Cowboy so if it's not lust then it's duty ......is that why married people have it once a month on a wednesday

These first verses are talking about marriage to show what i was talking about with sexual actions are to be done only with married people.

mathew 19:6
King James Bible
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

International Standard Version (©2008)
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has joined together, man must never separate."
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And premaratial sex is fornication. So with these following verses you can see fornication is wrong.

corinthians7:9
9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

I think i know what you "might" be refering to. Our flesh is sinful yes. That is why we are not to live by the flesh, falling into it's sinful desires, eg., stealing, lusting, premaritail sex, and many more.

to fear god?

how is it man love to try to please, and love an image of goodness, or of godness???

so it can feel justified in itself???

and/or to know itself hath acquired some forgiveness???

justified about what???

forgiveness for what???

how could anything seek "god", unless itself first felt guilt, or not "positive" feelings, about what itself was, or for self's own actions or words???

how could these feelings even FIRST, be felt, unless one said or did unto it's fellow man, what itself was not most proud about???

if one believed in god, and this same purported entity, said "love thy neighbor as thyself", then would not one whom felt as such, go unto it's neighbor, and tell of how itself had wronged them, and seek to make amends unto it's neighbor, or family member, or friend???

why would one ask of forgiveness unto one, other, than whom it offended???

did one slap "god", or beat up god, or lower god, but to lift itself to higher status, but rather, these things are done unto it's own fellow man???

why then ask "god" for forgiveness???

the same text, say ALL humans are child gods, so, if one believe "god" be the father, why would one seek forgiveness from the "father", and not rather the child, or sibling itself harmed???

would not a human dad, say go and tell your sibling how you wish no more to harm them???

yes, no doubt, that which seek but to please an image of "god", still be thinking in a child god concept, and trying to p[lease "dad", instead of learning what dad would want each to learn???

it's due effect on it's own fellow man???

text itself declare all humans as be nothing more than human being's god's???

the same knowing, would then see that one's own remorse, or seeing a better way, for self's own past action's, in dealing with it's fellow man, is simply in each individual the "god" in itself???

the brain showing a better way, in each day and hour and minute a better way, or more knowing being created???

does not to regret teach all things that are learned in humanity???

if humans do not regret building a boat that sink, and such causing much harm to many, will any better boat be built, and so likewise, a greater intelligence created, with the sight of how to do better???

so in simplicity, the god of each is simply the true regret over how oneself has spoken or acted, with the insight of how this adversely affected it's fellow man???

how is there a priest needed for such, or a minister needed for such, or a scholar needed for such, or a prophet needed for such, or a jesus needed for such, or words of a book needed for such???

for each human being has this "regret capacity" instilled within itself, no matter how unpopular regret has come to be painted within current society???

of course, within a society where it is painted with words that regret is bad, and is as a weakness, many will come to ignore their own regret in time, as the brain has allowed and so taught itself, how to not heed itself???

how does such not fit the first notions of insanity???

does not a sane one, access better, by regret???

but, if this regret is unto a "sky god", then the natural inclination to regret adverse effect of self, upon other human's, HAS TO BE DIMINISHED, has to decrease as a whole within any group that believe such context of forgiveness, and fear of "god"???

repeated brain synapse firing, until one actually purport itself has no regret???

such in itself fit the definition of a sociopath???

so, if regret, is poured out in words, unto an image of "god" in the heaven's, then what was intended to be learned on planet earth has yet to be mastered???

simply the care and concern, of how self effect, how self create, unto it's neighbor???

for such create intelligence, as the brain will and can access feedback as accurate, that ITSELF CREATED???

would this not be the true and only tell of real love for one's own fellow species, as equal in value as oneself???

how did text, where such things were first conceived as accurate definition's, ever say anything different???

for if there is to exist, love within humanity, of one for another, than how is such not created, and kept alive, most by seeing what IS NOT love for each other, for of course, such allow that to be brought into the light of accountability of self, not to god, but to OTHER HUMAN'S, WHOM TEXT AS WELL, DECLARED AS "ALL GODS"???

it seems there be many, many, many misrepresentation's by the self proclaimed "GOD" lover's, but all words, as definition's taken and accessed as accurate, CREATE THE FIRST NO POSSIBILITY OF PEACE, OR UNITY, and disharmony that first existed in mankind???

not to mention as well, as total decreasing of the human intelligence???

but, perhaps many p[ower structures like ignorance, or the easily led, for such keep the intelligence in one place, where it is most wished to be kept, at the TOP OF THE HEAP OF SOCIETY???

FOR THE INTELLIGENT, KNOW HOW TO SUCCEED, AT ANY VENTURE ITSELF WISH TO ACCOMPLISH, AND IF TOO MANY SUCCEED, THEN PROFITS AND POWER MUST BE SHARED???

if "common folk" were there own wise BOSS, THEN WHAT NEED WOULD THERE BE OF A "BOSS", OR A MASTER, THEN SAY WHEN TO COME AND GO, AND WHEN TO DO AND NOT DO???

POWER STRUCTURE'S THAT ACT AS A CONDESCENDING FATHER TO IT'S OWN CHILDREN, DO NOT WISH TO CREATE INTELLIGENCE, AND WISDOM, BUT RATHER SERVITUDE, AND BLIND ALLEGIANCE???

HOW DID HITLER PERPETUATE ANYTHING DIFFERENT, TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED???

so, first and foremost, wisdom or fear of ones effect one others, is to be seen by oneself???

and whom is it that be the tell of how self effect???

self???

or, the voices of one's own fellow man???

is not the feedback of environment, which be "human environment", most concerning "human" interaction, the TRUE TELL of self effect???

to teach images of god, and to please god, DESTROY AND ERODE SUCH INSIGHT???

NOT MISSED, EVEN THE TEXT DECLARE, "NO MAN CAN PLEASE GOD", not missed that if anything is attempmting to "PLEASE GOD", it has missed the entire essence of the words once spoken, "to love thy neighbor as the greatest commandment???

NOT LOVE "SKY GOD" AS THE GREATEST???

FOR EVEN THIS SAME JESUS SAID TO BE FOLLOWED, TOLD ALL TO WORSHIP ONE ANOTHER, SAYING ALL WERE GODS???

how convoluted the belief's of "words" have truly become.

such teachings destroy first the root knowing within any society, to respect it's own fellow citizen's, and lead's to a total societal calloused indifference within humans of each other???

certainly not missed, leading to no true sight of the suffering of others as oneself, with the notions that such suffrage be caused, do to a lacking of belief, in the same belief system as oneself???

how can any notion be more preposterous, and crazy, in the effect it will have within the psyche of the human brain???

it has to erode all unity, and any sight of common good, and of any civility and value of humans as one collective valuable species???

to teach allegiance to a heavenly god, which even text itself says NOT TO DO, is to teach an ignoring of the voices around oneself, seeing most as NOT ACCURATE in due time, and creating but a selective hearing, allowed to exist, to simply justify and validate the self actions and words???

horseshit, ********, nefarious, incredulous, stupid, ridiculous, dumb, counter productive, counter self preservative OF AND FOR ALL???

for if one claim it love another, would not the tell be the words of another are DEEMED just as important as self's own words???

how can one say they love, and "god love's you", and fear not the words of it's own fellow man, that it be speaking to???

such "fear of god", simply create brains that heed "them", "them", and "them" as ignorant, or as muffled baffle, because such deem it's own words as supreme, due to these notions believed in???

the notions show true less knowing, and a sad sate of propagated ignorance, for the benefit of only SOME TO PROSPER, AND ONLY SOME TO HAVE POWER???

WAS NOT THIS SAME JESUS, TEXTUALLY SAID TO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THOSE SEEKING TO KEEP AND MAINTAIN "RELIGIOUS" POWER OVER???

is not the true tell of love, that one believes it's own fellow man???

why would self believe itself, and not believe it's neighbor???

would not these notion's create the self motive, to ALWAYS and FIRST, simply side with self in all matters???

to self validate, the self's own mind, which no doubt would create a narcissistic society, or a place where all simply worship their own knowing most???

of course, what validate what self already believes, is just an extension of oneself, and extension and creation of a greater and larger poole of narcissism???

of course, there could never be any unity in such a place???

so, how can such things be taught, and it be purported the goal of such teachings is peace, for what is peace but common unity and goals of common purpose???

there very teachings prevent such from occurring, so are the root cause of no unity, or no peace???

is it the words once spoken to blame???

no, but rather the context taken in, which be determined by the motive of the heart, or the intent to prove what one will to prove to itself, when they are first read???

there should be huge regret over mankind itself creating what now exists, with the telling's of these teachings???

but how can this exist, if it be taught that "god" in the sky made all this mess???

such only make the mind believe itself had nothing to do with it, and that it has no power over itself, to rectify it's own behavior, unto a better way???

but, regret has even come to be painted as for the "ignorant", when indeed, regret be the most crucial key in the advancement of intelligence of the human species???

to see how something could be better, and WANT to peruse better???

how can this occur, if regret is seen and taught to be a weakness, and to be told unto "sky god"???

no doubt, the greatest courage, the greatest bravery, be the ability to admit how oneself is or was wrong, or may be inaccurate, not before and to a god in the heaven's, but before one's own fellow man???

how can it be missed, the greatest fear that preside on the planet, has come to be the willingn ness to admit oneself is wrong, for the sake of true remorse???

how can there be any ture honor, or valor, or courage, where such things are propagated by teaching of fallacy that create in all ways, nefarious motive in the human brain itself???

purported that such be weakness, when in reality, such create all things that ARE BETTER???

AND WHAT MOST FIRST CREATE SUCH NOTION'S AND MOTIVE AND FEAR, OF WHAT BE THE ONLY TRUE BRILLIANCE THAT EXIST WITHIN MANKIND???

TEACHING THE FEAR OF GOD???

the chronological order the brain assimilate the data once spoken in said book, determine the meanings???

and what number did it give for "how many", or "who" were of god???

if not mistaken, the same text say ALL are child gods, and this be an unconditional fact, if one is to profess and declare itself to believe in such sayings???

it is far time the fallacy of such teaching be exposed for the fraudulent and hapless and reckless endangerment they be unto society as a whole.

if indeed, a "child god" was created, then it also likewise must have the capacity of becoming an adult god, if TOLD THE PROPER WAY, OR NO LONGER TAUGHT FALSE TEACHINGS, for it would dispute it's own sayings???

how can anything believe in a supreme intelligent perfect creator, and then deem what itself say it believe in, AS "GOD", as creating defective offspring, or for creating some mutant, somehow less in value and intelligence than oneself???

if such is thought to be as true, as there are mutant's and evil being's, that are of the decent of a "sky devil", then it can come by no other way THAN THE FALSE TEACHING OF MAN ITSELF!!!???

there very notion's taught are self contradicting, and create all evil motive and intent that exist in the planet???

many have fallen prey to such belief's, and in short time, blessed THEM SELF, as they destroyed millions of their own fellow man???

so the belief, and what it create, in the motive and want and will of the human brain, is of paramount significance and importance, for such decide the fate of EACH of the species itself, and so the FATE OF ALL???

ALL have the capacity to know good intelligence!!!???

it be man's interpretations and teaching's, that be the only suspect in creating self ignorance.

THE FEAR OF GOD, LOL...

words used to profess allegiance to but a figment of the mind of SOME SELF HOLINESS!!!???

holiness???

of course, if one care for something, it's pet, or it's mother, or father, or sibling, or friend, than it cares if it hurt, or cause by it's own action's, suffrage unto them, and this most, is the fear of what self love, for it wish not to harm, except without just merit, to protect and preserve the weak or vulnerable???


yes, i already know this will be long, lol....

so why tell me what i am aware of, and do not deem myselof to be a sin, lol...

for if one's happiness can be stolen by a long post, just how good is the happiness one claims to have???

peace fellow sailors on the seas of life...

wow,, basically,, God has given us a code of ethics to live by, when we fall short, we of course offend our brother or sister but we also DISAPPOINT God.....these are the reasons to ask forgiveness and Gods power to forgive is to be awed or feared or whichever semantics one chooses to use...

yes, it's not God that we are particularly to fear. It's the consenquences of our actions if our actions do not go along with the laws he has given us.

God does not condem anyone, if anything condems anyone it's our own actions and the choices we make in our lives.

WOW! 'msharmony' and 'cowboy',

... there is just no end to your mission of defending, explaning, justifying all the illogisms, contradictions and wall-to-wall confusion that that 'god' of yours built into 'his creation'!!!

I truly I'm impresssed by your resolve. I never could, nor would I ever want to deal with the impossible job of trying to contain or hoping to straighten out that much 'godly' BS.

Wouldn't it be simpler for yourselves to just go on faith, and stop trying to make sense out of stuff that was never meant to make sense???

God hasn't given us anything, man made those ethics and they are flawed as all humans are.

WE ARE OUR OWN GODS...
LEARN IT LIVE IT.. DROP THE PROPOGANDA RHETORIC...
WE AS HUMANS HAVE THE PURE ABILITY TO CREATE LIFE OR DESTROY IT...TO FORGIVE OR CONDEMN..
TO LOVE OR HATE..
TO SHOW MERCY OR VENGENCE..
ITS ALL US

respectfully, it makes perfect sense to me to ask forgiveness as it does to fear God, or else I would say I didnt understand it

you first have to get to the reasons why people would turn to Gods instead of turning to themselves ...Gods offer a vehicle for fullfilling the inherent desire for vengence and blood lust ...this explains why people that for some odd reason believe they are good are willing to follow a God that promise to torture and torment others on a massive scale for an eternality

vengeance and bloodlust,,wow.....and why do people follow the laws of their country? a country that promises to take your freedoms, expose you to murderous rapists daily, or execute you if you dont?

I turn to myself but I seek understanding of things that are beyond myself from God. I know I didnt create the world, and I know I cant always do or figure things out completely by myself.

I am neither vengeful or lusting for blood, I believe in doing whats right and like religious and non religious , I also make good choices to sometimes avoid the consequences which come from bad ones.


The assumption that people who 'turn to God' have some vengeful character or are somehow flawed in some special way is a pretty pompous one. But thats just my opinion.

Counter-respectfully msharmony,

... that is exactly my point when I speak of your resolve to keep making sense of that which was never intended to make sense.

I'm clear this whole 'asking 'god' forgiveness' and 'fearing 'god' thing' makes perfect sense TO YOU.
And I respect your right to believe.
But this belief you speak of, is a personal construct, and it only makes sense to you, in the perspective of YOUR PERSONAL FAITH; taken ON FAITH by you personally!!!

Outside of 'TAKEN ON FAITH', statements such as 'asking forgiveness to your personal 'god', and 'fearing this personal 'god' of yours', makes absolutely no sense.

In my humble opinion, the one whom believes, must become responsible in acknowledging this fine line in his exchanges with others; what one personally takes on faith, cannot, and should not be argued as though it automatically made sense in the public domain.

By definition, faith and beliefs, making up one's faith, are not founded on facts, nor are they founded on common sense!!!
By definition, faith and beliefs MAKE NO SENSE, other than to the ONE whom holds the belief on faith.

Non-believers ARE NOT BEING OFFENSIVE in pointing this persisting incoherence. On the contrary, in my opinion, it is the believer whom persists in ignoring and confusing the fine line of personal and public domains, carrying on as though their's were the only position that MADE SENSE, refusing to respect the non-believer's position as equally legitimate to the believer's!!!

That, in my view, is the ultimate offense of non-respect toward others!!!

Proselytizing, promoting, or otherwise 'pushing' as real one's beliefs onto others without permission, is not the lot of the non-believers or the respectful believer.

It is the lot of 'religious' people 'spreading', 'sharing' or 'evangelizing' the word of their 'god' without any regards for those whom do not wish to have that word 'spread' onto them, much less 'shared' or 'evangelized'!!! People wishing to expose themselves to the 'word spreading +' treatment, are free to enter any number of local churches 'spread' throughout the land, or enter in
'one-on-one' exchanges with any believer they encounter on their personal journey.

Taking responsibility for each other's legitimate privilege and right to 'believe' AND to 'not believe', is where the real debate should take place.
A debate for true peaceful and generous co-existence outside of the 'believe or die' dictate.
A debate proposed by the very 'founders' of the US of A, and spelled out in its constitution more than 230 years ago.

I bet the founding fathers never imagined that their vision would still be just that, a vision and project yet to be manifested 230 years later.

Msharmony...it's a simply way to prove what I said .....do you believe that God drowning everyone of the planet including newborn babies was god doing good or god doing evil? ....

please choose either good or evil

good(just)- if you are referring to the great flood

and if a human did the same...would you still consider it to be "just"

Humans did not create life to have the authority. I would consider a human who believed themself to have that right to be quite delusional.

When a man makes love to his wife, I think it is good, if a man makes love to someone elses wife , I think it is sin.

Different relationships include different 'rights'.

when it comes to fear, there is no such thing as a fearless life. Personally, fearing God, puts things into a perspective where I am less likely to fear man. there is no choice of whether to fear, but who and what we fear is a choice,,I happen to choose God.

With all due respect to your personal beliefs 'msharmony', I am experiencing a great sense of relief reading your reply to 'funches', knowing that our world is no longer ruled by 'bible believing' individuals.

In contemporay terms, that statement of yours ranks right alongside the hysterical comments Pat Robertson made about 'your god' punishing Haïti for 'whatever'.

Hopefully, as a race, we have overcome at least in principle, if not totally in practice, the primitive and barbarian 'godly' mentality of the 'flood' fable. That is where 'hope' rests for the human race IMHO: far from those unjust and evil bible fables.

I think many rulers believe in some religion or another,,whether they make themselves into Gods or they impose that belief on citizens is another matter...