That is certainly an option I have seriously considered. But I discarded the idea that humans alone are responsible.Humans are just not that technologically advanced. I do accept that some humans are involved with aliens and alien technology.

Yes.



If you weren't suspicious then you are not thinking strait. Of course you are skeptical and suspicious.

Even so, I don't hang around with people who claim to be repeatedly abducted. First, they are on the verge of going insane. And who wouldn't be, given the circumstances if they are true. Second, if they are "repeaters" that could mean they have a chip in their head to locate them, and that anyone with them could be collateral damage.



If it were true, that the government was doing it all, I would be horrified even more so than thinking about aliens doing it.

As for anyone asking for proof, this thread is not stating that aliens exist for a fact. It is about what we believe and what our experiences are in this area.

I would prefer not to believe in some of the horrible stories I have encountered, unlike religion where people find comfort in their beliefs.

The reason I lean towards believing that they do exist, is that there are many many mysteries that are unsolved and the presence of aliens seems to solve many of these mysteries. So until a person can prove without any doubt to me what the cause of these mysteries are, then I will deduct that there is a non-human intelligent sentient lifeform living among us on this earth or visiting us from elsewhere.

The mysteries: Abductions, cattle mutilations, UFO's, Bigfoot and other creature sightings, like the mothman etc. Crop circles.

Just to name a few.

jeanniebean:

The book of Revelation tells how it will occur...Have you read Revelation, The Book Of Daniel, or the Book of Matthew?

God our creator will come back through the clouds...The sky will roll up like a scroll and men will fall to their knees in fear that the Lord is real...Men will try to hide in the mountains in fear of judgment day....Many will try to kill themselves, but will not succeed in his day of wrath of the unclean...

The last war will be fought in Armageddon, in the valley of Mageddo and the world will be deceived by many, led by the Antichrist who deceived the world....

Many magicians will do great magic and say they are the "ONE" and will have many followers, telling them they are the equivalent of Christ, or they are Christ.....Please do not be deceived, for the time is short....It is like a women with the pains of birth, but not yet....( our current time line; Perhaps, perhaps not..)

I don't think I can imagine what it will be like, nor could Daniel which swallowed the knowledge given to him by the Angel...It made him sick to his stomach....I can relate to that, after seeing things in the Army.....But I still can not fathom the end of the world as we know it....But that is also the new beginning of a new world..

My belief is as strong as yours is, with the other side....but that is what the bible warns us about....Do not be deceived....I have been there from my martial arts training....I believe there is a fine line and if crossed; then we are dealing with things not meant of us now....

I, like you question everything and I have always questioned why the book of Enoch was taken out of the bible? Enoch was the great grandfather of Noah and we all know of the story of Noah....

If you were to read the book of Enoch, I think that perhaps you would walk away with some new insight, just as I have from the mystical side of the martial arts.....Infact, I think you will be shocked with what it says, as I was and that explains to me, why it was yanked out of the bible~! Do I believe, yes I do~!

But I am not going to attack you and damn you for your beliefs, like other ministers do and have done, even upon me~!....What I can say about you, is your not thinking inside of the box and that is good~!....

I tend to think outside of the box also, but I have made my decisions on what the truth is for me....Just as what you believe the truth is for you....

Only time will tell what the truth really is and is it all in our minds?

but as for me, believe in God our creator....

Peace

Freedom of speech is guaranteed by God? Where did you get that idea or information?? And which God guaranteed it, and where is it written and who wrote it?

Man can take away what our creator has given us; they take away lives on the battlefield every day. They take away our freedom bit by bit, everyday with their laws.

I could be mistaken but you sound like you are being a bit sarcastic about what you think I believe or else you are just demonstrating your ignorance of aliens by calling them all "little green men."

You also don't realize that "prayer" is a form of witchcraft and since you have expressed your disdain for what you think I believe, if you do pray for me, then you are practicing witchcraft against me. Hence I don't trust that your prayers will be in the best interest of either of us. I don't need your prayers to be saved and I ask that you leave me out of them please.

Sounds very much like an invasion of aliens to me.

Oh, well....I see you just want the last word and that your right...So be it...

Have a good life....

Really??? Is that what you see?

Not true at all. I am simply presenting, as honestly as I can, my point of view and trying to understand yours.

Everything I think is simply speculation and my opinion. I am still not sure about any of it. I am still looking for the answers That is why I ask questions of people like you who seem so sure that they are right. I want them to tell my why they think so.

If it sounds reasonable, then I consider it.

But if it ends in "Because the Bible says so" or "Because I just have faith." Then I can't see how you arrived at your conclusions and they appear irrational.

But if you were to ask me anything about my beliefs at all, I could write a lengthy essay on how I arrived at my conclusions. And I will tell you that these conclusions are open to being disproved at any time. I am willing to change my beliefs in a heartbeat if someone else has a better answer to my questions, as long as it follows a logical pattern.

P.S. The description of the return of God does sound like an alien invasion. That's just a fact.

The thing I do is that when someone makes a statement like "freedom of speech is guaranteed by God." I want to know why they made that statement or why the believe it. I've never even heard such a thing.

So I ask the question.

When someone makes the statement that God is coming back, I want to know what they know about that, what they expect, and why they believe that.

So I ask the question.

I can't tell you how many times people just ignore my question. So I have to assume that they don't have the answers either.

But when people ask me why I believe the way I do, I do my best to answer their every question. I have tons of information on my computer that is nothing but research and stories, and news about the subjects. Sometimes I will dig it up and sometimes its just not worth it because people usually don't really want to know, or the only reason they want to know is so that they can scoff at my source. I have many different sources though, from many different directions of observation.

So I have gotten to where I just tell them if they want to know, then do your own research. I don't have time.

But I still ask questions, because there are still questions that are unanswered.

this isnt a christian forum...keep that crap to yourself, if you want to talk god bs go post in the religion forums....thank you

And this isn't a fantasy/unsubstantiated rumor forum either, so what's your point?

my point is this ISNT A RELIGIOUS TOPIC SO KEEP THAT CRAP TO YOURSELF!!!!
I posted this thread as a discussion about ancient alien theory and everything that goes with it ufo's/uso's thought of wether we are alone or not..........not as a forum to push your personal faith on others....so KEEP THAT BS TO YOURSELF or you are

Bedlum1,

I looked at your profile and was surprised to find you had pictures of my kittens!

Well, they look like my two new kittens any way. So I loaded pictures of them in my profile.

My kittens are 3 weeks old. I named them Bandit and Blade.

The actual forum is titled science and philosophy and the thread is entitled UFO's.

UFO's are not just something that popped up in the last 50 years where people rationalize that they might be some of our own military machines. They have been seen and reported since before the invention of airplanes. Pictures of them have been seen on prehistoric caves etc. Drawings of helicopters can be found that date before the time of Christ.

It is a valid and serious subject, not fantasy or unsubstantiated rumor. People who make fun of this stuff are just closing their eyes to the evidence because it conflicts with their perceptions of reality.

your kittens? those were mine born on the full moon last month...4 of them......shhhhhh i think an alien cat got ahold of mine because their power of cuteness is otherworldly....

Actually according to my definition of 'alien' any non-human intelligent sentient life form could fall under that category. I suppose God might qualify as an alien, even more so than "God."

If indeed aliens engineered the human species and designed them in their own image with DNA mapping I guess you could even call them our "creators."

Even a lowly humans are mapping DNA and are able to grow body parts in the laboratory. We have cloned animals and I would be willing to bet that someone somewhere is cloning humans if they have not done that already. (I suspect they have.)

One day perhaps we humans will seed other planets and design a race of humans and watch over them, teaching them about culture and science and of course, religion. They have to have rules to live by.

Maybe we will tell them we are their Gods.

Mine were born on April 30th, two days after the full moon. Weird!

that type of pondering is fine....just not the jesus/savior crap, that has nothing to do with this topic

True. That belongs in the religion forum. I probably should not have addressed it at all here.

Cats are extraterrestrials who forgot where they put the keys to the mothership eons ago. (they were distracted by something shiny)