But did you seek him with an open mind? Or did you have prejudice thoughts in your journey?

umm...oi...yes...with tears in my eyes.

Someone is hanging some serious bait out here! OH HOW I WANT TO BITE BUT MUST RESIST URGE...

There are compelling reasons to not read too deeply into the Bible the way it is written.

The two commandments are all we need, not a bunch of rationalizing a religion.

The secret is within the word of, not the man who died.

And for God to send someone for us to kill to absolve us of our sins? I think people got this all wrong.

Putting Jesus in the position as the ONE TRUE SON OF GOD robs us all of our birthright as Children of God.

I couldn't resist!



Shame on me!

John 1:18

18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Definition of begotten: Adj. 1. begotten - (of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally begotten child"
biological - of parents and children; related by blood; "biological child"

You forget yes we are created by God in the long run, God created adam/eve and we procreated from thence. But Jesus is the only procreated child of our father.

If this be true god committed adultry.

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In any case, I've sought God and have found Him not. Sorry dude.
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In any case, since you did not find God he doesn't exist? So when kids go on an Easter egg hunt, and if one doesn't find any eggs then the eggs didn't exist in the first place?

In any case, since you did not find God he doesn't exist? So when kids go on an Easter egg hunt, and if one doesn't find any eggs then the eggs didn't exist in the first place?

Yes anyone who true heartedly seeks him shall find him. And in response to your response to this, actions speak louder then words.

The more I read some of these replies the more it reminds me of watching a couple of 10 year olds.I have to keep believing I am actually talking to adults here and not some immature 5th grader.Yet from what I have been reading I feel like I am at the wrong web site and have been redirected to some elementry school webpage for mentally challenged children.

Is this is how you debate I can see why Cowboy is usually the only person who is dealing with you.The rest of us are out there on other sites having logical,thoughtful,productive debates with mature,intellegent,respectful people who don't need to insult us with every other word they speak.


As far as us foolish Christians?About the only people who use that term are the Atheist.Christians schools and colleges are constantly outperforming everyone else.Home schooled Christians are also far superior in their knowledge compared to your average high school student.You famous foolish Christians would include nearly all the founding fathers,nearly all of our Presidents,the founders of some of the worlds greatest inventions,and the CEO's and founders of some of Americas most important companies.

Famous and intelligent Atheist???You might get 50 then again you might not.

You say going to church is what Jesus hated?Wow!!!!Reading about his life,praising his works,and worshiping and singing songs devoted to him is hatred towards Jesus???I would say that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard debating religion.Oh and Andy church is free.You don't have to pay a dime.


I do speak for God and I do speak for Jesus because I am telling you exactly what they said,and why they said it.I am a Christian disciple and when I quote bible verses I am speaking the words of God.


Every Christian I have ever met believes Jesus is their God and savior.You will not find half and half.It makes no difference if you pray to God or if you pray to Jesus because they are all one in three entities.The father,the son,and the Holy ghost.

I can see your lack of biblical knowledge is not only wrong it's embarrassing wrong.Job wasn't a push over he was quite the opposite.Job was a very Holy and faithful man.Satan told God if he killed all of his animals,killed all of his offspring,and left Job broke and homeless Job would deny God and curse God.God allowed Satan to have his way with Job and Satan killed all of his animals,all of his family,and everything else he could do except kill him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job

All of Job's possessions are destroyed and a 'ruach' (wind/spirit) causes the house of the firstborn to collapse killing all of Job's offspring who were gathered for a feast.[note 1] Job does not curse God after this but instead shaves his head, tears his clothes and says, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return: Lord has given, and Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of Lord" (Simplified).[4]

As Job endures these calamities without reproaching Divine Providence, Satan solicits permission to afflict his person as well, and God says, "Behold, he is in your hand, but don't touch his life." Satan, therefore, smites him with dreadful boils, and Job, seated in ashes, scrapes his skin with broken pottery. His wife prompts him to "curse God, and die" but Job answers, "You speak as one of the foolish speaks. Moreover, shall we receive good from God and shall not receive evil?"


Despite everything that happened to Job he never denied or cursed God not once.Satan was dead wrong about Job.Job never did anything Satan claimed he would do.God was so pleased with Job he gave his sons back to him,healed him of his boils,restored his house,and multiplied his animals many times over.It was said Job was so rich and powerful that he was in control of the entire Middle east.


There is much.much more to this story which is too long to post here.Job is is my most favorite books of the bible and is loaded with wisdom.I posted some bible verse here...

http://www.jesus-passion.com/JOB.htm#Chapter%2030

The Book of Job, Chapter 30
1 But now the younger in time scorn me, whose fathers I
would not have set with the dogs of my flock:
2 The strength of whose hands was to me as nothing, and they
were thought unworthy of life itself.
3 Barren with want and hunger, who gnawed in the wilderness,
disfigured with calamity and misery.
4 And they ate grass, and barks of trees, and the root of
junipers was their food.
5 Who snatched up these things out of the valleys, and when
they had found any of them, they ran to them with a cry.
6 They dwelt in the desert places of torrents, and in caves
of earth, or upon the gravel.
7 They pleased themselves among these kind of things, and
counted it delightful to be under the briers.
8 The children of foolish and base men, and not appearing at
all upon the earth.
9 Now I am turned into their song, and am become their
byword.
10 They abhor me, and flee far from me, and are not afraid to
spit in my face.
11 For he hath opened his quiver, and hath afflicted me, and
hath put a bridle into my mouth.
12 At the right hand of my rising, my calamities forthwith
arose: they have overthrown my feet, and have overwhelmed
me with their paths as with waves.
13 They have destroyed my ways, they have lain in wait
against me, and they have prevailed, and there was none to
help.
14 They have rushed in upon me, as when a wall is broken, and
a gate opened, and have rolled themselves down to my
miseries.
15 I am brought to nothing: as a wind thou hast taken away my
desire: and my prosperity hath passed away like a cloud.
16 And now my soul fadeth within myself, and the days of
affliction possess me.
17 In the night my bone is pierced with sorrows: and they
that feed upon me, do not sleep.
18 With the multitude of them my garment is consumed, and
they have girded me about, as with the collar of my coat.
19 I am compared to dirt, and am likened to embers and ashes.
20 I cry to thee, and thou hearest me not: I stand up, and
thou dost not regard me.
21 Thou art changed to be cruel toward me, and in the
hardness of thy hand thou art against me.
22 Thou hast lifted me up, and set me as it were upon the
wind, and thou hast mightily dashed me.
23 I know that thou wilt deliver me to death, where a house
is appointed for every one that liveth.
24 But yet thou stretchest not forth thy hand to their
consumption: and if they shall fall down thou wilt save.
25 I wept heretofore for him that was afflicted, and my soul
had compassion on the poor.
26 I expected good things, and evils are come upon me: I
waited for light, and darkness broke out.
27 My inner parts have boiled without any rest, the days of
affliction have prevented me.
28 I went mourning without indignation; I rose up, and cried
in the crowd.
29 I was the brother of dragons, and companion of ostriches.
30 My skin is become black upon me, and my bones are dried up
with heat.
31 My harp is turned to mourning, and my organ into the voice
of those that weep.

You say so much but say so little. on top of that you seem to forget Jesus in his day trashed the temple. He flat out threw a fit and in his violence drove the money changers out of the temple. Jesus viewed the church as a gathering of like minded people anywhere they happened to be. What is the church now? The EXACT same thing Jesus reviled. Money Changers and sellers of salvation.

You DARE point a finger and accuse me of being a five year old? nice Ad Hominum attack. REAL MATURE of you. I lost my childhood to the Church thank you! (Not by a molesting priest either!) If there are any children here it is those that resort to such attempts at debasing those of us who make very calculated observations of a topic.

Now since I am past your cheap shot show me where Jesus says I MUST be a member of a church to find salvation. And also if I am living a good life what have I got to be saved from? The possibility I may turn evil? OH TOO LATE! I have embraced my dark side as well as my light side. Oh but does accepting something that I may not like as part of me automatic grounds to condemn me to hell? If so who made you my judge? I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE DIP DARE YOU to show me in words I am condemned becasue that will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt people like you will do things against the very scriptures you pound why? instead of leaving the Judgment to God you are trying to find ways of Justifying YOUR opinion about how God will see the matter.

So who is immature here now???




On top of that all the paraphrasing you threw at me is utterly meaningless to the matter at hand. Not to come off condescending but there is no message, just a bunch of nifty quotes tossed like salad.