Topic: Under Fire, Obama Clarifies Support for Ground Zero Mosque
s1owhand's photo
Sun 08/15/10 07:46 PM
Well that's all cleared up then!

drinker

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 08:56 PM

Sometimes I get an impression that Obama purposely trying to destroy his own reputation and presidency.

Either that, or he just doesn't have a solid idea about anything. YOu know a man can be wrong about something, or right about something, but it's not possible to be both at the same time.
Why even stick his nose into this matter anyhow? Let the State or the city decide what they want.
If the people vote it down, than it's out. If they voted in, then it's in whatever it is. That's how he should have handled it, but apparently he rather likes to say things that will be controversial and for a while now, he is just keep ruining himself in the process.

he works for the muslims...

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:00 PM
People ask him where he stands on American issues and he should answer honestly.

As to him being a Muslim, what a ridiculous joke.

He is right about the mosque

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:06 PM

People ask him where he stands on American issues and he should answer honestly.

As to him being a Muslim, what a ridiculous joke.

He is right about the mosque


what makes you think it's ridiculous or a joke?

watch these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related
(this one he accidentally admits his muslim faith)


Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:09 PM


People ask him where he stands on American issues and he should answer honestly.

As to him being a Muslim, what a ridiculous joke.

He is right about the mosque


what makes you think it's ridiculous or a joke?

watch these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related
(this one he accidentally admits his muslim faith)





You tube is not a valid source of information. People can alter everything on there.

So not a valid source of proof of anything.

He is a Christian and was sworn in on a bible, which is something I have an issue with.

No Muslim would be sworn in on a bible.

Especially since we already have a representative that was sworn in on a Quaran.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:16 PM



People ask him where he stands on American issues and he should answer honestly.

As to him being a Muslim, what a ridiculous joke.

He is right about the mosque


what makes you think it's ridiculous or a joke?

watch these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auwe-aGF4Lo&feature=related
(this one he accidentally admits his muslim faith)





You tube is not a valid source of information. People can alter everything on there.

So not a valid source of proof of anything.

He is a Christian and was sworn in on a bible, which is something I have an issue with.

No Muslim would be sworn in on a bible.

Especially since we already have a representative that was sworn in on a Quaran.

uh huh, you think to be president it would matter what he swears on?
it just means that it means nothing, it's not binding in his mind.
in muslim religion, if your father is a muslim, your a muslim...

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:18 PM
Not true.

Muslims would not be sworn in on a bible.

Just as no Christian would be sworn in on a Quaran.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:20 PM

Not true.

Muslims would not be sworn in on a bible.

Just as no Christian would be sworn in on a Quaran.
yea, there's this thing that politicians do, it's called lying... that means not telling the truth

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:23 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sun 08/15/10 09:24 PM
No lying was needed at this level. We already have a Muslim in congress who was sworn in on a Quaran. So it is nothing to lie about.

Obama is a Christian.

Which is one of my problems with him. He bring god into all his speeches.

He shouldn't do that.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:27 PM

No lying was needed at this level. We already have a Muslim in congress who was sworn in on a Quaran. So it is nothing to lie about.

Obama is a Christian.

Which is one of my problems with him. He bring god into all his speeches.

He shouldn't do that.


one?
what are the others?


Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:35 PM
This is not my thread.

I have issues with Obama but can't use this thread for that.

Back on topic.

Obama was right in his assessment of the center to be built a few blocks from ground zero.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:44 PM

This is not my thread.

I have issues with Obama but can't use this thread for that.

Back on topic.

Obama was right in his assessment of the center to be built a few blocks from ground zero.
he was right in saying freedom of religion, thats all....
he's putting his muslem views and traits in front of the american peoples

Atlantis75's photo
Sun 08/15/10 09:53 PM
Obama is no muslim. Hardly a christian.

He is a damn confused man. I don't he really knows what he is.

no photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:07 PM

Obama is no muslim. Hardly a christian.

He is a damn confused man. I don't he really knows what he is.


He's. A. Communist. A Marxist Communist, not a Leninist Communist. He knows exactly what he is and what he wants to accomplish to cut this nation down to what he believes is the proper 'size' ... in other words, reduce US to the status of Zimbabwe ... People underestimate him at their own risk. He is the most dangerous and anti-American 'president' in this country's history.

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Sun 08/15/10 10:12 PM
slaphead

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Sun 08/15/10 10:14 PM

President Obama on Saturday sought to clarify his comments supporting the building of a mosque near ground zero that have ignited a political firestorm ahead of a difficult election season for Democrats.

During a trip to Florida for a family vacation, Obama said his comments from Friday night were only directed at the constitutional right of the mosque to be there, and whether preventing the mosque’s construction impinges on the right to freedom of religion.

"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there," he said in response to a reporter's question after he spoke about efforts to aid the Gulf Coast region. "I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That's what our country is about."

Obama came under instant fire after jumping into the middle of a cultural clash Friday night with comments that have elevated the contentious issue to the presidential level.

White House spokesman Bill Burton released the following statement on behalf of Obama's stance on constructing the mosque.

"Just to be clear, the President is not backing off in any way from the comments he made last night. It is not his role as President to pass judgment on every local project. But it is his responsibility to stand up for the Constitutional principle of religious freedom and equal treatment for all Americans. What he said last night, and reaffirmed today, is that If a church, a synagogue or a Hindu temple can be built on a site, you simply cannot deny that right to those who want to build a Mosque."

Republicans and some victims’ advocates have strongly condemned Obama's support for the mosque, which would be part of a $100 million Islamic community center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001.

While no one has voiced opposition to the construction of the mosque, critics are concerned that the center’s proposed location is insensitive to those affected by the terror attacks.

“I oppose the planned location of a mosque in close proximity to Ground Zero,” Sen. John McCain, R-A.Z., said in a statement released Saturday. “The concerns of the 9/11 victims’ families and the citizens of New York City should be respected.”

McCain added that hoped that the parties involved would be able to “sit down and discuss an alternative location for the mosque that would meet with the approval of” New Yorkers and the victims of the terror attacks.

"Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America's heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see," said Debra Burlingame, a spokeswoman for some Sept. 11 victims' families and the sister of one of the pilots killed in the attacks.

Building the mosque at ground zero, she said, "is a deliberately provocative act that will precipitate more bloodshed in the name of Allah."

Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son was killed at the World Trade Center, said the president had failed to understand the issue. "As an Obama supporter, I really feel that he's lost sight of the germane issue, which is not about freedom of religion," she said. "It's about a gross lack of sensitivity to the 9/11 families and to the people who were lost."

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., said the president is "wrong."

"It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero," he said in a written statement.

"While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque, they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much," he said. "The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from ground zero. Unfortunately, the president caved into political correctness."

Congressman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y. however, who represents Lower Manhattan and Ground Zero applauded Obama’s remarks at the White House, saying that “Hate should have no place in America.”

“As the Member of Congress who represents Lower Manhattan and Ground Zero, I commend President Obama’s statement on the Cordoba House and his support of our First Amendment rights of freedom of religion and separation of church and state,” Nadler said in a statement Saturday.

“As I previously stated, government has no business deciding whether there should or should not be a Muslim house of worship near Ground Zero. The United States was founded on the principle of religious liberty and tolerance, and it is equally important 234 years later that we uphold this principal.”

Entering the highly charged election-year debate, Obama surely knew that his words would not only make headlines in the U.S. but be heard by Muslims worldwide. The president has made it a point to reach out to the global Muslim community, and the over 100 guests at Friday's dinner in the State Dining Room included ambassadors and officials from numerous nations where Islam is observed, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy.

Opponents, including some Sept. 11 victims' relatives, see the prospect of a mosque so near the destroyed trade center as an insult to the memory of those killed by Islamic terrorists in the 2001 attacks.

"The decision to build this mosque so close to ground zero is deeply troubling, as is the president's decision to endorse it. The American people certainly don't support it," House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a written statement.

"The fact that someone has the right to do something doesn't necessarily make it the right thing to do," he added. "That is the essence of tolerance, peace and understanding. This is not an issue of law, whether religious freedom or local zoning. This is a basic issue of respect of a tragic moment in our history."

Former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania told Fox News that Obama seems to misunderstand that Islam is not just a religion, but also a political doctrine. He also said the mosque is being run by a man who accused the U.S. of being an accomplice in the Sept. 11 attacks.

Santorum compared the ground zero mosque to a minister who wants to builds a church near the location where the Rev. Martin Luther King was killed but preaches racial separation and the notion that King brought his death upon himself.

"I don't think Barack Obama would say, 'Well we have religious tolerance, we're going to allow them to do that,'" he said. "That is the wrong way to look at this. This is not whether it's a legal right to do it. People have legal rights to do a lot of things in this country."

"We have the will of the American public," he said, noting the polls show most oppose the mosque. The imam is "ignoring the will of the American public, as by the way, Barack Obama is by siding with him."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/14/obamas-support-ground-zero-mosque-draws/




Obama has no balls.People ask him about this issue and all he can do is give a bunch of legal laywer back talk nobody cares about.We all know about the freedom of religion.What we want to hear is how although they have the right to build it,is it the right thing to do?He should mention that a huge majority of New yorkers do not want this built.He should question where this money is coming from and the history of the man who wants it built which has a history of talking like a terrorist does.He should take in consideration the very real possibility of upset New yorkers burning,bombing,shooting,and vandalizing this mosque if it is allowed to be built.


Once again Obama said something stupid and I expect his approval rating to drop another 3-5% because of this.



Thomas3474's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:19 PM

Obama is no muslim. Hardly a christian.

He is a damn confused man. I don't he really knows what he is.



He is no Christian.He has never quoted any bible verses from the Christian bible like George bush used to do.He has never mentioned Jesus Christ.He is pro choice.He doesn't attend church,he skips out on the national day of prayer yet attends every Muslim event.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 08/15/10 10:21 PM
slaphead

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Sun 08/15/10 10:27 PM


Obama is no muslim. Hardly a christian.

He is a damn confused man. I don't he really knows what he is.


He is no Christian.He has never quoted any bible verses from the Christian bible like George bush used to do.He has never mentioned Jesus Christ.He is pro choice.He doesn't attend church,he skips out on the national day of prayer yet attends every Muslim event.


What he HAS said (in the book that Little Billy Ayers ghost-wrote for him - that 'Schemes Of My Father' thing) is "I will stand with the Muslims" ... that's HIS words ... and they're consistent with his actions ever since he conned and guilted enough people to get 'elected' ... He's a Muslim, he acts like a Muslim, visits Muslim nations almost exclusively, and, if anyone's noticing, STILL hasn't picked a Christian church to attend now that he can't sit in 'Rev' Wrong's pews anymore ... betcha he'll find a mosque a lot quicker than he finds a church ...

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Sun 08/15/10 10:35 PM
slaphead whoa