Topic: What do you think about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:02 PM


There were no elections because the regime wouldn't allow it. Fear and wonder.... a powerful combo. And yes I've heard of war profiteering. It just doesn't exist here in Canada. And control is control. Wether the empire was forged by war or terony, the fact remains that they were in control

If there was no war, these Canadian Corporations wouldn't make any profits and the just might pi$$ off the stock holders, don'tcha think?

I just took a quick glance. However, I'm sure more Canadian Corporations make big bucks off war.

Made in Canada?
March 19, 2007: Many people question whether Canada is carrying its weight in the war on terrorism. These same people may want to take a closer look at some of the equipment American troops takes to war. They will find a "Made in Canada" tag on lots of stuff.

Take the Stryker Armored, for example. This is the Army's most advanced armored vehicle, and it's assembled in London, Ontario by General Dynamics Land Systems-Canada (GDLS-Canada). GDLS-Canada is however, owned by the American company, General Dynamics (the sixth largest U. S defense contractor). The Army currently plans to equip 7 Stryker Brigade Combat Teams with more than 2,000 of these 19 ton vehicles in 10 different variants. If this vehicle continues to perform well in combat, it's likely that more variants and improved models will be developed, meaning Canadian production could continue for many years. The Stryker is not the first "American" armored vehicle made in Canada. The Marine Corps' own long serving LAV family of vehicles, on which the Styker is based, entered service in the early 1980's and was built by a Canadian division of General Motors (now owned by GDLS-Canada). The Marine Corps has over 700 LAVs in eight variants and they plan on keeping in service until at least 2015. It is interesting to note that the Marine LAV is itself based on the Swiss designed Piranha armored vehicle.

Another piece of equipment from north of the border is the Zodiac inflatable boat used by the Marines, Navy SEALs and other Special Operation types. These boats are mainly used to clandestinely land and retrieve small raiding/reconnaissance units and board suspicious vessels. The most popular model is the Zodiac FC 470 or Combat Rubber Raiding Craft (CRRC). This 15½ foot long boat is normally powered by a 40 HP outboard engine and can transport up to 10 men or a total of 2,756 lbs. more than 80 kilometers. It's manufactured in Vancouver, British Columbia.

Canadians also make something that all our troops find particularly useful, namely bullets. Due to the inability of American manufacturers to keep up with demand, the Montreal base company SNC Technologies is providing the U. S. military with several million 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm rounds per year. The 5.56 mm round is used in the M-16 rifle and the M-4 carbine, while the 7.62 mm is used by several types of medium machine guns. SNC was recently bought by General Dynamics Ordinance and Tactical Systems, yet another division of General Dynamics.

Because of the global economy and multinational companies, it's not surprising that some U. S. military equipment is made wholly or in part in foreign countries (think outsourcing). These countries may or may not share our commitment to the war on terrorism, but if you question Canada's overall commitment to the war, remember that they are proving it every day on the factory floor. Of course, they are getting well paid for it.-- Tim Spencer



Ah, the old military-industrial-government complex. Where would we be without it? /sarcasm

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:02 PM


war isn't good....but sometimes...necessary


War hasn't been necessary for quite some time now.

drinker

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:04 PM

Lets hear it!


Well first off they are not officially wars, they are only military actions.

Second both of which are illegal preemptive strikes on countries that did nothing to us.

FearandLoathing's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:04 PM
"War, woooaahhh Lord. What is it good for?! A-absolutely nothing! Listen to me!"

This song makes just as much sense now as it did during Vietnam.

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:05 PM
willing2 we are talking about different things i think. Ever country gets an economic boost from war. More ppl work for the war effort. and we dont use the m16 or the m4, we use the colt canada c7. And as for canada pulling their weight?? keep in mind that Canada, although much larger in size than the states, has one tenth the population. 10 000 of our troops is like 100 000 americans. Canada has Never been a country for militarization. Another thing to look at is what is the production rate in Canada, not even on the same level as the states. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Atlantis75's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:06 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sun 06/13/10 05:08 PM
I think people need to stop thinking about such things as "is this good or bad for us" because it's not about safety, it's not about what the government wants, not about what those countries want, not about what you want.

It's not about ideas or freedom or who wins.

It is all about money, and these wars will continue to go on to eternity if the people don't grow a pair and start saying enough is enough. If it wasn't for the people back in the day, the Vietnam war would be still at large.
Eventually this country is gonna go so bankrupt and the military completely scattered and thinned out, that it will be a miracle if the US ever recovers to the pre-2008, which I seriously doubt.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:11 PM

willing2 we are talking about different things i think. Ever country gets an economic boost from war. More ppl work for the war effort. and we dont use the m16 or the m4, we use the colt canada c7. And as for canada pulling their weight?? keep in mind that Canada, although much larger in size than the states, has one tenth the population. 10 000 of our troops is like 100 000 americans. Canada has Never been a country for militarization. Another thing to look at is what is the production rate in Canada, not even on the same level as the states. You are comparing apples and oranges.


Economic boost? laugh Look! You've inadvertently illustrated Bastiat's Broken Window fallacy! Congratulations! drinker

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:13 PM
We may make money through industry, but Canada has always done it the right way. It just amuses me that when 9/11 occured...the entire U.s was out for blood. They cant make the same mistake as bush sr. and not finish the job. Granted bush had other things in mind, but his karnal mistake was leaving early setting the stage for desert storm 2. And it is a war, a war on terror, it just isnt a conventional war. thats like saying the cold war wasnt a war....

willing2's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:14 PM

willing2 we are talking about different things i think. Ever country gets an economic boost from war. More ppl work for the war effort. and we dont use the m16 or the m4, we use the colt canada c7. And as for canada pulling their weight?? keep in mind that Canada, although much larger in size than the states, has one tenth the population. 10 000 of our troops is like 100 000 americans. Canada has Never been a country for militarization. Another thing to look at is what is the production rate in Canada, not even on the same level as the states. You are comparing apples and oranges.

I was just pointing out a couple places where Canada is profiting off war.

They just need to commit more troops along with makin' bullets they sell.

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:17 PM
now that i can agree with!! WE do need to help more...and believe it or not we are actually trying to commit an additional 10 000 troops to aid! I couldnt agree more.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:22 PM
The war on terror is a fallacy. You cannot fight a war tactic because that is what terrorism is. And all countries use terrorism during war and non war times.

There are terrorists in every country. How do declare a war on terror and not have a world war?

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 05:24 PM
because not everyone commits. a lot of the world sees this as a western affair.

Atlantis75's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:23 PM

because not everyone commits. a lot of the world sees this as a western affair.


Don't underestimate the others. They know well, that when the Soviet Union seized to exist, the USA was "out of enemies". Ever since WWII, the USA has been in a constant war with someone , only little brakes here and there.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:25 PM


because not everyone commits. a lot of the world sees this as a western affair.


Don't underestimate the others. They know well, that when the Soviet Union seized to exist, the USA was "out of enemies". Ever since WWII, the USA has been in a constant war with someone , only little brakes here and there.


True dat. The Military-Industrial Complex at work. :cry: frustrated

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:25 PM

The war on terror is a fallacy. You cannot fight a war tactic because that is what terrorism is. And all countries use terrorism during war and non war times.

There are terrorists in every country. How do declare a war on terror and not have a world war?

drinker

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:27 PM
only until more communists arose.....there is always someone left to fight...

no photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:45 PM
our attempt at nation building after conflict is really what gets the US in a pro longed battle.....fight the conflict....achieve the mission if possible...THEN WE NEED TO GET OUT...leaving the other party to the conflict ALL the work of rebuilding.

Seakolony's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:49 PM
Actaully, all the other countries allow and depend on us to do the ir dirty works. This way they can blame us no matter what happens and say we did not involve ourselves, all the while, secretly supporting our decisions from behind closed doors.

eklectek's photo
Sun 06/13/10 06:54 PM
you cant just fight then leave....that happened in desert storm 1....that lead us to this one...if the job was finished right the first time things might be different. the world only relies on the states for weapons...they have almost no resources left...

heavenlyboy34's photo
Sun 06/13/10 07:03 PM

you cant just fight then leave....that happened in desert storm 1....that lead us to this one...if the job was finished right the first time things might be different. the world only relies on the states for weapons...they have almost no resources left...


Speaking of stupid, unnecessary wars, GW1 is another one! slaphead