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I was always told it is better to be pissed off than pissed on.  Seems some folks are so caught up in their own delusions that they piss themselves off. Nobody can help them but themselves. I hope you were looking in a mirror when you typed that I don't have that problem, I know myself very well.  i can't stop laughing... I am glad me knowing myself well makes you so happy, I do wish the same on you someday. |
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frowned upon sharing a bed with children? I doubt the modern bedroom arrangements were common in biblical days Seriously. People are so caught up in their provincial cultural perspective they have no idea what might be 'natural' for human beings. For unrelated people of different ages to sleep together - non-sexually - has been common in many cultures. IMO, the real perverts are the people who think that sharing a bed is inherently sexual. oh please...he Mighty - please take a look at the series of comments here. Someone suggested that there is something wrong with sharing a bed with children. I have deliberately extracted a particular statement which I disagree with. I assert that this is a very limited and provincial viewpoint, as sharing a bed is not sexual. I really do think that there is something wrong with someone who automatically assumes that a sharing a bed is sexual. Nothing in any of the statements in my post is a comment on MJ, neither for nor against. ( I assume by 'he' you mean MJ). Lets keep statements in their context. If you or anyone else wants to reasonably criticize MJ, you/they can do so with specifics and not invoke such bizarre and unhealthy notions as 'sharing a bed is automatically sexual'. he was a perverted child molester and you know it No, actually, I don't know this. This is the course I try to take anytime anyone is accused of anything. What do I personally, directly, know? He may have been. He may have been sick in other ways. I can sympathize with your position, but I admit that he may also have been innocent. if your thinking that it was ok for him to have kids he didn't know lay with him in his bed "ok"? I think its a little weird, and highly suspicious. Just because I strongly believe that its perfectly fine for other non-related adults and children to sleep non-sexually together doesn't mean it was okay for MJ to do so. I wasn't there; for all I know, it may have been very wrong. , then pay off the parents to keep quite, Was he hiding from a criminal act, or hiding from something else? Trying to keep people quiet doesn't make you guilty. your just the same as him... Really? I'm supremely talented musician who makes music that I don't really like? i don't know what your saying, but if a grown man is caught laying in bed with my kids, "innocent" as it may sound to you, his money won't save his azz... |
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come on guys. Let's get back on track
 I see the article as nothing more than creating fear. Until I see that people are being forced into prisons with bars, I'm not going to worry too much. No one is being forced and we don't know if they are going to leave it as a prison. |
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I was always told it is better to be pissed off than pissed on. Seems some folks are so caught up in their own delusions that they piss themselves off. Nobody can help them but themselves. I hope you were looking in a mirror when you typed that I don't have that problem, I know myself very well. i can't stop laughing... I am glad me knowing myself well makes you so happy, I do wish the same on you someday. |
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Actually the article is for keeping people aware of a mindset in this country that our poor are dispensable, disposable, disregard able, etc.... and to make sure that those of us who care about the poor and disadvantaged stay aware and posed to stop the abuse when and if it happens.
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I was always told it is better to be pissed off than pissed on. Seems some folks are so caught up in their own delusions that they piss themselves off. Nobody can help them but themselves. I hope you were looking in a mirror when you typed that I don't have that problem, I know myself very well. i can't stop laughing... I am glad me knowing myself well makes you so happy, I do wish the same on you someday. I know, you are welcome. |
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Actually the article is for keeping people aware of a mindset in this country that our poor are dispensable, disposable, disregard able, etc.... and to make sure that those of us who care about the poor and disadvantaged stay aware and posed to stop the abuse when and if it happens. when and if it happens is the key. I haven't seen it happening yet. When it does I will be more than ready. I will keep my eyes open until then. But I won't get worked up over something that hasn't happened and may not ever happen. If they want to use an old prison that isn't being used (instead of building a new building and taking up more space) then why not? They can renovate it. If it is voluntary, then it's up to the people utilizing the program to decide if they want to go or not. So far, no one is forcing them. I'm sure people would be up in arms if that happens. But it's not happening. This just brings about fear and paranoia IMO |
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I guess as long as circumstances do not force the issue it is voluntary. But having no money and children and being homeless can make a voluntary situation mandatory and that is the problem with voluntary when dealing with the poor.
It is not voluntary to those who cannot make a different choice. |
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They can leave can't they? There are other options like shelters, family, friends, JobCorp, etc.
I know it's not a brand new building, but wouldn't using a building not being used be better? Instead of building more and taking up land? They can fix it up. Put in doors, etc? I may have missed it in the article, but is it for families? or for single people? If it helps them get on their feet...why is it a bad thing? No one is being locked up as far as I can tell |
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Again, I guess as long as circumstances do not force the issue it is voluntary. But having no money and children and being homeless can make a voluntary situation mandatory and that is the problem with voluntary when dealing with the poor.
Voluntary isn't voluntary when circumstances dictate they aren't. If you have no family, churches are full, it is the streets with the children or the "prison". Takes the voluntary out of it. |
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so what would be a better solution? I see using a building to help people in need on a voluntary basis as good.
Would it be better to not try something? They can decide whether they want to utilize it or not. No one is forcing them. I don't see helping as a bad thing. It may not be ideal, but it's help. |
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The building can be used for anything besides degrading the poor even more.
Since we are a country that likes to house our criminals as animals, the place might work better for animals. |
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how is it degrading? No one is forcing them there. And who says it's not going to be renovated. Just because it was once a prison, doesn't mean it should carry the stigma with it.
What are other suggestions? |
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Use it for storage, warehousing, etc... No stigma with that usage.
Use it for an animal shelter that doesn't kill. Anything but housing the already down trodden people in society. |
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is it better for them to remain homeless or end a dead end job where they are barely getting by?
It's only a building. It's the stigma people attach to it that is bringing about the fear. They can take down the bars and put up doors, windows, etc. A nice yard to relax in, etc. I see this nothing more than JobCorp. I know many young people that went through it. They lived there in the bunks, barracks, housing, whatever it's called. They got training to better their lives. They did it voluntarily. Whether it's a warehouse, prison, old apartments....it's a building and it gets people out of the weather and in a bed. A place to call their own (even if it's temporary) They will get training to make their lives better. I see nothing wrong in this. There is nothing saying people will be forced into it, imprisoned or anything of the kind. People can live as they are or find other mean to better their lives and a place to live until they are on their feet. I prefer this to someone living on the streets, hungry, in the cold/heat/rain and hopefully out of danger. |
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I cannot see putting people there. It is degrading.
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But that is the stigma I am referring to. I respect your point of view....I just disagree with it. I see it as nothing but a building that can be fixed up to help shelter people.
If it is left as a prison (barbed wire and bars, etc) then I agree with you 100%. But instead of building new building and taking up more space than we really have....I would rather see old buildings get fixed up and put to good use. |
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It was designed to treat people like animals. It will always be designed that way.
Another building can be found to house people like people if we have to utilize already existing buildings. |
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I guess my issue is the thought process it takes to look at a jail and decide poor people should be there.
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Honestly....I think that is where the issue between the sides lie. Some can't get the image of a prison out of their heads (and I can't understand that) to others it is just a building that can be put to good use instead of remaining vacant.
I still think (although not the most ideal situation) it is better than the streets or barely surviving on a dead end job. I have helped at homeless shelters. Most are grateful (as sad as it sounds to us) to have a cot to sleep on. If this can train people and house them until they can get on their feet....I think that would help out more. The problem is getting past the "prison" label. if you can see it as just a building (provided that they remove the bars, etc) then it's not Buckingham Palace but it's a start.
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