Ab, what kinds of books have you been reading?

Who is portraying monstrous, psychotic, or even erratic behavior?

Who keeps changing his beliefs?
...rantings and railing over his ever-changing literary findings (having no evidence, only speculations) as though he is totally convinced of them.

Can you possibly contrast these ideologies with some other religions, I mean if someone wants to make choice it would be nice to offer a variety.

Christianity is a combination of may Pagan beliefs.

Corruption! It hijacked, combined and corrupted Pagan beliefs. Rather sad.

Recently I've been reading various ceremonial lesson books on the High Magickal Arts. One of them, Modern Magic has a lot of history associated with the Qabalah, or Kaballah, and is actually authored by a Jew who, at a very young age, realized that modern Judaism has problems. As a young boy he was instructed in how to perform various religious ceremonies, but he found them mysterious and wanted to better understand their origins. So it became his life's goal to better understand the origins of the ceremonies associated with Judaism. In this book he tells his story of how he discovered that the true origin of these ceremonies actually has it's roots in the practice of Magic, and that much of the original ideas actually came from the Egyptians and from the Eastern Mystics of India.

I had no clue that the author of this book was going to take this stance when I first bought the book. I was simply interested in the lessons on high magickal arts. But everything he says aligns with my own discoveries through out my life's journey.



Well, IMHO, religious bigotry in the name of a jealous God is itself monstrous, psychotic and erratic behavior.



Not me.

I don't think it's "fair" to say that I ever truly "believed" in Christianity. Sure I was taught that the Bible is the word of God and that Jesus was the Son of God, and therefore I "accepted this as truth" because I "believed" my parents and the other Christian adults around me.

However, let's face it, that kind of so-called "belief" is not truly a belief at all, it's merely an "acceptance" of someone else's beliefs. Probably about 99.9% of all people who call themselves "Christians" fall into this category.

So even though I "believed" it on pure "faith". Faith that my parents and the church clergy knew what they were talking about, I didn't truly understand it well enough to say that I "honestly" believe it myself.

So I set about to fix that and understand it well enough so that I could indeed be "honest" about my belief in something by actually believing it directly, rather than just taking someone else's word for it.

Well, I already told you the story. Once I started to actually study it for myself I realized that it is unbelievable, IMHO. That was not a "choice" but rather an "insight".

I would need to lie to myself, my parents, God, and everyone, to pretend that I actually believe that the Bible is the infallible "Word" and instructions from an "all-wise" God. In TRUTH, these stories are neither "wise" or logically consistent. And in all honesty I see no reason to believe that unwise inconsistent stories are the "Word" of any God. Especially considering that this God is Jealous, Male-chauvinistic, directs people to murder heathens, and never did a damn thing to stop atrocities in His Name, such as the witch burnings, the crusades, and the holocaust of the Jews.

There's just no way that these fables can be true, IMHO.

So that means there must be another explanation. Either they were totally fabricated with intent to lie, or they are merely superstitious that reflect the history of a male-chauvinistic society that used "God" as an excuse to justify their brutal wars (and the taking of "promised land" from other cultures)

I think that in addition to my personal interest in spiritual truth, it might also be insightful to understand that academically and in terms of career my life has been devoted to science. Once again, a search for TRUTH.

So my understanding of science played a role in this as well. But I won't go into that here.

As far as your "charge" that I keep changing my beliefs, that's nothing more than your own misperception.

For one thing like Adventure Begins (other poster here), I too have felt a connection with "God" since birth. So my ultimate experience in life is that God is with me always (irregardless of religion). A "belief" in any particular religion is truly a moot point.

Once I realized that the Bible is false and that all the Abrahamic religions are basically nothing more than a glorified version of Zeus, I began to move on to learning about visions of spirituality that go beyond these trivial ideas of egotistical godheads who lust to be worshiped lest they will cast their enemies into a lake of fire.

I quickly discovered that Eastern Mysticism holds far more truth than any other human philosophy.

However, even Eastern Mysticism has become tainted by mankind's desire to deteriorate all spirituality into "dogmatic religions". There are clearly forms of Eastern Mysticism that do indeed worship godhead figures. Although if you look closely at their foundational roots you'll see that these godhead figures started out originally as abstract archetypes and simply became religious idols over time.

There are also many different forms of Eastern Mysticism. From the original form of Buddhism started by Siddhartha Gautama (although he clearly did not invent the underlying philosophy, he simply helped it to become popular). To the almost atheistic form of Zen Buddhism that we hear a lot about today. There is a whole spectrum of various spiritual thoughts in the interim. Two of my favorites are Mahayana Buddhism, and Tantra Buddhism.

And the very mention of Tantra Buddhism brings me to Taoism which is a Chinese version of mysticism.

All of these mystical philosophies have much in common. To see someone studying all of these different form of human thought does not mean that they are constantly "changing" their beliefs. That kind of thinking is precisely the kind of "Monstrous Jealous Dogmatic" thinking that religions like Christianity and the other Abrhamic religions generate.

"If you don't believe in our Dogma, then you are worshiping some other false God!"

So from your point of view, someone who studies all the different religions of the world appears to be jumping around from one "God" to the next. But that's ridiculous. All spirituality leads to the same "God".

If I tell you that I worship the creator of the universe and always have then how can you say that I've ever changed my 'beliefs'?

After studying the philosophies of the Eastern Mystics I met a witch right here on these very forums. She introduced me to Wicca. Not as both a previous Christian, and as a scientist, I have always been taught to view "witchcraft" as nothing more than utterly absurd silliness.

However, this particular witch considers herself to be a "Catholic Witch" (which may seem like a blatant contradiction in terms, it certainly did to me at the time as well). But this witch was very intelligent and made sense in everything she said, and her spiritual essence radiated through her posts. I could see that she was as sincere about her convictions as any human spirit can possibly be.

She recommended some books on witchcraft and I read them. Much to my surprise this spiritual tradition is quite sound and reasonable. Not only that, but it clearly contains much of the same wisdom and truth that is contained in the Eastern Mystical spiritual philosophies.

I found witchcraft and the Goddess to be "romantically attractive".

Yes, that's right. There is a highly charged emotional attraction for me toward this spiritual tradition of witchcraft with their Moon Goddess and Sun God. The more I studied it the more truth and beauty became apparent. It's a beautiful religion and I'm convinced that if everyone on Earth became a Wiccan as this witch presented it to me, the world would indeed become heaven on Earth.

How more divine does a religion need to be before it can be said to be "of God"?

But again, you need to recognize the Moon Goddess and the Sun God as archetypes of the deeper and more mystical cosmic consciousness, or mind of God. Once you are able to do that, you see that it's all just mysticism presented in various ways.

Go back to the Bible and study it now with all this insight and you'll quickly recognize that Jesus was not a demigod at all, but rather he was a mystic not unlike Buddha, and others.

You just don't need an egotistical Zeus-like Godhead who is a male-chauvinist who rejects "heathens" where a "heathen" is simply defined as anyone who rejects the mythologies of a particular HUMAN culture.

That kind of egotistical "God" just isn't even necessarily, much less "divine"

In the end, it's not about "religion" and "which religion do you believe in?"

It's about God, and whether or not you can see past the religions to see the truth of spirituality beyond any dogma.

Keep in mind, that it's the Abrahamic religions that cause people to point fingers at each other saying, "You worshiping the wrong God!", or, "You keep changing which God you align yourself with!".

That's just in in the nutshell. God is not something you need to align yourself with as if you are a WAR with other religions.

Give up the proselytizing of a believe in a particular religion, and embrace a SINGLE CREATOR that all religions ultimate worship together.

You can worship Jesus, and I'll worship the Moon Goddess, if you cannot understand that they are one in the same, that's your problem, not mine.

Well, the truly saddest part is that not only have they corrupted it, but they then have the audacity to condemn all others as 'heathens' for not cowering down to their corrupted egotistical views of "God".

That's what makes it so sad.

If they had only corrupted it for themselves it wouldn't have been such a crime against humanity, but the fact that they then hold it over everyone else's head as a tool of condemnation is what truly makes it sad.

And the Abrahamic religions have to condemn each other as well. So it's just constant finger-pointing that never ends. All in the name of a jealous male-chauvinistic Zeus-like Godhead.

What will it take to get people to wake-up to the atrocity they have created in the name of "God"?

In a word, ALIENS!

#10 is the only one I will discuss at this time.

All other religions from greek gods to norse gods to native american gods did have their versions of heaven and hell. They did offer everlasting life from whichever deity you worshipped. The greeks had the elysian fields, the norse had valhalla and so on and so forth. So yes other religions did offer the everlasting life thing.
All that was required was to worship your patron deity and follow their requirements and you would be taken care of after your death.

Maybe someone should discuss the evils in which christianity played a major part...

Christian crusades, salem witch trials, and such. How many people were murdered in the name of christ? I'm all for having something to believe in but if you want to follow religion you can't choose to ignore it's darker side just because it's not favorable to the religion.

Thanks, you're such a time saver...I laughed at their first one...like they can even prove Peter existed...well maybe a Dick did at the time...there are ***** in that religion everywhere.

Regardless of what the people did on the crusades, the witch trials, and such. Christianity teaches us to do quite the opposite. These were not good examples of how we are to live the Christian life. Our father in no way instructs us to do any of that. He teaches us quite the opposite. He teaches us quite the opposite in this particular area with one sentence. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

We are not to judge others and this is exactly what they were doing. They were sentencing these people to death for the judgement they made. They were just as much in the wrong as the people not worshipping our father. As the old saying goes "Two wrongs don't make a right".

The word teaches us to love EVERYONE, regardless of their beliefs, ethnicity, social level, ect. We are to love everyone including our enemies. And we can not possibly say we love someone, when we're murdering them and their family now can we? No we can not. So therefore just another example of people that took the title "christian" in vein and didn't hold to it's laws therein.

beliefs are personal, they are validated by each individuals life and experiences


If I grow up in a family where the men rape me daily, I probably will believe all men are dogs, if I grow up and run into men who treat me well, that belief may become invalidated along the way

I believe in Christ and in the Bible, I believed in the golden rule even before I knew what it was called and the BIBLE actually validated that belief for me

my life has been a circle in which the Bible has validated beliefs I already held and experiences I have had have validated the lessons of the Bible


I love and totally relate to CERIS ROSE and his reasons for his faith, but its truly a very indidividual thing

thanx for sharing with us CERIS, I felt it was beautiful
It would be great for others from other faiths to share in this forum the reasons they believe as they do as well,,,,,

OP listed 10 reasons to believe in the Christian faith.

Actually you really need only one.

BECAUSE YOU DO.