agree I would not end up in Heaven. At which point, I could absolutely truthfully say, "But 'The Father' never drew me." And since your holy book says no one can come to Jesus unless 'The Father' draws him, this means that God always intended that I die and go to Hell. Which makes God, my supposed creator, pretty much an a-hole, doesn't it? Same thing if God gave YOU experiences that gave you faith, but not me. Or anyone else, for that matter. What you are saying, in effect, is that it's never any humans fault for not having faith in God. I contend that punishing any being for what is not their fault is an evil act. Thanks again for confirming that your God is evil. Fun with logic... Now please, show me where I'm all wrong with some brilliant cognative dissonance. Christians are really good at that. No offense intended. No really, I mean it. I'm just saying... Im not offended, just more proof that people are stubborn in their faith or lack of,,, If I say to you, I cant be a lawyer unless I pass the bar, does that mean it is not my 'fault'(your word, I choose the word 'responsibility') that I am not a lawyer of course to take the verse out of context as if the meaning infers some singular requirement, it makes little sense taken in the CONTEXT of the BIBLE and its teachings, however, it makes perfect sense because the rest of the book tells us which actions, words, choices are pleasing to God (and therefore likely to cause his APPROVAL and blessing) we are responsible for our actions and words, our CHOICES, and though the experiences we are born into our not ours to decide, it is certainly our CHOICE of what we do with them and every experience thereafter ,,,,and those choices lead to more experiences,, and so on so that , because of our choices being individual, we will have individual experiences and interpretations of those experiences which will lead us to our BELIEFS..... uh huh. Cognative dissonance. gotta love it.
its impressive terminology but where is the conflict in my thought process exactly from http://changingminds.org/explanations/theories/cognitive_dissonance.htm Cognitive Dissonance Explanations > Theories > Cognitive Dissonance Description | Research | Example | So What? | See also | References Description This is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time. This is the feeling of uncomfortable tension which comes from holding two conflicting thoughts in the mind at the same time. |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. Which reminds me of a funny joke. What did the Taoist say to the hotdog vender? Make me one with everything. just a bit of levity in an otherwise humorless forum.. STOP THAT! I was instructed here that there is no HUMOUR in religion...and they prove that every day...and the line is: "make me one with all" No. The line is as I wrote it. If you ask a hotdog vender to "make me one with all" he's just gonna look at you funny. |
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I think I can sum up where this thread is heading... Most Christians are misguided by self deluded fools who likewise bought into the BS for many reasons. The church has become what Jesus hated. You cannot sell salvation. You cannot speak for god. GOD speaks for God. There are Christians who live by the Word of Jesus and those who live by Jesus being their savior. The ones living by the word get it. The pray to God only. They do not pray to Jesus. the rest are not smart enough to see the lies they are being blinded by. People think they have heaven to gain if they beat the drum of Church loud enough. People think that by staunchly and blindly following a belief and not asking questions of it that they will get some pass into heaven. It is sad to see so many people who give up their souls to an idea that there is a loving God waiting for them on the other side of death. No one knows what lies on the other side. People are too fuqued up on heaven and you get Islamics out of the deal becasue people want to have order in their lives that the hypocrisy of Organized Christianity robs them of. There is a lot more to life than a book written from a collection of other writings and twisted to fit the dogma of a pseudo-pagan belief system. People that cannot see past their own noses are cursed to remain short sighted all their lives. Likewise wearing cross embellished blinders does not help anyone. All Jesus wanted was for people to actually live good lives above the bestial and instinctual natures of our species. Humans are innately evil becasue we have instincts that drive us harder than our intellectual side can over come. Starve a good man long enough and abuse him and he either will lay down and die or lash out and fight. The story of job is the ultimate tale of a puzzywhipped man if I ever seen one! God handed that man to Lucifer and he got totally punished all to placate God's vanity. So I take it God is above sin too? Frankly why worry about heaven until the time goes to get there? Life is too hard to be blinded to the fact we either chose to live good lives or bad. There is no buying forgiveness. There is no being absolved of our guilt! Do the crime, do the time! Killing the son of God is a crime! I am of the Heritage of the ones who nailed his azz to the tree! Hell, I don't want any part of Jesus's murder! The more I read some of these replies the more it reminds me of watching a couple of 10 year olds.I have to keep believing I am actually talking to adults here and not some immature 5th grader.Yet from what I have been reading I feel like I am at the wrong web site and have been redirected to some elementry school webpage for mentally challenged children. Is this is how you debate I can see why Cowboy is usually the only person who is dealing with you.The rest of us are out there on other sites having logical,thoughtful,productive debates with mature,intellegent,respectful people who don't need to insult us with every other word they speak. As far as us foolish Christians?About the only people who use that term are the Atheist.Christians schools and colleges are constantly outperforming everyone else.Home schooled Christians are also far superior in their knowledge compared to your average high school student.You famous foolish Christians would include nearly all the founding fathers,nearly all of our Presidents,the founders of some of the worlds greatest inventions,and the CEO's and founders of some of Americas most important companies. Famous and intelligent Atheist???You might get 50 then again you might not. You say going to church is what Jesus hated?Wow!!!!Reading about his life,praising his works,and worshiping and singing songs devoted to him is hatred towards Jesus???I would say that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard debating religion.Oh and Andy church is free.You don't have to pay a dime. I do speak for God and I do speak for Jesus because I am telling you exactly what they said,and why they said it.I am a Christian disciple and when I quote bible verses I am speaking the words of God. Every Christian I have ever met believes Jesus is their God and savior.You will not find half and half.It makes no difference if you pray to God or if you pray to Jesus because they are all one in three entities.The father,the son,and the Holy ghost. I can see your lack of biblical knowledge is not only wrong it's embarrassing wrong.Job wasn't a push over he was quite the opposite.Job was a very Holy and faithful man.Satan told God if he killed all of his animals,killed all of his offspring,and left Job broke and homeless Job would deny God and curse God.God allowed Satan to have his way with Job and Satan killed all of his animals,all of his family,and everything else he could do except kill him... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job All of Job's possessions are destroyed and a 'ruach' (wind/spirit) causes the house of the firstborn to collapse killing all of Job's offspring who were gathered for a feast.[note 1] Job does not curse God after this but instead shaves his head, tears his clothes and says, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return: Lord has given, and Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of Lord" (Simplified).[4] As Job endures these calamities without reproaching Divine Providence, Satan solicits permission to afflict his person as well, and God says, "Behold, he is in your hand, but don't touch his life." Satan, therefore, smites him with dreadful boils, and Job, seated in ashes, scrapes his skin with broken pottery. His wife prompts him to "curse God, and die" but Job answers, "You speak as one of the foolish speaks. Moreover, shall we receive good from God and shall not receive evil?" Despite everything that happened to Job he never denied or cursed God not once.Satan was dead wrong about Job.Job never did anything Satan claimed he would do.God was so pleased with Job he gave his sons back to him,healed him of his boils,restored his house,and multiplied his animals many times over.It was said Job was so rich and powerful that he was in control of the entire Middle east. There is much.much more to this story which is too long to post here.Job is is my most favorite books of the bible and is loaded with wisdom.I posted some bible verse here... http://www.jesus-passion.com/JOB.htm#Chapter%2030 The Book of Job, Chapter 30 1 But now the younger in time scorn me, whose fathers I would not have set with the dogs of my flock: 2 The strength of whose hands was to me as nothing, and they were thought unworthy of life itself. 3 Barren with want and hunger, who gnawed in the wilderness, disfigured with calamity and misery. 4 And they ate grass, and barks of trees, and the root of junipers was their food. 5 Who snatched up these things out of the valleys, and when they had found any of them, they ran to them with a cry. 6 They dwelt in the desert places of torrents, and in caves of earth, or upon the gravel. 7 They pleased themselves among these kind of things, and counted it delightful to be under the briers. 8 The children of foolish and base men, and not appearing at all upon the earth. 9 Now I am turned into their song, and am become their byword. 10 They abhor me, and flee far from me, and are not afraid to spit in my face. 11 For he hath opened his quiver, and hath afflicted me, and hath put a bridle into my mouth. 12 At the right hand of my rising, my calamities forthwith arose: they have overthrown my feet, and have overwhelmed me with their paths as with waves. 13 They have destroyed my ways, they have lain in wait against me, and they have prevailed, and there was none to help. 14 They have rushed in upon me, as when a wall is broken, and a gate opened, and have rolled themselves down to my miseries. 15 I am brought to nothing: as a wind thou hast taken away my desire: and my prosperity hath passed away like a cloud. 16 And now my soul fadeth within myself, and the days of affliction possess me. 17 In the night my bone is pierced with sorrows: and they that feed upon me, do not sleep. 18 With the multitude of them my garment is consumed, and they have girded me about, as with the collar of my coat. 19 I am compared to dirt, and am likened to embers and ashes. 20 I cry to thee, and thou hearest me not: I stand up, and thou dost not regard me. 21 Thou art changed to be cruel toward me, and in the hardness of thy hand thou art against me. 22 Thou hast lifted me up, and set me as it were upon the wind, and thou hast mightily dashed me. 23 I know that thou wilt deliver me to death, where a house is appointed for every one that liveth. 24 But yet thou stretchest not forth thy hand to their consumption: and if they shall fall down thou wilt save. 25 I wept heretofore for him that was afflicted, and my soul had compassion on the poor. 26 I expected good things, and evils are come upon me: I waited for light, and darkness broke out. 27 My inner parts have boiled without any rest, the days of affliction have prevented me. 28 I went mourning without indignation; I rose up, and cried in the crowd. 29 I was the brother of dragons, and companion of ostriches. 30 My skin is become black upon me, and my bones are dried up with heat. 31 My harp is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice of those that weep. |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. ========================================================== John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. =========================================================== This example isn't an exact example, but it's roughly the same thing. Same I work at Wall Mart. You're looking for a job, thus i suggest wall mart... *the father drawing you in.* So you apply to the job with the manager of wall mart *Jesus Christ*. The owner hires you for the job. If you do your job well you get promoted *heaven*. This is how it works. The father will draw EVERYONE that seeks him first. I tell you of God, that little feeling/thought "well maybe he's right". That is the father speaking to you trying to draw you to him. Right then and there you have the choice to follow the path which leads to our father. So you get on the path... now where do you go? It's ok, you won't get lost Jesus is there to direct you to the way to our father. So...following God and Jesus is like working for Evil Inc...I mean Walmart. Good to know. And... I've sought God. Never found Him. Jesus, on the other hand, was hiding behind the couch the whole time. Crazy long haired hippie...he should stop walkin' on water and start showing with it....I'm just saying...nobody wants to smell your humanity..divinity...whatever... In any case, I'm not thinking "well maybe he's right". sorry dude... |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. ========================================================== John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. =========================================================== This example isn't an exact example, but it's roughly the same thing. Same I work at Wall Mart. You're looking for a job, thus i suggest wall mart... *the father drawing you in.* So you apply to the job with the manager of wall mart *Jesus Christ*. The owner hires you for the job. If you do your job well you get promoted *heaven*. This is how it works. The father will draw EVERYONE that seeks him first. I tell you of God, that little feeling/thought "well maybe he's right". That is the father speaking to you trying to draw you to him. Right then and there you have the choice to follow the path which leads to our father. So you get on the path... now where do you go? It's ok, you won't get lost Jesus is there to direct you to the way to our father. So...following God and Jesus is like working for Evil Inc...I mean Walmart. Good to know. And... I've sought God. Never found Him. Jesus, on the other hand, was hiding behind the couch the whole time. Crazy long haired hippie...he should stop walkin' on water and start showing with it....I'm just saying...nobody wants to smell your humanity..divinity...whatever... In any case, I'm not thinking "well maybe he's right". sorry dude... Have you really sought God? Have you really truly sought our father? Having no doubt, having no fears, having no second thoughts? Have you really true heartedly sought our father? You don't have to answer these if you do not wish, just asked mainly for you personally to think about. |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. ========================================================== John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. =========================================================== This example isn't an exact example, but it's roughly the same thing. Same I work at Wall Mart. You're looking for a job, thus i suggest wall mart... *the father drawing you in.* So you apply to the job with the manager of wall mart *Jesus Christ*. The owner hires you for the job. If you do your job well you get promoted *heaven*. This is how it works. The father will draw EVERYONE that seeks him first. I tell you of God, that little feeling/thought "well maybe he's right". That is the father speaking to you trying to draw you to him. Right then and there you have the choice to follow the path which leads to our father. So you get on the path... now where do you go? It's ok, you won't get lost Jesus is there to direct you to the way to our father. So...following God and Jesus is like working for Evil Inc...I mean Walmart. Good to know. And... I've sought God. Never found Him. Jesus, on the other hand, was hiding behind the couch the whole time. Crazy long haired hippie...he should stop walkin' on water and start showing with it....I'm just saying...nobody wants to smell your humanity..divinity...whatever... In any case, I'm not thinking "well maybe he's right". sorry dude... Have you really sought God? Have you really truly sought our father? Having no doubt, having no fears, having no second thoughts? Have you really true heartedly sought our father? You don't have to answer these if you do not wish, just asked mainly for you personally to think about. Recruiting to add more religious nutbags onto the already bloated number of fools who believe that crap. You guys have done enough damage to society already...stop tying to convert people into zombies. Every time you guys worm your way into our government we get results like these guys: 
(sorry but it's never too early for XMAS!) |
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Look at how silly this fable truly is! John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. No one can get to the Father but by Jesus, but no one can get to Jesus buy by the Father.
So clearly humans have no choice in the matter. You can't get to Jesus by choice like the Christians have claimed. Their very own fable rejects this notion. The only thing you can do is wait to be drawn in by the Father. Jesus taught this in other verses as well when he spoke about lost sheep. He said that he would go out looking for his lost sheep, he never suggested that he expects them to come looking for him. Of course, we can't truly say that Jesus taught any of this because we have nothing from Jesus. All we have to go by is these convoluted rumors written by other men. Men who often disagree with each other, and even contradict their very own claims. The mere fact that Jesus did not agree with the teachings of the Torah is really all the evidence that we truly need to conclude that Jesus could not possibly have been the son of the God of Abraham. So we can reject those rumors right off the bat. If we can connect the teachings of Jesus with anything, the closest philosophy that was popular in those day would have been Mahayana Buddhism. Just compare the moral teachings that were attributed to Jesus in the gospels with the moral teachings of Mahayana Buddhism including their concept of a Bodhisattva and it's clear that Jesus was far more likely a Buddhist than he was the demigod of the God of Abraham. It's really that simple. ========================================================== John.14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day. =========================================================== This example isn't an exact example, but it's roughly the same thing. Same I work at Wall Mart. You're looking for a job, thus i suggest wall mart... *the father drawing you in.* So you apply to the job with the manager of wall mart *Jesus Christ*. The owner hires you for the job. If you do your job well you get promoted *heaven*. This is how it works. The father will draw EVERYONE that seeks him first. I tell you of God, that little feeling/thought "well maybe he's right". That is the father speaking to you trying to draw you to him. Right then and there you have the choice to follow the path which leads to our father. So you get on the path... now where do you go? It's ok, you won't get lost Jesus is there to direct you to the way to our father. So...following God and Jesus is like working for Evil Inc...I mean Walmart. Good to know. And... I've sought God. Never found Him. Jesus, on the other hand, was hiding behind the couch the whole time. Crazy long haired hippie...he should stop walkin' on water and start showing with it....I'm just saying...nobody wants to smell your humanity..divinity...whatever... In any case, I'm not thinking "well maybe he's right". sorry dude... Have you really sought God? Have you really truly sought our father? Having no doubt, having no fears, having no second thoughts? Have you really true heartedly sought our father? You don't have to answer these if you do not wish, just asked mainly for you personally to think about. Recruiting to add more religious nutbags onto the already bloated number of fools who believe that crap. You guys have done enough damage to society already...stop tying to convert people into zombies. Every time you guys worm your way into our government we get results like these guys:
(sorry but it's never too early for XMAS!) Was not trying to recruit anything....... was merely asking a question. |
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the past is the past,now is the only thing thats real
RKISIT 3:16 |
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the past is the past,now is the only thing thats real RKISIT 3:16 True but nto all things come to an end from the past. Yesterday, in the past, we had the same laws in the USA as we do today, in the future. Things don't have a time limit till they become irrelevant, less it specifically says it's only for a certain allotted time. |
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the past is the past,now is the only thing thats real RKISIT 3:16 Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana (1863 - 1952), The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905 The Crusades, Hitler, The Dippic (crusade again)....who wants that crap back? ME 4:20 |
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