their families didn't volunteer and die fighting with Americans, did they? the whole fact of the matter stands that 3000 people died that day, right? all this pointing other directions and trying to say how good of a people they are is stupid. now they want to build a war monument on that site and saying it's their right to build a mosque there is again, stupid. they also have a right to build it somewhere else.

and Muslims too died in the towers.

No matter how hard they try the hatemongering cannot make sense because it not meant to.

Our relationship with Canada has always been a decent one. I sure hope that no Canadians take the disrespect shown on these boards as any reality to how Americans feel about Canadians.

Some Americans are too arrogant and ignorant to know what they say.

well, technically, canadians are americans,, NORTH AMERICANS,,,

but beside the point,,there are many who werent from north america and have no reason to be referred to as american who may want their actual nationality aknowledged,, and there may be others who dont care

so obviously the ones that DO care would be speaking up and are their feelings any less valid than the ones who dont?


for instance, in my office, if I call everyone hun and three people object, should my argument be that there are others who dont feel offended or should I possibly consider not using that term to refer to those THREE anymore,,,?

Good point MS. Not in reference to my post though, right? Because that is not what I was referring to.

nope, I was referring to the statement posted

I for one am Canadian. There were Canadian victims at the Towers. Canadian not American.

Trivia: Canadians fought in Nam by volonteering for US military. They were buried as "proud Americans" ...... their families feel different

Noone has given an answer to, will the Terrorist Tribute have a ghetto-Blaster to spew their noise pollution?

the site says this

'It will be a multi-floor community center open to all New Yorkers, much like a YMCA or Jewish Community Center (JCC) with a designated prayer space in one area to serve the needs of the large existing community of American Muslims in the neighborhood. '


Strictly speaking, it will not be a “mosque,” although it would have a prayer space on one of its 15 floors


I dont think prayer spaces permit loudtalking of any sort,, so Im guessing no loudspeakers,,,

Mosque that will accommodate up to 2,000.
AKA Ground Zero Mosque.
Most all threads call it a Mosque.
Even the threads what says it ain't no Mosque.

prayer=mosque...

mosque (mŏsk), building for worship used by members of the Islamic faith. Muhammad's house in Medina (A.D. 622), with its surrounding courtyard and hall with columns, became the prototype for the mosque where the faithful gathered for prayer.
Structure

The basic elements of a mosque are a place large enough for the congregation to assemble, especially on Friday, the Muslim sabbath, and orientation so that the faithful may pray facing in the direction of the holy city of Mecca. The wall facing Mecca is called the qibla wall and is marked by a mihrab, which usually takes the form of a decorated niche. In later ages mihrabs became quite elaborate; they are decorated with wooden fretwork in Morocco, with carved and pierced marble in Syria and Iraq, and with lusterware tiles bearing quotations from the Qur'an in Iran.

A mosque usually includes a number of distinctive elements: a mimbar (or minbar), a pulpit that is entered by a flight of steps and stands next to the mihrab; a maqsura, an enclosed space around the mihrab, generally set apart by trellis screens, in which the caliph, sultan, or governor prays; a minaret minaret , tower, used in Islamic architecture, from which the faithful are called to prayer by a muezzin. Most mosques have one or more small towers, which are usually placed at the corners.
a tower, usually built at one or more corners of the mosque, from which the call to prayer is sounded; a sahn, a courtyard, surrounded by riwaqs, colonnaded or arcaded porticoes with wells or fountains for the necessary ablutions before prayer; and space for a madrasa, a school that often includes libraries and living quarters for teachers and pupils.

All the great mosques are resplendent with elaborate decorations, but the prohibition against imitating God's works by creating living forms is always obeyed. Decorations are abstract, and geometric plant forms are so distant from their originals as to be unrecognizable.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/mosque

Fer them's not fermilia wit Mosqeses. They puts Ghetto-Blastin' speakers on da' outside of d'a Mosques. Then, they blare 'em so's everyone within miles are polluted by the noise.

"When you hear '13-story mosque,' you go 'Wow, there's a lot of praying going on there!,'" Sekoff said.

And the Terror Tribute will be over 600 feet tall.

They are so proud of this monstrosity, where are the plans they presented to the Council to get a permit to build.

BTW, plans have to be submitted for the Council to inspect.

ok, topics are overlapping here

I was talking strictly of the cordoba initiative, which is being run by the imam

there is also park 51 , of which the imam is only a temporary head until a non profit is formed

but here is what I found on the loudspeaker issue(kind of as I figured , it would be about city ordinance and not religious culture)


City noise ordinances govern loudspeaker use, and there is no evidence that developers have any interest in applying for a permit to project the call to prayer. The vast majority of mosques in the U.S. do not amplify the adhan in their local neighborhoods.


from islam.about.com

I also found other sites referencing there are no plans for loudspeakers,,,

Read more at: http://www.investigativeproject.org/2098/promoting-radical-ideas-what-icna-demands-of-its

"The irony of groups like ICNA is that they take advantage of democratic values to spread a message that is monolithic, anti-democratic, and isolating. They want to implement Sharia law in place of Western government… Organizations like ICNA are also smarter than their parent organization, Jamaat-e-Islami in Pakistan. Whereas the Pakistani group openly preaches its intolerant views, this group presents a smoother message in line with American values. However, its ideology and aims actually contradict democratic values and law."

Most of those companies had American employees, they were\are just based out of other countries.

first of all it's two blocks from ground zero. second, only one floor will be used for prayer which doesn't constitute it as a mosque. it's just funny how the neocons are running scared at this news story. Do you think preventing one mosque would stop any of us from becoming radicalized or plotting attacks???? This attempt at preventing our rights of worship alone will probably radicalize a small percentage. Your hate is just embolding common people into taking up the terrorist fight. You will not win this. Inshallah

January 20th 2009.

this may seem stupid, but I dont like assuming, and if you dont wish to answer due to hatred in these threads I understand

but have you studied islam? I only ask because I am always curious to hear from those who actually have STUDIED it personally as opposed to the many westerners who only know the snippets they have HEARD about,,,

THey put Mosque's over places of Victory and Conquests.

I agree here in the fact that all we have been doing since before 9/11 is making the terrorists stories of how Americans are trying to wage war on their religion true.

Also, the anti community center people are placing all Muslims into the role of radical terrorists by opposing this center making them feel disrespected and justly.

It also has nothing to do with this thread.