There is a big difference between expressing pride and expressing hate.

Personally, I'm proud of my Irish heritage, it has given me a great drinking stomach and Guinness is the best lager in the world. See, that is pride...hate is me putting someone else down simply because of where they may be from, what religion they are apart of, or something as stupid as the color of their skin.

Pride does not equal hate, and pride can be expressed without putting any other culture or people down as I demonstrated above.

I understand the difference between pride and hate.

Where do you associate pride with hate? That, I don't understand.

Where have I ever mentioned hating anything.

Hate is exclusive, excludes all who are not like them.

Cinco de mayo is not an American celebration. It's a Mexican party day.

Black history has shown hate and discontent towards others and it is accepted

Kinda' ironic and funny at the same time.

A black says,"I'm proud of my heritage." Ya' hear,"Right on, Brother."

A Mexican hollers," I'm proud of my heritage." Ya' hear,"Right on, Brother."

A Caucasian whispers," I To am proud of my heritage." Ya hear," You racist hater. How dare you."

HMMMM at the double standards.

Can't....stand.....reason.....brain.....hurts......

I'd say that post just about sums it up.

Being proud isn't bad. Showing pride isn't bad.

But for some people, it really isn't about being proud.
It's about hating people who are different. Just read some of these posts.

Might be how you come off...I've never had anyone tell me I was a racist because I'm proud of my heritage. Of course, I'm thinking that most Caucasians don't whisper "I to am proud of my heritage."

Caucasian....you mean European-American??

And it definitely is the way you come off...

A black...??

A mexican...??

Not exactly terms of endearment there, buddy. Some of us are Hispanics. Mexicans are from Mexico.

My people are from California.

I don't think that's the case. If it is the case where you're from, pay attention to how they're expressing their pride. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage.

I'm surrounded by the Indians here. Not literally. I live in a predominantly Mexican neighborhood. As a matter of fact, I am the only Caucasian living here on this block.

It's not important to me how others express their pride.

I am me and don't much follow crowds nor am easily sold a bill of goods.

Look at the responses before you.

They hit me as defensive, lacking respect and attacking.

Do they get a second glance? Do you think anyone who refers to a Caucasian as a racist or hater will be reprimanded for attacking the poster.

I think in the mindset, it's acceptable to label us all that way.

Sorry, did you take my post as attacking you?

They didn't call you a racist or hater. I read it as if they were saying it would depend on how you expressed your pride. If a white person was called a racist for expressing their heritage, I'd have to wonder how they expressed it.

I don't see anything wrong with learning about different cultures.But I think we all know that history taught by African americans or Hispanic teachers in schools where their race dominates the school becomes a one sided issue.They focus on negative issues like slavery,social and ecomomic injustices through the years,poverty,and many other issues that all point a finger to the white male or female as the source to their problems.Although this has some truth in it I believe they would rather teach how they are a victim and how everyone else is a winner.

I also do not believe a Governer would write and pass a bill(with no resistance)unless he had good reason to and I will give him the benifit of the doubt.

History as a whole is fabricated by the teacher. Such notable issues are the Vietnam War, the Cold War, the first Iraq War, even so far as presidents of the past. Ask two different teachers about Vietnam and you will more than likely get two entirely different answers, same applies to the other mentioned wars.

To get back to the point, this is what the 'ethnic studies' program in the AZ school system is about ... it SHOULD be done away with.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100512/D9FL580O0.html

Arizona gov. signs bill targeting ethnic studies

May 12, 3:08 AM (ET)

By JONATHAN J. COOPER

PHOENIX (AP) - Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Brewer's signature on the bill Tuesday comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration - a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. The governor has said profiling will not be tolerated.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

That's mostly right.

History books are biased.

They tell you here, the Mexican American War was fought, won fairly and the Mexican Gov. was given a fair price for the land.

Mexico teaches it was stolen and since then, there have been plans in the works for the recoquista and renaming of most of the southwest, all of Ca., and parts of Oregon.

The last part from reconquista is true.

Schools teach, indians, I'm 1/3 Choctaw BTW, German and Scandinavian, were the original settlers. Not quite true. They crossed the landbridge and Quietman can tell you who they conquered. I forget.

Indians were also slaveholders. Any they conquered and didn't kill, they made slaves or in the case of the women, made them concubines.

Bet you never heard that in History Class.

K-12 American History has little to do with actual fact. You just have to memorize it to graduate.

Hey, we can agree on that. "Right on, brother."

Depending where yer from, the term hispanic can either be okay or seen as disrespect.
My father-in-law, Mexican, legal Citizen here in the US for example. I made the mistake of referring to him as Hispanic. Sum bich refused to talk to me for almost a year until one of his brothers told him it was just an honest mistake that I didn't know any better. Now, we cool.

I insisted on marrying his daughter instead of just living with her. I helped care for my mother-in-law until she died. April first of this year. She had pancreatic cancer and would you believe it, out lived Patric Swazey(sp) by almost six months. Up until her last few hours, I never treated her as if she was dying. Gave her chit all the way to the end. I love her dearly.

Calling the wrong person Hispanic could get your throat cut. Even the ones born here say they are Mexican.

Many, many of the Legals have dual residency or dual citizenship. They still claim Mexican as primary to them.

On the contrary. I protect the interests of my neighbors and they do the same for me. We get along well and if someone needs a hand or ride, we oblige. Wonder how many other folks even nod to their neighbors or know their names?

It's the same with the terms "Latino" and "Hispanic".Some Mexicans take great offense to being called Latino.They label Latinos as people coming across South Mexicos border from Latin America who they are not that fond of.In other words not really from Mexico.

when did black history teach hate or victimhood?,, I was raised with examples of people who overcame obstacles and persevered,,,,


designing something for one exclusive group is not the same as teaching ABOUT one specific group,,particularly in a situation where they have previously been nearly excluded ,,,,,


this should be reworded, in my opinion, so that those who have been excluded from the conversation in the past cannot CONTINUE to be excluded,,,,


it is no more hateful for americans to learn about the history of Black folks or mexican folks in america than it is for black folks and mexicans in america to learn about the history of white folks in america,,,,,,like it or not,,because of segregation and racism of our past,,,the races have collectively(not exclusively) pretty much had different experiences which should ALL be considered significant,,,

I am not speaking about EXPECTING all ethnic experiences to be taught, I am speaking about BANNING the teaching of different ethnic experiences

and generally, the logical approach, if a school is predominately caucasion with , lets say, one fourth native, and one fourth mexican,,,,it should not be BANNED for students to study about native culture or mexican culture,,,

I notice that alot,,intermingling of ethnic terms with racial ones

I think when people speak of 'blacks' in america they are pretty specifically speaking of AFrican americans(brought here under pretty specific circumstances from the pretty specific region of west africa)

Speaking of MExicans is also a reference to a people from a pretty specific place

speaking of Caucasians is a much broader RACIAL reference of people with very diverse cultures amongst them ranging from the French, to the German, to the Welsh


I am not one to claim pride or shame in biology(height, skin tone, racial class,,,etc,,,), and I dont really care one way or the other if someone else does,,,, I just am a bit more puzzled about what it is to be proud to be 'white',,,mostly because I know white covers so many DIFFERENT cultures

I hear someone in America say they are proud to be black,, I am automatically thinking of the culture that stemmed from enslaved west africans

I do hear people speak of Irish pride, welsh pride, italian pride,,,and Im very clear of where they are coming from and understand the positive feelings they have for their ETHNIC heritage and culture.



but back to the point,,pride and hate are obviously different things
and insisting that people who contribute to the whole of the community should not be ALLOWED to have their contributions aknowledged and learned about in public school is a fairly classist, egotist, and possibly hateful educational regulation,,,

I actually did know that, about the Indians. I'm 1/8th Cherokee, I studied history independently of my classes and eventually dropped out of high school because of how they chose to teach history...and the fact that I was constantly kicked out of that class for mentioning historical fact aside from historical opinion, namely the Vietnam War.