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Yeah, this thread has overstayed its welcome ... Shelf life date has way past expired ...
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 oh man. Just a question to think on, you don't have to answere if you don't wish, but something to think about. Could you devote your entire life, i mean EVERYTHING you did in life to something? That means not getting married or having children so you could devote more time and attention to this thing you're promoting in life. Not getting a job to get things in life, but spend your life with nothing more then a sack of cloths.? Jesus did this out of love of the world so he could give us ALL a chance to indulge in the gift of heaven. |
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Nothing morbid about anything. Well, of course it's morbid. By your intepretation of the story it wasn't even God's plan to have Jesus crucified. On the contrary, you claim that Jesus was just trying to teach us to have good morals and we nailed him to a pole. Evidently to God's utter shock and surprise since according to you it wasn't even God's idea. That's morbid. That's about as morbid as it can be. The only thing that would be even more morbid would be if it was actually God's idea. Also, in the case where it was man's idea to nail Jesus to the pole, then God wasn't even able to save his only begotten son. If he couldn't even save his only begotten son from such a horrible fate what makes you think he could save you from anything?  The very idea that Jesus was crucified without God's express premission and blessings, makes no sense at all. And, of course, a God who would have that done intentionally, or by plan, would be a lunatic God. It's a lose-lose story no matter how you cut it. |
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Do you think you would know??? I would hope I would know.  I would assume his/her energy would purvey that. Genuine Friendliness,Loving and Compassion; which is rare, would show me. In that definition, I have come acrossed many people who would qualify. So, it would be difficult to define, because the spirit/energy of him are in some that already walk the earth. |
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Nothing morbid about anything. Well, of course it's morbid. By your intepretation of the story it wasn't even God's plan to have Jesus crucified. On the contrary, you claim that Jesus was just trying to teach us to have good morals and we nailed him to a pole. Evidently to God's utter shock and surprise since according to you it wasn't even God's idea. That's morbid. That's about as morbid as it can be. The only thing that would be even more morbid would be if it was actually God's idea. Also, in the case where it was man's idea to nail Jesus to the pole, then God wasn't even able to save his only begotten son. If he couldn't even save his only begotten son from such a horrible fate what makes you think he could save you from anything? The very idea that Jesus was crucified without God's express premission and blessings, makes no sense at all. And, of course, a God who would have that done intentionally, or by plan, would be a lunatic God. It's a lose-lose story no matter how you cut it. If God would have stopped the crucifixion that would have been intervening in one's free will. And God promises us free will, which would have then made him a liar. And God might have known he was going to get crucified at the end. But it's not God that had him crucified. It was the people of this world that hung Jesus on that cross. That was the entire purpose of Jesus. To teach us of the ways to get right with God. It's us that nailed him to the pole. Even further more, if Jesus or God was to have stopped it, that would have made it that Jesus sacrificed less for the salvation of the world. But in all reality, Jesus sacrificed his entire life even down to his blood for us ALL. |
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oh man. Just a question to think on, you don't have to answere if you don't wish, but something to think about. Could you devote your entire life, i mean EVERYTHING you did in life to something? That means not getting married or having children so you could devote more time and attention to this thing you're promoting in life. Not getting a job to get things in life, but spend your life with nothing more then a sack of cloths.? Jesus did this out of love of the world so he could give us ALL a chance to indulge in the gift of heaven.   You are typing for yourself because that was wasted on me. |
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If God would have stopped the crucifixion that would have been intervening in one's free will. That's utter nonsense. There are a myriad of ways that God could have saved Jesus from being crucified without having to intervene with anyone's free will. Unless of course, you believe that God is extremely LIMITED in what he can do. |
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If a god was standing right in front of me, by all the religions man has made, that god would make damn sure I knew it was him/her/it and he/she/it would expect me to cower and bow.
Now as for my beliefs, if there was a god or more likely gods who walked among man, he/she/it would be one of us and without ever exposing themselves would be a postive influence on this planet in all ways. |
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oh man. Just a question to think on, you don't have to answere if you don't wish, but something to think about. Could you devote your entire life, i mean EVERYTHING you did in life to something? That means not getting married or having children so you could devote more time and attention to this thing you're promoting in life. Not getting a job to get things in life, but spend your life with nothing more then a sack of cloths.? Jesus did this out of love of the world so he could give us ALL a chance to indulge in the gift of heaven. You are typing for yourself because that was wasted on me. Sounds precisely how the Buddha Bodhisattvas live. That was a common thing to do in India. Nothing new there. |
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If God would have stopped the crucifixion that would have been intervening in one's free will. That's utter nonsense. There are a myriad of ways that God could have saved Jesus from being crucified without having to intervene with anyone's free will. Unless of course, you believe that God is extremely LIMITED in what he can do. This is what i just absolutely love about you guys, you only quote part of a post, you don't keep it all in there. Cause i also said that it was part of Jesus' sacrifice for the world. |
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Now as for my beliefs, if there was a god or more likely gods who walked among man, he/she/it would be one of us and without ever exposing themselves would be a postive influence on this planet in all ways. Truly. And that may very well be happening as we speak. 
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This is what i just absolutely love about you guys, you only quote part of a post, you don't keep it all in there. Cause i also said that it was part of Jesus' sacrifice for the world. So what are you suggesting? That Jesus was a masochist and wanted to be crucified? Jesus couldn't "decide" on his own to a 'sacrifical lamb' for God and have himself 'sacrificied' by an angry mob who was supposedly cruficifing him for 'blaspheme'. That whole ideology is truly demented and twisted. If Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God it had to be God's idea, not Jesus' idea. Otherwise, why should Jesus be so presumptuous to think that God would even take him up on such an insane offer? |
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This is what i just absolutely love about you guys, you only quote part of a post, you don't keep it all in there. Cause i also said that it was part of Jesus' sacrifice for the world. So what are you suggesting? That Jesus was a masochist and wanted to be crucified? Jesus couldn't "decide" on his own to a 'sacrifical lamb' for God and have himself 'sacrificied' by an angry mob who was supposedly cruficifing him for 'blaspheme'. That whole ideology is truly demented and twisted. If Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of God it had to be God's idea, not Jesus' idea. Otherwise, why should Jesus be so presumptuous to think that God would even take him up on such an insane offer? Because also keep in mind Jesus and God was one, so Jesus knew what our father would want. And also it might have been preplanned for Jesus to be crucified, does not make the sacrifice any less meaningful though. Jesus still could have backed out at ANY time he want, if he wanted to. But no Jesus went on knowing what was in store with him, but did not hold back. That just makes it even more love. |
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Cowboy,
In all honesty I wish you had been in charge of Christianity back in the days when it was first taking root. It would have died out long before it ever got a foothold.  The things you preach just make no sense at all. |
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Cowboy, In all honesty I wish you had been in charge of Christianity back in the days when it was first taking root. It would have died out long before it ever got a foothold. The things you preach just make no sense at all. I wish i was there to, i would have loved to meet Jesus face to face on this earth. But why do you say they make no sence? What do you have to support as such? |
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Nothing morbid about anything. Well, of course it's morbid. By your intepretation of the story it wasn't even God's plan to have Jesus crucified. On the contrary, you claim that Jesus was just trying to teach us to have good morals and we nailed him to a pole. Evidently to God's utter shock and surprise since according to you it wasn't even God's idea. That's morbid. That's about as morbid as it can be. The only thing that would be even more morbid would be if it was actually God's idea. Also, in the case where it was man's idea to nail Jesus to the pole, then God wasn't even able to save his only begotten son. If he couldn't even save his only begotten son from such a horrible fate what makes you think he could save you from anything? The very idea that Jesus was crucified without God's express premission and blessings, makes no sense at all. And, of course, a God who would have that done intentionally, or by plan, would be a lunatic God. It's a lose-lose story no matter how you cut it. Now that i think of it, Jesus' coming and crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament (the bible at that time) |
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Edited by
Abracadabra
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Mon 07/26/10 06:01 PM
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Now that i think of it, Jesus' coming and crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament (the bible at that time) You only just now realized that?
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Now that i think of it, Jesus' coming and crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament (the bible at that time) You only just now realized that? had a brain fart and wasn't thinking when i replied this this at first lol. But it came to me after a while. |
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I wish i was there to, i would have loved to meet Jesus face to face on this earth. I'm pretty sure that you can still find bodhisattvas wandering around in modern day India and other places, like maybe in Tibet and possibly even in parts of China. So you can meet people like Jesus even today if you're willing to seek them out.
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I wish i was there to, i would have loved to meet Jesus face to face on this earth. I'm pretty sure that you can still find bodhisattvas wandering around in modern day India and other places, like maybe in Tibet and possibly even in parts of China. So you can meet people like Jesus even today if you're willing to seek them out. There is no man like Jesus. Jesus was and will ever be the only begotten child of God. |
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