that is why 'reasonable suspicion' is a vague term


I can reasonably suspect someone might have broken a law if they run from police

I can reasonably suspect someone may have robbed a house if they are climbing out of a broken window

I can reasonably suspect someone is stealing a car if the car window is freshly broken


these types of things,, based upon someones 'witnessed' actions,, are reasonable

suspecting someone of carrying drugs because they are a minority in a nice car,,,,is not an action by itself that deams reasonable suspicion because it relies strictly on how someone LOOKS and not what they are witnessed doing..

but thats just my opinion

They do not know that a criminal is a criminal on sight. If they believe they do they are profiling.

Now if they see the guy with the Tv that was stolen then that is reasonable suspicion.

Because illegal aliens in this country are white black brown yellow etc... and possibly green depending on who you talk to, a person, police or otherwise cannot identify an illegal alien on sight without being prejudice and discriminatory.

i have been arrested for not having an id before... they call it holding.

what if the description of the person that stole the tv was a white guy, abou 6 foot tall, wearing a white t shirt and blue jeans...if there are 10 white guys that fit that disciption, they are going to talk to all ten of then, and possibly arrest all of them...

what if the description of the person that stole the tv was a white guy, abou 6 foot tall, wearing a white t shirt and blue jeans...if there are 10 white guys that fit that disciption, they are going to talk to all ten of then, and possibly arrest all of them...

Humans should not be willing to allow others to be abused because they know they will not have the problem.

That is why oppression and discrimination stays around so long. People only worrying about themselves when they can see others being abused.

This law allows prejudice to happen and therefore should be struck down.

And???

thats profiling, at it's full glory...

you should have gotten a good lawyer then,, its not against the law to simply not have ID,,,, IF there is suspicion of some other crime and one REFUSES to provide information on who they are(verbal or written) , that is a different story. But there are MANY MANY people who dont drive and therefore need no drivers license and there are few other forms of picture id to verify with.

that is a legitimate form, based upon an ACTUAL suspect description,, different than just assuming a crime is being committed by looking at someone..

yes, it is... they need to know that i'm not hiding anything, like rape or murder. would you want a rapist loose just because he told police he didn't have an id? they have every right to know who we are, and it may not be a law, they can and should always detain people without id's.

whats the difference? they are only pulling over white people, because a crime was committed. being here illegally is a crime to.

That is legitimate to a certain extent. They fit the description.

Now there are cops who use the "fit the description" as a racial tool too but it can be fought if you don't "fit the description".

How can you fight "reasonable suspicion" based on sight?

Again, if they are pulling over everyone then it would be fair because illegals are white black brown yellow, etc... So everyone would be a reasonable suspect of being an alien.

If they target one certain type of person than it is biased and should not be allowed.

none of this requires a physical id,, police have access to several databases,, one is the DMV, with your DL PICTURE on it,, all they need is accurate information about your NAME and SOCIAL SECURITY number,,,pretty simple

I did it when my purse was stolen, gave them my name and social and they pulled it RIGHT up.....

Quoted from: a Civil Rights Law Firm...

Reasonable Suspicion – A police officer needs probable cause to arrest someone, but he can stop someone to ask questions on the lower standard of reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion means that the officer has enough information to make him reasonably suspicious that this person has committed a crime or has information about a crime that has been committed. The officer cannot arrest someone on the basis of reasonable suspicion alone. But he can do a general pat down search to check for weapons when he does stop someone on reasonable suspicion. If during that search he finds illegal weapons, drugs, or other substance, that may give him probable cause to make an arrest. Please see our Police Misconduct page. (See also, 42 U.S.C. § 1983, Probable Cause, Civil Rights, Freedom from Unreasonable Search and Seizure, Bill of Rights, Constitution.


Reasonable suspicion in Arizona... I have seen it in vehicles pulled over by Border Patrol and on news.

Using the words of Jeff Foxworthy..."you might be an illegal if...:"


* You are driving a MiniVan, truck, or low clearing vehicle (weight) with dark tinted windows.
* You have 8 people squeezed into a vehicle.
* If you work somewhere and you take off running or hiding whenever a uniform walks in the door.
* You get pulled over for a minor violation and your passenger runs off.

And let me just add..that applies to ALL people of color. Because its really hard in the majority of ARIZONA vehicles to determine RACE thru tinted windows zooming by and 75 MPH. There are signs that we are smart enough to rely on.

And none of that helps the cause of the law promoting racial bias and discrimination.

The law promotes racial profiling and should be struck down.

Anyway. Ms Harmony and I were onto something pages back something to the effect. Lets try and get the law changed so that it adds people of all color reasonably suspected for committing a crime by being here illegally. Forgive me if this is NOT exactly quoted as such.

Then it removes this stupid "racial profiling" gig people are on and makes it absolutely clear! I have said it before and will say it again if they were to stop me, ask me questions, even detain me...fine if it helps the cause.

OK so with that in mind lets hear HOW we can get this accomplished? Where do we begin? Would anyone with government knowledge like to chime in? Do we start a bill? Do we file suit? I truly would not know the first step of where to look.

My suggestion was to try and somehow have the Legal American People put it to a vote and whatever it says ...yeah or nay...WE have spoken. Because lets face it both sides in the Government right now are playing with all of us to elect them when re-election comes around. We would save millions of dollars on a frivalous lawsuit by the president.

As long as this law is struck down, there will be no problems from all of us human advocates.

That is all? Strike it down? No more suggestions? I just love people with propaganda arguing about whats wrong with the world but have no REAL solutions that would benefit ALL people. Lets just throw the baby out with the bath water. In the meantime Legal citizens are being tortured, murdered, and subjected to the outcome of illegal drugs and weapons. (U.S. Border Patrol Community Informational - June 24, 2010) http://azgovernor.gov/AZBorderSecurity.asp
But hey, thats ok?