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Topic: Is Jesus God?
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Sat 03/13/10 11:56 AM
Is Jesus God?
Son of God only?
Both / a part of God?
Other?

Christians list scriptures & beliefs
Non-Christians reference your opinion own beliefs / religion scriptures.
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Sat 03/13/10 11:58 AM
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Sat 03/13/10 12:06 PM
Fictional story made up by a small number of men back when they needed to keep the masses under control. What better way than some unseen, unprovable deity??? Just my opinion. Save your time on the flames. They will only encourage me ;)

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Sat 03/13/10 12:13 PM
Jesus God as much as you and I are God. We are all apart of God. And is why the punishment for not doing as God wants is hell.

Kind of a weird way to look at it, but you can look at it this way. If your arm did what it wanted not as you wanted, would you not amputate it from your body?

God does same thing, if we don't do as we should, God amputates us from the body of God and casts us into the lake of fire.

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Sat 03/13/10 12:21 PM
Edited by CowboyGH on Sat 03/13/10 12:22 PM
mathew 1:23 Jesus is called immanual, which meens God with us.
1 tim. 3:16 Paul said Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh
Titus 2:13 Paul called Jesus "the great God"
Phil. 2:5,6 Paul said Jesus didn't feel it was wrong to be considered "equal with God."
John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and the father are one"


this is in parable form. Because also keep in mind Jesus would pray to God. Jesus said "father forgive them for they know not what they do"

So Jesus and God being one, but yet Jesus still prayed to God and talked to God as God was a different being shows that all of us are a part of God.

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Sat 03/13/10 12:26 PM
I believe Jesus is the son of God, sent in earthly form to spread Gods word.

John 8:19

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."

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Sat 03/13/10 12:28 PM

I believe Jesus is the son of God, sent in earthly form to spread Gods word.

John 8:19

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."


glad you posted this verse harmony, nottice the part he says "If you know me, you know God.

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Sat 03/13/10 12:31 PM


I believe Jesus is the son of God, sent in earthly form to spread Gods word.

John 8:19

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."


glad you posted this verse harmony, nottice the part he says "If you know me, you know God.


oh yes,, his purpose was as a revelation of Gods word,, in the beginning there was the word,,,and always will be

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Sat 03/13/10 12:33 PM


I believe Jesus is the son of God, sent in earthly form to spread Gods word.

John 8:19

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."


glad you posted this verse harmony, nottice the part he says "If you know me, you know God.


This would be the same as saying if you know CowboyGH you know Gregory Hale.

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Sat 03/13/10 12:37 PM



I believe Jesus is the son of God, sent in earthly form to spread Gods word.

John 8:19

Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."


glad you posted this verse harmony, nottice the part he says "If you know me, you know God.


This would be the same as saying if you know CowboyGH you know Gregory Hale.


And I bet thats not too far from the truth,,,there have to be at least PARTS of him that rubbed off on you.

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Sat 03/13/10 01:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arian_controversy

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Sat 03/13/10 05:54 PM
Jesus was the son of God when he walked the earth.He prayed to God clearly showing there was God as there would be no point for Jesus to pray to himself to ask for things.When Jesus died God more less passed the throne to Jesus as a person who should in all ways be just as respected and just as powerful as he is.The two both exist as different people in Heaven but both are really one in the sense they are both all knowing and all powerfull.The majority of Christian churches pray to Jesus and not God.I personally like to pray to both God and Jesus.God is God.Jesus is God.Together with the holy spirit they make the Father the Son and the Holy ghost.

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Sun 03/14/10 08:31 AM
Edited by voileazur on Sun 03/14/10 08:57 AM
OTHER!

On the one hand, 'the Jesus myth theory'. On the other hand, 'jesus the son of god'. Lots of conjectures on both sides, but neither delivering ANY proof of existence, ... or non-existence.

The only way 'jesus' could be tangibly associated to 'god', is through the non deductibility theorem.

No one can prove for sure that 'jesus' existed, and no one can prove that he didn't exist. Just as it is for 'god'.

The fable of 'jesus son of god', inside of the fable of god, touched, inspired, moved, and mesmerized many, but in the end, it lives only in the great void of 'MAN MADE MYTHS'.


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Sun 03/14/10 09:40 AM
laugh Hey guys, when you decide let me knowlaugh

"Is Jesus Christ a man, or is he God?

Jesus Christ is most definitely God. He created Adam and Eve, the first man and woman, in his image. He is the Creator of the universe. The Bible says, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:3). This includes all the stars, all the original animals and plants, and even the angels (Colossians 1:15-17).

It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God, and he has always existed..."

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html

OR

"Meeting with the Twelve at Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked, “Whom say ye that I am?” Simon Peter, the chief Apostle answered, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:15–16). Peter later testified that Jesus “was foreordained before the foundation of the world” (1 Peter 1:20). He was “in the beginning with the Father, and [is] the Firstborn” (D&C 93:21)."

http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/his-life-and-teachings/articles/who-is-jesus-christ

But it begs to then question: If ya can't even decide who these people are then why are you pushing your faith down our throats? When you get bible study into the public schools which are you going to teach...er, I mean preach?

Pffft.








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Sun 03/14/10 10:09 AM

laugh Hey guys, when you decide let me knowlaugh

"Is Jesus Christ a man, or is he God?

Jesus Christ is most definitely God. He created Adam and Eve, the first man and woman, in his image. He is the Creator of the universe. The Bible says, “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:3). This includes all the stars, all the original animals and plants, and even the angels (Colossians 1:15-17).

It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God, and he has always existed..."

http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/ednk-jesusgodorman.html

OR

"Meeting with the Twelve at Caesarea Philippi, Jesus asked, “Whom say ye that I am?” Simon Peter, the chief Apostle answered, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:15–16). Peter later testified that Jesus “was foreordained before the foundation of the world” (1 Peter 1:20). He was “in the beginning with the Father, and [is] the Firstborn” (D&C 93:21)."

http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/his-life-and-teachings/articles/who-is-jesus-christ

But it begs to then question: If ya can't even decide who these people are then why are you pushing your faith down our throats? When you get bible study into the public schools which are you going to teach...er, I mean preach?

Pffft.




Not to uphold or belittle anyone elses interpretation,, but the beginning of John clearly talks about GOD.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


I have never read in John that Jesus created the world or anything else.




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Sun 03/14/10 01:25 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Sun 03/14/10 01:26 PM

Is Jesus God?
Son of God only?
Both / a part of God?
Other?

Christians list scriptures & beliefs
Non-Christians reference your opinion own beliefs / religion scriptures.
All - be respectful with any comments. (no personal attacks)
Mods - please don't lock the thread, but monitor.


No to all. The entire 'god construct' is a mind- and behavior-control mechanism which promises (much like Wimpy promised Popeye payment for hamburgers) reward in the 'afterlife' (a specious construct itself) for 'good behavior' (i.e., 'sheepledom') in this world. Like a life insurance policy, you have to die to win - so to speak. 'God' is just as 'omnipresent' and 'omniscient' as 'Santa Claus' in the song ... "You better not pout, you better not cry, better not shout, I'm tellin' you why - Santa Claus is coming to town." Behavior modification and control through fear in both instances ...

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Sun 03/14/10 01:28 PM
From a concurrent thread,,,

This view of things is, of course, a kind of religious romanticism which, while it often uses flattering and sometimes embarassing terms in praise of God, manages nevertheless to make man the star of the show.

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As the pillar of fire gave light to Israel but was cloud and darkness to the Egyptians, so our Lord's words shine in the hearts of His people but leave the self-confident unbeliever in the obscurity of moral night

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Sun 03/14/10 01:31 PM
Edited by jlove43 on Sun 03/14/10 01:34 PM

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Sun 03/14/10 03:06 PM



I want both those emoticons!!love

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Mon 03/15/10 12:26 AM

mathew 1:23 Jesus is called immanual, which meens God with us.
1 tim. 3:16 Paul said Jesus was God "manifested in the flesh
Titus 2:13 Paul called Jesus "the great God"
Phil. 2:5,6 Paul said Jesus didn't feel it was wrong to be considered "equal with God."
John 10:30 Jesus said, "I and the father are one"


this is in parable form. Because also keep in mind Jesus would pray to God. Jesus said "father forgive them for they know not what they do"

So Jesus and God being one, but yet Jesus still prayed to God and talked to God as God was a different being shows that all of us are a part of God.


Jesus was or never will be God. he is his chosen prophet to rule the kingdom of heaven but this does not mean to worship him as he told his people not to worship him but God. Jesus spoke in parables and metaphores, God however was direct and to the point. let me break down this so called proof you cite.
1. this is believed to be fullfillment of the jewish prophecy in the Tenoch. however there are other prophecies in thew torah that state in black and white that mankind will never see God in any human form and he shall not walk the earth. so someone is lying. back to this verse, in the Tenoch it states the Messiah's mother would name him Emmanuel..but Mary never called him this did she? No. A follower of Jesus did to give validity to their claim of Jeseus' divinity. in all cases Jesus himself never claimed divinity.
2. Paul was an alcoholic and made many outrageous claims. just because paul said so doesn't make it fact...however this statement can be taken into meaning that Jesus was the direct mouth peice of God just the same as Gabriel has been throughout history.
3. again diect contradiction to the book of ezekial.
4. again coming from paul...not only a pathological liar but an unbeliever until his "devine" experience
5. many other prophets have said this including prophet Muhammad SAW. Doesn't mean they are saying he or they are God, he's merely saying he's a powerful spiritual being like God. if in fact he was God, why would he say the following to a servant
"i am not good, only my father is""
"i do not know the end of times , noone does but my father"
i'm betting he wasn't talking about Joseph.

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