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PS People should not have kids if they cannot afford to. SO THERE! Wouldnt it be a wonderful planet if everything went according to plan and only when scheduled  Abortion! There! I am so sick of the BULL**** Logic people go by to justify the needs of "the poor." Now Msharmony, The poor pay taxes? Really? Since when? Sales tax? How about income tax? In the raw numbers below a certain percentage they don't pay taxes if they even file. Do you think that fuque with the "Homeless and Hungry" sign pays any taxes? The middle class and the rich pay most of the tax burden. Please don't try to feed me that twisted logic! I spelled it out. People need to grow a spine or slink off like jellyfish. I am so sick and tired of all this coddling of all these "hurt, innocent, victims" of a cruel and heartless system. I am sick and tired of lazy azzholes constantly making excuses and trying to make the rest of us pay their way and their living. I should not have to support someone else's kids! Abortion??? how easily that word slides off your lips...being a MAN and all. I cant even imagine my life without my chickadees, they are my greatest treasure in life. After my divorce, I was a sole support parent. I raised my two nieces as well. I worked two jobs for ten years to do it. I wouldnt change a bloody thing! Perhaps someday you may mature and have the blessing of children. Until that day your talkin out your azz. Think twice before you so blithely demand that peeps do things you have no concept of. Arrogance, lack of compassion, and intolerance are the worst human traits 
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you |
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You can sure see all the prejudice against the poor people of this county by what they say. First untruth=all poor people are lazy Second untruth=all poor people are criminals Third untruth, and a really stupid one= all poor people try to make other mouths to feed to get more money from the government  All poor people are just like all non poor people, they just have less or no money. That is the only difference. To classify them as lazy breeding criminals is really a sick ideology. It is an untrue hate tactic. Hatemongering. Obviously, you've never been to LA or Detroit. It doesn't matter where you go it is the same story, poor people are poor and they struggle. No poor person wants to be poor. |
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I guess the saying "they kick you when your down" is true in this country.
It is sickening. Women on birth control get pregnant, that is not their fault that the birth control failed and if they do not believe in abortion, they are going to have a child. We pay for the children they give up for adoption to with our taxes so don't fool yourself that that option doesn't come back to the tax payer and it is cheaper for the mother to raise the child on welfare than it is for the child to go into foster care. And men who speak about abortion and having children really need to shut the hell up about it. Talk about an individual speaking about something they cannot know anything about. Poor people are always going to be here, it the bane of a capitalistic nation. And there will be those that are capable of pulling themselves out of the rut of poverty and there will be those who just can't do it. They try and try but it never happens so they live their whole lives in poverty and their children too. Noone can live off of welfare all their lives because the program doesn't allow it so they will make a pittance at a low wage job struggling along. But they shouldn't be judged because they are disadvantaged. The disadvantaged in this nation are just as important to this nation as the wealthy are. We are all Americans. Poor people are poor for all kinds of reasons. Mental incapacity Mental health issues Physical impairments Low education Mental health issues are one of the most common. People who have mental health issues do not realize that they have them, they just struggle through life trying and trying but never getting anywhere. That is the vast majority of the poor that are chronically poor and can't seem to function. I know I saw them in my office on a daily basis. I would refer them to mental health but our mental health system in this country sucks and the people still never get the health care they need in this area. So to judge them harshly and with untrue myths in my opinion shows personal prejudices and issues, it doesn't reflect badly on the poor. |
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First and foremost, I have been working since I was 13 and real jobs. My savings was sucked away by my father paying his bills and tithing to the church while he was on unemployment for years. I fuquing ate SO MUCH ramen as a teenager I cannot stand the smell of the stuff let alone look at it in a super market. The same thing happened to my brother. So quit looking down your nose at me. I have been in hell. I have seen the face of the devil.
I have to work outside of the scope of my real job because of the economy. Adapt or die. That is a rule of life! You can't find a job? GET CREATIVE! I do work I HATE because it is what is available. "Oh I can't get a job because of the economy..." BOO FRIKKEN HOO! Is that any excuse to not retrain? Most states with Unemployment offer job training... I warned all my friends in construction what was coming. I was smart enough to know where I can make money in Construction where most of them are still looking for any work they can get and I GOT plenty of work but not enough trust. I know their work ethnics and that bothers me a lot. People take advantage of friendships. Offer them work and they don't show up or they screw off and expect to get half of the job! PLEASE! Now Venusenvy, It is one thing to have a life, two incomes, everything is going well and suddenly s**t happens and then you are separated and have a whole lot more responsibility dumped on you. That is what welfare is for. To help you through the hard times so you can get back on your feet. It is one thing for two people to make a conscientious decision to bring children into this world vs. two kids having sex and having an "accident." it is also another thing when a woman just HAS to have a baby and she cannot afford to raise a child at all. I do not buy this whole "Biological clock" and 'it isn't our decision crap.' Take it to a church! I'm 45 and avoided having kids. Why? Because I KNOW I cannot afford to have kids. I am not going to be torn between being a slave to making a decent life for myself having to be a slave to my work and being a slave to raising children. Don't feed me that "Magical Sacrifice" crap either. You love your children. That is how it is supposed to be. It is your responsibility, not mine. WAY too many irresponsible people are having kids when they should not be. OCTOMOM! I would love to see that fat lipped COW sterilized and her children taken away from her. I watched my mom struggle trying to raise my brother and me, have her life, and support a fat deadbeat looser I have to call my father. My mom worked, my father rode the system like a bicycle. I know everyone's family life is different but having children for the sake of having children (becasue of the premium we place on human life) is PURE vanity and narcissism! I also have seen so many other proud they are defrauding the system. Again I know some people do need the help but does that make it right to lend support to those who do not deserve it? I have wanted to see reform in the system and stop rewarding people for popping out babies! We need population control and immigration control becasue these two factors ARE what is fuquing our welfare and social security system all up! Again life is unfair everyone. It also is hard. We do have it easy comparatively but that does not mean we are above personal accountability. Why is it CA still has HALF of all welfare recipients in America? Answer me that question if some of you are SOOOOOO smart! |
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There are surely those who like to see their own typing and still have nothing of importance to say, hmmmmm????
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And men who speak about abortion and having children really need to shut the hell up about it. Talk about an individual speaking about something they cannot know anything about. Takes two to tango, and if a woman lets a man into her bed she had better be ready to deal with the consequences rather than dump an unwanted pregnancy on the guy and expect him to take it well. Sorry but this is a jaded and ignorant statement as well. I know about it all too well. Do not try pulling that "Men don't understand" crap becasue a lot of us knuckledraggers do get it. Yes the pill and even condoms are not 100% fool proof. NOTHING IS! So many women think that Abortion is so bad. Infanticide is worst! That IS murder. But terminating a pregnancy in the first three months is not. I don't give a rats azz myself how anyone else feels about that! the sooner an unwanted pregnancy is terminated the better! How about the quality of life for an unwanted child? And you can rationalize about the poor and why they are poor till the cows come home. We need to end the milking of the system. Welfare is all fuqued up and people are ridding it like bicycles. Here we are on the advent of a situation exactly like the 1930s and none of you seem to remember the lessons of our history. Sorry but empowering the poor is like empowering a drug addict except it is money they become addicted to. So many little piggies suckling at Uncle Sam's teats! |
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There are surely those who like to see their own typing and still have nothing of importance to say, hmmmmm???? Vapor locking on us again???? |
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BWAH HA HA!
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Sorry Andy, still sounds like the same ole retoric to me. Just repackaged. My point was neither of my children were planned. Life doesnt work that way. You are still admitting to being childless, yet counciling peeps about having children or even worse, abortions. Have kids, be a parent...then come back and talk about it like you know something.
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Poor people are of no harm to anyone.
Only those who carry around undue hatred and misunderstanding continually knock them down with untrue lies and prejudice. They are the disadvantaged in our society and sadly there will always be disadvantaged in our society. We can still treat them with respect and consideration. Noone can KNOW for a fact that a poor person is that way because of their own doing, that is how you know it is prejudice and undue hatred to say so. |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. |
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I guess the saying "they kick you when your down" is true in this country. It is sickening. Women on birth control get pregnant, that is not their fault that the birth control failed and if they do not believe in abortion, they are going to have a child. We pay for the children they give up for adoption to with our taxes so don't fool yourself that that option doesn't come back to the tax payer and it is cheaper for the mother to raise the child on welfare than it is for the child to go into foster care. And men who speak about abortion and having children really need to shut the hell up about it. Talk about an individual speaking about something they cannot know anything about. Poor people are always going to be here, it the bane of a capitalistic nation. And there will be those that are capable of pulling themselves out of the rut of poverty and there will be those who just can't do it. They try and try but it never happens so they live their whole lives in poverty and their children too. Noone can live off of welfare all their lives because the program doesn't allow it so they will make a pittance at a low wage job struggling along. But they shouldn't be judged because they are disadvantaged. The disadvantaged in this nation are just as important to this nation as the wealthy are. We are all Americans. Poor people are poor for all kinds of reasons. Mental incapacity Mental health issues Physical impairments Low education Mental health issues are one of the most common. People who have mental health issues do not realize that they have them, they just struggle through life trying and trying but never getting anywhere. That is the vast majority of the poor that are chronically poor and can't seem to function. I know I saw them in my office on a daily basis. I would refer them to mental health but our mental health system in this country sucks and the people still never get the health care they need in this area. So to judge them harshly and with untrue myths in my opinion shows personal prejudices and issues, it doesn't reflect badly on the poor. "I guess the saying "they kick you when your down" is true in this country." It doesn't mean you have to stay there...for gawd's sake GET UP!!! What if you had no choice...you had to keep going...keep working...find something ANYTHING to earn the groceries. "Women on birth control get pregnant, that is not their fault that the birth control failed and if they do not believe in abortion, they are going to have a child." Then why is my responsibility to pay for her spreading it in the first place? If you can't afford it...keep those knees together ladies. "We pay for the children they give up for adoption to with our taxes so don't fool yourself that that option doesn't come back to the tax payer and it is cheaper for the mother to raise the child on welfare than it is for the child to go into foster care." Excuse me, but foster care and adoption are two different options. But let's go into foster care first. In most cases, it's not poverty that the child is removed from, it is drug use by the household, abuse or neglect. Do you REALLY want that foster child to return to such a household. I wouldn't. Now...let's move on to the adoption option...most are being handled by private agencies and churches..no taxpayer money there. "And men who speak about abortion and having children really need to shut the hell up about it. Talk about an individual speaking about something they cannot know anything about. " Obviously you've never seen a dad. Not a father, but a dad. So the men have as much say as the woman does...he was there also..and should have a say since it is his child also...Bet cha cash it was immaculate conception. A dad can love a child that isn't his as much as a child that is. Not all men are cold hearted..granted some are "playas". But it is the woman's ultimate responsibility for the child and NOT mine or the rest of us. "Poor people are poor for all kinds of reasons. Mental incapacity Mental health issues Physical impairments Low education" There are free mental health clinics and hospitals here...and we are in the middle of no where so I'm not sure where your state is... Physical Impairments....try lifting 110 lbs with a torn tricep..BS! Another excuse. Low education...obviously you haven't kept up on some of the posts... there is more money available to those under the poverty line than above...try again. |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, Welcome to my world. About the child care. Ain't easy is it? But I made it work...and so can you... "...Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT" Just wonder when you will show your children the value of working? Or are you showing them that "standards" are more important than supporting a family through good hard work and not on welfare. My folks showed me at a very very young age. And it has been a very strong guiding force. And I was also taught self respect. To respect myself enough to work myself HARD to earn it...not handed to me on a silver platter. Pride in the job you do, pride in the fact that you can pay and insure your own vehicle, (I live in the country...try getting to the store without a car...hoofin there...try THAT with a child in tow)pride in the fact your child is healthy and happy. "who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, " No one...she goes to SCHOOL! Free babysitter right there. And when she isn't in school...I make the extra money to see that she is cared for while I'm at work...and guess what? I come out ahead...even after child care. Because I WORK! "I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money," So you expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for your "standards"? (I wasn't consulted in the decision but I'm paying for your mindset.) By remaining on welfare or some other handout? Because you will NOT work? And try seeing how long those kids will start to value food over time with you. Let's just see if that adjusts your "standards" a bit. And you know something you might just discover that you can regain alot of the self respect that you left behind there somewhere when you adjust your standards to reality and start working. |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, Welcome to my world. About the child care. Ain't easy is it? But I made it work...and so can you... "...Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT" Just wonder when you will show your children the value of working? Or are you showing them that "standards" are more important than supporting a family through good hard work and not on welfare. My folks showed me at a very very young age. And it has been a very strong guiding force. And I was also taught self respect. To respect myself enough to work myself HARD to earn it...not handed to me on a silver platter. Pride in the job you do, pride in the fact that you can pay and insure your own vehicle, (I live in the country...try getting to the store without a car...hoofin there...try THAT with a child in tow)pride in the fact your child is healthy and happy. "who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, " No one...she goes to SCHOOL! Free babysitter right there. And when she isn't in school...I make the extra money to see that she is cared for while I'm at work...and guess what? I come out ahead...even after child care. Because I WORK! "I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money," So you expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for your "standards"? (I wasn't consulted in the decision but I'm paying for your mindset.) By remaining on welfare or some other handout? Because you will NOT work? And try seeing how long those kids will start to value food over time with you. Let's just see if that adjusts your "standards" a bit. And you know something you might just discover that you can regain alot of the self respect that you left behind there somewhere when you adjust your standards to reality and start working. here is where the misunderstanding is coming in,, who said I WILL NOT work, I have worked 21 of the past 22 years of my life,, and I dont expect the 'rest of us' to pay anything as I was paying taxes for 21 years, I expect what I paid to be some benefit to me when I need it and I know plenty more children who are happy and healthy because their mom and dad spent TIME with them and loved them even though there was little to eat , than I do those whose parents were away all their waking day earning a wage ,,,those kids learned money is the priority,, mine are learning that love and hard work are and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money my daughter sees me cook her meals, shop for our food, clean our laundry and our home, take her to play at the park or the gym, study for my classes, read with her,,,,,,she 'sees' plenty of hard work and its value,, unlike what she 'sees' when I am at work , which is just that someone paid me money |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, Welcome to my world. About the child care. Ain't easy is it? But I made it work...and so can you... "...Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT" Just wonder when you will show your children the value of working? Or are you showing them that "standards" are more important than supporting a family through good hard work and not on welfare. My folks showed me at a very very young age. And it has been a very strong guiding force. And I was also taught self respect. To respect myself enough to work myself HARD to earn it...not handed to me on a silver platter. Pride in the job you do, pride in the fact that you can pay and insure your own vehicle, (I live in the country...try getting to the store without a car...hoofin there...try THAT with a child in tow)pride in the fact your child is healthy and happy. "who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, " No one...she goes to SCHOOL! Free babysitter right there. And when she isn't in school...I make the extra money to see that she is cared for while I'm at work...and guess what? I come out ahead...even after child care. Because I WORK! "I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money," So you expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for your "standards"? (I wasn't consulted in the decision but I'm paying for your mindset.) By remaining on welfare or some other handout? Because you will NOT work? And try seeing how long those kids will start to value food over time with you. Let's just see if that adjusts your "standards" a bit. And you know something you might just discover that you can regain alot of the self respect that you left behind there somewhere when you adjust your standards to reality and start working. here is where the misunderstanding is coming in,, who said I WILL NOT work, I have worked 21 of the past 22 years of my life,, and I dont expect the 'rest of us' to pay anything as I was paying taxes for 21 years, I expect what I paid to be some benefit to me when I need it and I know plenty more children who are happy and healthy because their mom and dad spent TIME with them and loved them even though there was little to eat , than I do those whose parents were away all their waking day earning a wage ,,,those kids learned money is the priority,, mine are learning that love and hard work are and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money my daughter sees me cook her meals, shop for our food, clean our laundry and our home, take her to play at the park or the gym, study for my classes, read with her,,,,,,she 'sees' plenty of hard work and its value,, unlike what she 'sees' when I am at work , which is just that someone paid me money "their mom and dad" I noted you didn't bring up a single mother and child...interesting. Maybe my child is just one of a kind...naww.. and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money No, but doing it for nothing is just silly. (joking) The value of hard work goes into putting clothes on their backs too...NOT handouts "my daughter sees me ... paid me money" My girl watches me do all those things too. She has also seen me go to work soo sick..."I love you baby"..."I love you mommy". she has watched me fight to get back into school AGAIN. Because the job I have isn't good enough...and the only way to move up...is with EDUCATION!!! an RN. And doing housework can hardly be added as a job especially when we have to do it anyway. |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, Welcome to my world. About the child care. Ain't easy is it? But I made it work...and so can you... "...Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT" Just wonder when you will show your children the value of working? Or are you showing them that "standards" are more important than supporting a family through good hard work and not on welfare. My folks showed me at a very very young age. And it has been a very strong guiding force. And I was also taught self respect. To respect myself enough to work myself HARD to earn it...not handed to me on a silver platter. Pride in the job you do, pride in the fact that you can pay and insure your own vehicle, (I live in the country...try getting to the store without a car...hoofin there...try THAT with a child in tow)pride in the fact your child is healthy and happy. "who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, " No one...she goes to SCHOOL! Free babysitter right there. And when she isn't in school...I make the extra money to see that she is cared for while I'm at work...and guess what? I come out ahead...even after child care. Because I WORK! "I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money," So you expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for your "standards"? (I wasn't consulted in the decision but I'm paying for your mindset.) By remaining on welfare or some other handout? Because you will NOT work? And try seeing how long those kids will start to value food over time with you. Let's just see if that adjusts your "standards" a bit. And you know something you might just discover that you can regain alot of the self respect that you left behind there somewhere when you adjust your standards to reality and start working. here is where the misunderstanding is coming in,, who said I WILL NOT work, I have worked 21 of the past 22 years of my life,, and I dont expect the 'rest of us' to pay anything as I was paying taxes for 21 years, I expect what I paid to be some benefit to me when I need it and I know plenty more children who are happy and healthy because their mom and dad spent TIME with them and loved them even though there was little to eat , than I do those whose parents were away all their waking day earning a wage ,,,those kids learned money is the priority,, mine are learning that love and hard work are and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money my daughter sees me cook her meals, shop for our food, clean our laundry and our home, take her to play at the park or the gym, study for my classes, read with her,,,,,,she 'sees' plenty of hard work and its value,, unlike what she 'sees' when I am at work , which is just that someone paid me money "their mom and dad" I noted you didn't bring up a single mother and child...interesting. Maybe my child is just one of a kind...naww.. and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money No, but doing it for nothing is just silly. (joking) The value of hard work goes into putting clothes on their backs too...NOT handouts I think adults put a whole lot more focus on 'earned' income than kids ever will,,, its the love and support they get as well as their needs that will matter I could work two jobs and keep my daughter at a babysitters 16 hours a day, but that would only get me money and cause me to sacrifice the BONDING and relationship building that is important to me I am holding out to have BOTH, a livable income AND the time to bond and support my daughter(and son) emotionally I have 'paid in' long enough to have that temporary option,, if that is reason for some 'hard working' parents to look down on someone, than so be it,,, |
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I love how people say 'get a job' like its a onesided thing like 'take a bath'...lol sure Ill go out there and grab up one of those millions of paychecks floating around http://www.statemaster.com/graph/eco_wel_cas_tot_rec-economy-welfare-caseloads-total-recipients five million currently on welfare for those poor with numbers, thats a little over 1% of the population now,, if there are five unemployed per job opening currently, that means that only 20 percent of those looking have a job to just 'get' and then, there is the minor detail of competition and educational and experience REQUIREMENTS.. oh , lets not forget little facts such as how the system is set up for at least 5% to be unemployed and how the majority on welfare are single moms trying to raise their children best they can because of FATHERS who do squat(where is the outrage from the public about THAT) or how welfare families have the same average number of children as anyone else or how small a part of the budget welfare for children is compared to welfare to corporations and big business I dont condone laziness, but i dont condone broad assumptions and character judgements about how lazy or unwilling to work people are who dont happen to have traditional income You do not know the people I know. You evidently have not seen what I have seen. There is work out there but I have physically been present to "That job is beneath me, I won't do it," and "But I would have to take less pay. I am better off on unemployment." I see and hear so much about what people will not do. Hell, I got a friend who very well may be going to jail tonight for stealing from his own family and other friends I know and I was the one caught in the middle. Time and time again the slacker got jobs HANDED to him and he quits the next day becasue f every excuse under the sun and he blames everyone else. He is like millions of Americans of all colors who refuse to take responsibility for themselves. I resent getting sucked into this drama but hey, someone has to help rehabilitate the mess a friend of mine cause for every on e else around him. No one wants to be poor but how many of them are willing to do what it takes to not be poor. I am doing work I do not want to do but my bills don't pay themselves. This is America and I don't buy this whole "Poor People" BS. Either you spine up and get a job or quit bitching about how unfair life is. LIFE IS UNFAIR! People keep each other and themselves down. I am so sick and tired of all the excuses and finger pointing. in every direction other than to the source of the real problem, American's lack of personal accountability! Poor people! FASH! I bust *** to make $20K a year and I can BARELY keep up at all! And yet am I here whining about where my welfare is? HELL NO. If you are poor, GET A JOB! Got a job that sucks? Look for a better job and quit whining! Need training to get a better job? GO TO SCHOOL AND OPEN THE DAMN BOOKS THIS TIME! THERE ARE LOTS OF GRANT PROGRAMS TO HELP OUT! Oh but making a life takes effort and sometimes the effort needed is greater than many are willing to give. People need to GROW UP! Thank you very much! I am a nurse, you know what I do for a living? I specialize in the 3 Ps....Pee, Poo, and Puke. And you know...I don't mind it at all...you know why? I'm working and when I go get that little girl I know she is watching me. She learns how to live her life by my example. To me, there is NO greater responsibility than that. One of the main reasons I chose nursing is because I knew I would always be able to find a job. But then again, we come back to the drive to paddle your own canoe. Competition is part of the game..quit moaning. Learn better interviewing skills, and get yourself back into school if you can't find a job in your field. And take anything they throw at you to earn a living while you are doing it. As I've said in another post...I have no pride when it comes to the blue eyes of that little girl. And something else too...no matter what society says...you get prego, you raise the child (with a very few exceptions). If he buggers out...who raises the child? The woman does. Reality check! So if you can't afford to raise the child...keep your knees together. Another crock of crap that just smokes me..."It takes a village to raise a child." That is the lies I have ever heard. It takes a loving parent, with drive (no laziness allowed) and a devotion to the child BEFORE conception. To raise the child. So those of you who are on welfare...I am going to offend right here. (Never have believed in the "Politically Correct" either. Grow a skin for the love of Pete!)GET A JOB! And you should be ashamed of yourself, a single mother can paddle her own canoe, why can't you? Get off your butts and be part of the solution and not the problem. Think of all the kids who could go to college and not have to worry about having a job too. Just get the grades. You lazy outfits! GET UP! Find something...hell anything to earn a living. this thread is full of ignorant statements, and assumptions, taking care of home and my children is a JOB, great that some have had the good fortune to have someone employ them so they can do the financial part of that job but not ALL of us have that experience you dont get a job like you take a shower, someone else has to AGREE to participate,, in case you dont understand basic math,, if there is only ONE employer to every FIVE applicants, FOUR out of five applicants wont be able to just 'get a job' guess who is working at the fast food chains, STUDENTS , teens, young adults,, very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management people with jobs now kill me, seriously, because you have the fortune of employment you have NO clue what it is to be looking for a job NOW,,, count your blessings , even if you 'worked hard' to get them, but please spare the rest of us the holier than thou diatribes about how being unemployed has something to do with drive or laziness and having a job has something to do with ambition and hard work,,,in the end it ALL comes down to having someone who will HIRE you Wanna bet? How do you think I got the job I have now? I had to go GET IT! And with in the last 3 months...hummm... 1 employer to 5 applicants...that's call competition...grow you a pair and start swinging with the big boys...or you will ALWAYS be part of the problem and NOT part of the solution. "taking care of home and my children is a JOB" .. you know what...I do that too...and hold a full time job AND going back to school. You were saying? How much a victim you are...it starts with your own mind set...change that, you will start looking at the other side of the coin soon. Life doesn't hand you chances...you have to be able to dig those chances from nothing... "..very few GROWN UPS unless they are in management" So? Go for management...your legs ain't broke! Help yourself first...come on girl. I'm no bigger or better than anyone else...if I can do it...so can you. I am not a victim, it took you three months, it is taking me longer,, noone is assuming I cant including myself, Im disputing that because someone has not YET doesnt mean they arent trying or cant Good grief, did I not say I have worked for 21 of the last 22 years of my life,, I am glad you got a position , great for you who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, I also will not be without a car raising a three year old by myself so I have insurance costs to factor into the wage I can work for I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money, there has to be a balance for me, Im not going to work 16 hours a day to show my child how IMPORTANT having a paying job is while leaving her to be raised completely by others while Im earning wages If I take a job, there has to be a schedule by which I can have my child in childcare, which leaves out most minimum wage jobs which have SET and EVENING hours,,, Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT someone tell me, If I work 21 years paying taxes, and my employers cut back , why is it a problem if those taxes I paid are loaned back to me to get back on my feet? its cool for me to pay into wars I disagree with, government policies and projects I dont agree with, but its something wrong with paying into something that might actually be used DIRECTLy to help my family? nonsense, ... like I said, Im more pissed by the adults having children and ABANDONING them then the ones who are struggling to take care of them alone,,,, Welcome to my world. About the child care. Ain't easy is it? But I made it work...and so can you... "...Having standards does not equate to making an excuse, having standards is ALSO an example I am setting for my children, I dont expect anything for NOTHING but I do show them where my priorities are by what I am willing to ACCEPT" Just wonder when you will show your children the value of working? Or are you showing them that "standards" are more important than supporting a family through good hard work and not on welfare. My folks showed me at a very very young age. And it has been a very strong guiding force. And I was also taught self respect. To respect myself enough to work myself HARD to earn it...not handed to me on a silver platter. Pride in the job you do, pride in the fact that you can pay and insure your own vehicle, (I live in the country...try getting to the store without a car...hoofin there...try THAT with a child in tow)pride in the fact your child is healthy and happy. "who keeps your kids while you work? I have no money to afford a babysitter right now so that EXPENSE would have to be included in the wage I was offered, " No one...she goes to SCHOOL! Free babysitter right there. And when she isn't in school...I make the extra money to see that she is cared for while I'm at work...and guess what? I come out ahead...even after child care. Because I WORK! "I also will not TRADE time with my kids for money," So you expect the rest of us to pick up the tab for your "standards"? (I wasn't consulted in the decision but I'm paying for your mindset.) By remaining on welfare or some other handout? Because you will NOT work? And try seeing how long those kids will start to value food over time with you. Let's just see if that adjusts your "standards" a bit. And you know something you might just discover that you can regain alot of the self respect that you left behind there somewhere when you adjust your standards to reality and start working. here is where the misunderstanding is coming in,, who said I WILL NOT work, I have worked 21 of the past 22 years of my life,, and I dont expect the 'rest of us' to pay anything as I was paying taxes for 21 years, I expect what I paid to be some benefit to me when I need it and I know plenty more children who are happy and healthy because their mom and dad spent TIME with them and loved them even though there was little to eat , than I do those whose parents were away all their waking day earning a wage ,,,those kids learned money is the priority,, mine are learning that love and hard work are and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money my daughter sees me cook her meals, shop for our food, clean our laundry and our home, take her to play at the park or the gym, study for my classes, read with her,,,,,,she 'sees' plenty of hard work and its value,, unlike what she 'sees' when I am at work , which is just that someone paid me money "their mom and dad" I noted you didn't bring up a single mother and child...interesting. Maybe my child is just one of a kind...naww.. and hard work does NOT equate to how much money someone else is paying you,,,or whether someone else is paying you money No, but doing it for nothing is just silly. (joking) The value of hard work goes into putting clothes on their backs too...NOT handouts "my daughter sees me ... paid me money" My girl watches me do all those things too. She has also seen me go to work soo sick..."I love you baby"..."I love you mommy". she has watched me fight to get back into school AGAIN. Because the job I have isn't good enough...and the only way to move up...is with EDUCATION!!! an RN. And doing housework can hardly be added as a job especially when we have to do it anyway. nothing I Said judged you any differently, Im only shining light on the ILLUSION that not having employment means ones children cant learn about HARD WORK,.. I work 'harder' being home full time with my child right now than I EVER did those eight hours sitting at a desk,,,, my daughter is three, when I bring home a 'new' outfit she really doesnt care if I got it with money from a job or from a friend or family member,,,,, the value of hard (income earning) work makes no difference to her right now hard work is hard work, and her needs being met and being shown love are what is important to her,,,, |
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