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I offered to dual with her. I guess she must be a pacifist. Thats okay; I like peacemakers. She must be blessed. I take the gauntlet back. Its hard to get a good gauntlet these days. Its not like the old days where you could just find them laying around the battlefield.
The Gardener's Battle Should I fertilize the garden or the gardener? Or should I just worry about the bad weeds? I just love my hoe; It makes me work harder. I just love my garden; I love to plant seeds. I have so many rocks and try to get some off. The ground gets tough; I use my little tiller. I try to soften the ground but some scoff. I think the fertilizer makes a pleasant filler. Sometimes the ground can be so hard to break. Too many roots can choke out the new plants. I love tomatoes and some I would like to take. I used to wear a robe but I prefer the pants. The rain doesn't always come so I irrigate. Sometimes there are bugs so I have to spray. This sexy gardener offered; I can't wait. I hope everyone can harvest a garden, today. |
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Hey, Moe. Maybe you could explain to her how to defrag her hard drive or explain to her how Linux doesn't need to be defragged.
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Moe is Smooooth
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Edited by
danaleekss
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Mon 08/30/10 10:06 AM
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regarding hostility on the internet: I don't play that way, I ignore it and only put energy forth into positive connections (the negative ones I let go)
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So do you like dualing? We were checked for sharp objects when we were in detox. Heck, some of the junkies couldn't even keep their spoons straight. As a resident assistant I was left in charge later after I went through Hope House which was a halfway house. I didn't make it through the program the first time. The first time I was still in denial but went through what the counselor said was Pollyanna. I had nine months living on this pink cloud. It wasn't wasted time though. The seed was planted; They sure screwed up my alcoholism and drug addiction. I had this mixed drink in my hand and through association with a picture I had seen in the Metro group I was able to see the alcohol as poison. The picture was of an old man in a dark-lit place staring into his glass of alcohol and in the glass was another picture of a skull and crossbones. My mind made the connection of poison because I had seen the skull and crossbones on old cleaning products I had seen. It was awesome; I had a Pavlovian response just like Pavlov had with his experiment with his dog with the food and bell. It was such a spiritual experience for me I cried. It broke me free through all of my mental blocks and I was able to accept the first step. It was no longer just these sick people I felt sorry for but I could feel sorry for me. Recovery was then possible and the panic attacks left me. I could make it beyond the fifteen minute time period. The agoraphobia and the claustrophobia both lost their hold on me. Sanctuary was not just a building that had recovery; Recovery itself was sanctuary. The dendrites and axons were flooded with insights and my synaptic nerve endings were tingling with excitement. I was able to bridge the gaps in what was told me in counseling sessions, group therapy and my spiritual experience. Tabula Rasa was no longer a blank slate as my mind started to adapt to the programming. It was still dark but that was just the fog and they told me if I kept going to meetings the fog would eventually lift. But that was okay because that little spark was enough to light my path and I no longer had to stay in the cave of denial. Since then I have even been sanctuary to others lost in the opaque world of denial. spiritual experiences are powerful and transforming. I was just relating how I think all illness has a primary spiritual component. I'm glad you found what works. My dad does MI/CD therapy...I've helped give lectures. we look at the issues that drove a person to abuse chemicals - often there is an underlying mood disorder that is so diffuse no one picks up on it. there is a spectrum...in bipolar 2 (which is what I have) --people move in between periods of deep depression and alternating into hypomania. but the interesting thing is hypomania can be experienced as this annoying, anxious energy. when spring hit people were overjoyed here in MN, but what happened was it was cold, cloudy, dark for weeks before hand and then one day it was 75 degrees. too sharp of a shift! I was crazy anxious...and so were my patients (I have 3 jobs, one of which is mental health nursing) ....in august people who swing on a greater scale have difficulty with mania/hypomania and then when it the dead of winter its depression. this all relates to sleep/wake cycles as light hits the back of the eyes and triggers the brain to process when you are supposed to be awake. this is the crux of treating bipolar, essentially, as lithium serves to reset that internal clock. if you are sensitive to light and this process you will be injected with wake chemicals even in the dark of night, due to things like the TV or monitor, not kidding. And say you are sitting at the computer for a few hours before bed, your brain is telling your body...'it's awake time' so when you try and sleep you can't get that deep rest with REM. over time the person becomes so sleep deprived even though they spend time sleeping, it causes damage. the less sleep you get the less healthier you are to be able to fall asleep. (good to mention all people swing and cycle, just not so dramatically) most people I know that have struggled with addiction have this bipolar 2, because it's very hard to pick up on. naturally people like the highs and want them to be higher, so they use chemicals - and then when the anxiety or depression hits, they use chemicals as it initially has a positive effect. alcohol is a sugar very close to glucose, the body takes it up as food/energy inside the cells and tries to run it through that mitochondria cycle where it splits off electrons to make ATP (energy)...except it doesn't work with alcohol sugars!! craziness... so people who are sensitive because they don't rest well will respond much like someone in a diabetic episode of low sugar...it's the same thing actually. Irritable, hostile, irrational...and it causes more damage which further makes this whole process even more difficult to come out of. it's really important to help people with sleep hygiene, where you dim the lights in the eve. dim the monitor, etc... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15654938 they put these people in constant darkness to treat mania, and it works. no meds, just dark so people can rest properly. I am always working to get to the bottom of illness as prevention and holistic treatment. my consulting is primarily based on helping people find the root and get off or reduce meds, live healthier etc....this whole cycle of doping a person up is just a band aid, they still never sleep because these meds impair REM!! I mean, they are sleeping but not healthy sleeping. It's like Micheal Jackson - he had narcissism (as his dad beat him terribly as a child and forced him to perform) which caused this intense anxiety making sleep impossible. so he used benzos (valium, xanax) which essentially impair REM and you develop a tolerance...he DIED because this totally ridiculous doctor thought that unconsciousness meant sleep. um, no. he put MJ to sleep with anesthetics...which completely undermines healthy rest. this over time killed him as his body was exhausted. I couldn't believe these physicians thought that unconsciousness from sedating meds was the same as real sleep. nice chatting...nice to E-meet you! |
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but she is hot though, you gotta admit... I broke my word already, I read some posts of Danaleeks's in another forum on this site... and she made a lot of solid sense there. I don't know what to say... is she out of her depth in philosophy? Because in pscychology she certainly displays solid, up-to-date knowledge. And she disseminates that psych knowledge clearly and vividly. Not one vague or misleading concept or argument in her texts. Her thoughts are well organized in those other posts. Hm. I know a lot about psychology, obviously it's what I do, right? Philosophy I really know nothing about, so I was reading these different things, and wanted them to be stored in my memory - the best way is to talk about it. this teacher I had always gave a personal type story to go along with the teaching, saying that you used both sides of the brain which is better. just reading these concentrated subjects is difficult to lodge into the long term... so we talk about it, get personal experiences in there and you integrate that more readily. and that is essentially why I posted. I'm no expert on philosophy, but I want to learn as much as I can, it improves my life and adds a deeper dimension to reflect on. when I posted to you yesterday I was thinking your post was a clip taken from somewhere - if those were your words I just don't understand these message boards which doesn't surprise me. if I offended you, it wasn't intentional. I would have exercised a more careful analysis out of respect and propriety. |
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I offered to dual with her. I guess she must be a pacifist. Thats okay; I like peacemakers. She must be blessed. I take the gauntlet back. Its hard to get a good gauntlet these days. Its not like the old days where you could just find them laying around the battlefield. The Gardener's Battle Should I fertilize the garden or the gardener? Or should I just worry about the bad weeds? I just love my hoe; It makes me work harder. I just love my garden; I love to plant seeds. I have so many rocks and try to get some off. The ground gets tough; I use my little tiller. I try to soften the ground but some scoff. I think the fertilizer makes a pleasant filler. Sometimes the ground can be so hard to break. Too many roots can choke out the new plants. I love tomatoes and some I would like to take. I used to wear a robe but I prefer the pants. The rain doesn't always come so I irrigate. Sometimes there are bugs so I have to spray. This sexy gardener offered; I can't wait. I hope everyone can harvest a garden, today. I should have never put these pictures up; I did because ppl like have a positive image to reflect on, an identity given the sterility of the internet (and we can understand a person through how they look, smile, laugh) and there is a time for pacifism, but life evolved and survives also by defending oneself, aggression...so I'm not against violence that has a greater purpose (as in protecting yourself or country) ...if it has no logical place, I always opt for staying out of the conflict, more peaceful approaches. |
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Edited by
danaleekss
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Mon 08/30/10 10:58 AM
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Danaleeks, I have formed the following OPINION: 1. You make no sense. 2. Your statements of rebuffing other's statements are based on a system of degrading statements to mere opinions, and then claiming logical victory over the other by nullifying the logical value of the other's statements. This practice works for you, just as much as it would work for anyone else, but it is not a valid practice, as it does not deal with any issue directly, it is just a way to vent opinions after opinions, which are unassailable, therefore a dialogue can't be established. In your system of looking at things, communication can be nothing else but a series of monologues of people, with no right or ability to dispute other's claims. 3. Your conversational style mostly does not make a reference to who else's post you reply to, which makes making sense of what you say even harder. 4. You shroud yourself in expressions and acronysms (KMA, dualism, etc.) that are either completely and by you predictably incomprehensible to others, or else that are words that can have many hugely and significantly different meanings, and you don't specify at the first utterance which meaning you use it in. You explain later, but that's too little too late. If you don't communicate clearly in the first place, and find others befuzzled by your statements, please don't make the mistake of thinking that you are superior to us (and I say this as a hypothetical situation, it is not my claim that you feel superior); it is not our ineptitude that we don't understand you due to your hazy and unclear communication style. 5. You make a bold statement and when you are called to defend it against criticism, you shif the relevance of a few words you used, and argue why the shifted relevance is valid. You don't even notice the shift you had made. This makes intelligent dialogue impossible. If you don't know what you say and can transform your own statements so easily, effortlessly and falsely, then please understand that my not wishing to talk to you any more is not of prejudice or personal dislike, it is out of frustration and an unwillingness to show you every time how you went wrong; because my explanation how you went wrong you will tranform again, and the process potentially can continue into infinity, without your understanding me, yourself, or what I am trying to point out in your statements. This is beyond frustrating, and clearly not worth the effort on my part at all. 6. Without speaking for anyone else, I find understanding you, agreeing with you, or even disagreeing with you is way too much effort, way more than it would be worth. I also find that you may or may not be saying anything of substance, but to see whether you do or not presents so much mental work that it, again, is not worth doing for my personal considerations of why I am on forums and message boards. 7. Therefore I shall never talk to you again, and I shall skim over your posts, as they are, to me, valueless and contribute nothing. but she is hot though, you gotta admit... OMG you should talk to my boyfriend. He's a solid 11 younger than me...very smart guy, mathematician, extremely well studied. I mean, he is the portrait of a nerd/geek and spent his childhood reading 19th century lit and listening to classical music. His parents were normals, they are really annoyed with this as they listen to pink floyd, country...he's an anomaly. so i'm not sure how high his IQ is but it's pretty damn high given he has taught and tutored for SAT. My point is that no amount of intellect or ability will help you with a women. He is clueless. In fact I think it impairs his ability to emotionally relate. So men try and come off as smart to approach me, but I already know that spiritual/deep people will have an easier time because I am receptive to kindness, not intelligence. |
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Wow. Mental health nurse. Sorry I misjudged you. I hope you can forgive me. What you were talking about was way over my head. It was the nurses who helped doctored me back to health. As I was sitting in the snow that cold night wanting so desperately to make that ultimate trip out two large men picked me up and walked me into this building. The guy sitting at the desk asked me my name and I thought it was the hardest question I had ever been asked. As one of the men was pulling my wallet out of my back pocket I passed out in the floor. I woke later in a bed shivering from delirium tremens trying to make out what the doves in the vent above my head were talking about. Then I passed out again. Later, I am not sure how much later, a nurse handed me crackers with peanut butter and had me drink some orange juice. I ate and drank. Then I passed out again. Later, a man asked me when I was able to get up because I had been in a weakened condition what I had been prescribing myself. I thought quite naturally that he was a narcotics agent and I should be careful how I answered him. Because in my past nobody except the law asked questions like that.
Self Denial The want. The craving. The need. I said no. But what about me? Why can't I have? Why must I be denied? Must we go over this, again? You heard what I said. But it is not fair? Who said life is fair? But others have. Why can they have and not me? Why must I suffer? What made them better? I am acting like I don't hear you so give it up. Who made you my conscience and put you in charge? Drop it I say. Can't you admit it would be nice? What if it was you? Would you let it go? You know how I feel about it and I said no. Your heartless. Yes, so learn to live with it. How can you be so calm? How can you be so cruel? You like making me do without; don't you? Grow up. You are making a fool out of yourself. Try to be reasonable about it. Think about what is best. I am ignoring you now. How do you like it? How does it feel when it is you? But the joke is on you. Don't you get it? Get what? I am you. |
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Edited by
wux
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Mon 08/30/10 01:45 PM
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but she is hot though, you gotta admit... I broke my word already, I read some posts of Danaleeks's in another forum on this site... and she made a lot of solid sense there. I don't know what to say... is she out of her depth in philosophy? Because in pscychology she certainly displays solid, up-to-date knowledge. And she disseminates that psych knowledge clearly and vividly. Not one vague or misleading concept or argument in her texts. Her thoughts are well organized in those other posts. Hm. I know a lot about psychology, obviously it's what I do, right? Philosophy I really know nothing about, so I was reading these different things, and wanted them to be stored in my memory - the best way is to talk about it. this teacher I had always gave a personal type story to go along with the teaching, saying that you used both sides of the brain which is better. just reading these concentrated subjects is difficult to lodge into the long term... so we talk about it, get personal experiences in there and you integrate that more readily. and that is essentially why I posted. I'm no expert on philosophy, but I want to learn as much as I can, it improves my life and adds a deeper dimension to reflect on. when I posted to you yesterday I was thinking your post was a clip taken from somewhere - if those were your words I just don't understand these message boards which doesn't surprise me. if I offended you, it wasn't intentional. I would have exercised a more careful analysis out of respect and propriety. ------------ lady, please get into the habit of referencing. You I think wrote this as a response to me, but when you write "your post was clip taken from somewhere", how can you expect a reply to it? WE don't actually who "you" is that you reference; what post; what clip. You make no sense. I don't think you offended me -- I can't remember. But you certainly irritate me with your presumptuously expecting others to know what you are referencing, and in most of your comments you reference something that we don't know what it is. I can't handle that. Sorry. If you don't make sense to me, I can't respond. If I make a statement, you skim over it, you don't read it. What is... the point of that? Why do you leave tons of posts with references that nobody can place, outside of yourself? What is it you are trying to say, direct our attention to, or convey? So far you succeeded in making me irritated with your posts, nothing else. (In this thread.) And you continue your habits that I criticised, without any heed paid to them. WEll, of course, you did not read my post. If you read my post you'd find, I hope, that its ideas are comprehendible. Yours are not, if you read them as a person outside of yourself. You are carrying your weight in your looks, not at all in communicating. Yet you communicate, or rather, you write, instead of stripping your clothes in clubs. I don't mean it derogatorily. But it is my strong opinion that your readership follows you for your looks, not for your words, and they try to get in edgewise, to have a foot-hold or a grabbing knob, that they think will help them to scale the wall and get to you. Maybe that's your game (maybe). That you make these impossibly senseless statements, which people will analyze and read and try to make sense of, and you know that, and make more and more of them, because it's so much fun. For you. Not for us. For instance, if you really don't know philosophy, you would not ask us for our opinion between dualism and that atva-whatever word. But when you were asked what dualism, you shifted meaning and avoided to answer. So you don't know philosophy. Then next day you come out and make a statement that you don't know philosophy. So why ask a question about philosophy that you yourself can't explain, in an air that indicated you were in positive knowledge what you were asking about? |
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Edited by
danaleekss
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Mon 08/30/10 02:14 PM
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WE don't actually who "you" is that you reference; what post; what clip. >>
you speak for everyone? haha....relax. most of what we say about others is actually true about ourselves. So each of us can sit down and read what we wrote and reflect. And that is why I write ...you help me learn about myself and so forth. |
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I think that is cool how you feel about your patients. I feel the same about my residents. Here is one I wrote about Alice.
Ancient Alice Eyes that follow me across the room. Eyes that have such sorrow and gloom. Eyes that pierce my heart and soul. But, Alice you will never really know. Eyes that have seen such a violent past. Eyes that look away but then hold fast. Eyes that forgive strangers in their job. But, Alice your tears cause me to sob. Eyes that hold pain when you flinch. Eyes that reflect on your inward trench. Eyes that once must have known to swirl. But, Alice it was long ago you were a girl. Eyes that must have knew a happier time. Eyes that can focus past your lost prime. Eyes that remind me so much of mine. But, Alice men must have stood in line. Eyes that see much farther than the haze. Eyes that are some how are out of phase. Eyes that capture my memories of you. But, Alice your eyes will always be true. |
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Edited by
msmyka
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Mon 08/30/10 05:55 PM
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Sometimes you're just not going to see eye to eye and it's best to walk away.
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Hey, Moe. Maybe you could explain to her how to defrag her hard drive or explain to her how Linux doesn't need to be defragged. i just click the button that says defrag... |
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Edited by
Thorb
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Mon 08/30/10 07:06 PM
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Actually .............. stop typing it IN the quote boxes ....
Sometimes you're just not going to see eye to eye and it's best to walk away. isn`t that just a single decission ???? I thought this thread was supposed to be on that hot issue of the month ... duality ... Thinking to myself it could all be the left brain dukin' it out with the right brain periodicly letting the pineal gland take charge. hmmmmmmm.... shouldn`t we maybe change it to .... triality ? [but that could lead to poople thunkin' its a trinity and now there we are ... at the ...... Matrix ... and thinkin' a hot babes with brains] |
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Actually .............. stop typing it IN the quote boxes .... Sometimes you're just not going to see eye to eye and it's best to walk away. isn`t that just a single decission ???? I thought this thread was supposed to be on that hot issue of the month ... duality ... Thinking to myself it could all be the left brain dukin' it out with the right brain periodicly letting the pineal gland take charge. hmmmmmmm.... shouldn`t we maybe change it to .... triality ? [but that could lead to poople thunkin' its a trinity and now there we are ... at the ...... Matrix ... and thinkin' a hot babes with brains] I'm wondering how typing in the quote boxes even happens. Sometimes you're just not going to see eye to eye and it's best to walk away.>> That's something you tell yourself, maybe others will pick up on it, but not if you tell them....they're going to dig their heels in! I thought all babes have brains, you going to objectify our brains now too? lol ahhh that's so annoying 'All I want to do is cuddle right now.' WTF? I know you men...it's always I'm a sex machine and then you fall asleep before ten. In fact, the more a man boasts the less he has libido. I wanted to talk about what would people feel like if they didn't know they had a body. Imagine you without a body. Bc that's what babies are. So cute...they have no idea what they are...and somewhere they learn who they are first through mom, then these states oral...it takes in the outside world...and yeah, gets rid of it...some kids can't flush the toilet, it's terror to let that thing go. It was part of them OMG!! So they learn about themselves through these processes and when a person faces insurmountable pressure, some regress to these stages. Honestly...bottles, smoking, eating - and the other well you don't want to know what these people do. But let's just say it doesn't go down the toilet. Which is messed up strange. Anyone have boundary issues and feel depersonalized? Feel like you don't know where you end and where everything else begins? That is what I wanted to talk about. |
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Edited by
Thorb
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Mon 08/30/10 08:40 PM
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Anyone have boundary issues and feel depersonalized? Feel like you don't know where you end and where everything else begins? That is what I wanted to talk about. ^ if that is really what you wanted to talk about you should have stated that ... and not some premise of duality. |
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This is a reminder to debate the topic in a civil manner and do not make personal attacks.
Kim |
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I wanted to talk about what would people feel like if they didn't know they had a body. Imagine you without a body. Bc that's what babies are. So cute...they have no idea what they are...and somewhere they learn who they are first through mom, then these states oral...it takes in the outside world...and yeah, gets rid of it...some kids can't flush the toilet, it's terror to let that thing go. It was part of them OMG!! So they learn about themselves through these processes and when a person faces insurmountable pressure, some regress to these stages. Honestly...bottles, smoking, eating - and the other well you don't want to know what these people do. But let's just say it doesn't go down the toilet. Which is messed up strange.
Anyone have boundary issues and feel depersonalized? Feel like you don't know where you end and where everything else begins? That is what I wanted to talk about. Ghost Enchanter I gave it all up for you. But you decided we're through. And you say that I am the ghost. You lasted longer than most. Leave you just for a little while. Now I can't even get you to smile. Has it really been that long? Can't you even remember our song? Have you met some new enchantress? Did she cause your mind to dance? Did it sadden you when she went away? It is hard work to make a ghost stay. Ghosts are like that; Don't you know? You think you see something and no show. Sometimes we are visible just to you. Sometimes it is just the mind's eye, too. But you will keep on seeing these ghosts. Because you are a better enchanter than most. But others see ghosts just like you do. Nice to spend this enchanted evening with you. Hows that? Just two ghosts sharing a good time together with nobodies present.
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Sometimes you're just not going to see eye to eye and it's best to walk away. Just snort a couple rails of ginkgo biloba then mainline some omega3 fish oil... works for me |
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