lol that would make the 10 commandments irrelevant and they would be useless. We are all children of God. And if your child disowned you and said you weren't their perent would you not just disown them from your life? Or if your child kept stealing from you would you not tell that child not to come around? And many others, these examples are just the most apparent.

No this is not a place for debating most of the time.

This is a place to whine usually.. What you have concieved is an Oxymoron.

A place where people say." Mom he touched me, quit it, Mom!!!" see childish Tit for tat will always bring out the unconcerned only looking to see how irrating he can be to his brother then the other calls out for the calvary.

We need to stand on our own 2 feet and grow up on this forumn and be adults most of the time.

Then a Debate will be worthwhile, challenging and informative to all....Blessings...Miles

Respectfully disagreeing with you here 'Miles'.
This is always a place meant FOR debating.

We could define the nature and type of debates that take place on these very 'FORUMS', but it sure is a general debating 'place'.

From your comment above, and I might be wrong here, but it appears to me that you limit debating to its more formal formats such as: Parliamentary, Mace, Public, Classical, Lincoln-Douglas (good old high school format) and many other formal styles I forget.

But there are informal styles of debating as well. And the online debates, such as the ones found on these very forums are very much part of the informal debating format.

Now you may not appreciate the 'informal' types of debating.

It is true that informal debates are filled with 'flaming', and other forms of 'local tavern' type argumentation, consisting primarily of assertions and vague and unsupported opinions, but it is all very much within the informal debating fair.

Furthermore, to expect the 'debating forums' of a dating site to be structured, disciplined and educational, as you appeared to wish for in your previous comment, is expecting a tad much of this place.

Expecting something rigorous and orderly out of an intened random and informal context; now that would be the oxymoron you were pointing at earlier.

'... Thank you Mr.Moderator, I see my time is up...', ... now wouldn't that be special!!!

Slow down there 'cowboy'!!!

You can't have both ways!!!

You wrote a beauty here, with an affirmation, and its correlate contradiction in one straight and simple low word count sentence:

"... But very true he loves you unconditionally if you ask for forgiveness..."

Unconditional means no conditions: NO 'IF's ALLOWED!!!

That's what I meant when I suggested your own 'god', perfect as he is, couldn't possibly agree with the contradiction you are proposing about his own divine nature.

oh great we have another person that loves to play word games and misquote what you say. Since the meaning of what i said passed you up let me reward it just a little around the "IF" statement.

But very true he loves you unconditionally when you ask for forgiveness, truely meening it and repent from whatever it is you're asking forgiveness of, you will be forgiven and it will be like you never did it in the first place

for it is God's Will that you fear him but it's pretty clear that God is not a her

Deuteronomy 6:15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

'cowboy', I don't misquote, and I sure didn't misquote you. I copy pasted YOUR words.

As for the meaning, it would appear that your own meaning is 'passing YOU up', as you so colorfully stated above.

Finally, I am not playing word games with you my friend. You on the other hand, take huge liberties with the english language.

'IF' since you insist for a more thorough explanation, IMPLIES A CONDITION!!!
Now, I'll write this very slowly:

there cannot be a condition in anything UNCONDITIONAL!!!


Thus the closing statements:

'YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!', and

'EVEN YOUR GOD COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE!!!'

your word games in this particular situation was this.
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But very true he loves you unconditionally if you ask for forgiveness..."
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reason i'm calling it a word came because of my typo. "If" was a new sentence starting a new subject. That is why i retyped it with a different word to get the meaning of what was originally ment.

Asking for forgiveness is a condition so it is not unconditional love being offered.

It is illogical that a creature as omnipotent as this god of Christians is, would require fear of his minions anyway. He doesn't need fear to do what he does. But men who want to control others would definitely want their imaginary god feared so their control would be easier to attain and maintain.

The whole concept of the Christian god is illogical and incomprehensible under analysis.

The concept of the religion are hypocritical and actually dangerous to the healthy mind of man.

Well i have no problems with opinions or anything else. but i like to stimulate my mind to wonder why. To make me think about the matter. To make me look at my own way of thinking. Now I like your Lincoln Douglas Debate part since my old Family was at the one in the Park across from the Historic Lincoln Douglas Hotel. Glad to see that you have knowledge of it because I am sure thier are many who have not a clue what they were all about but then again it was not religious.

yea I like structure without structure in anyones life it is blowing in the wind. That does not mean it is ridged just that it has principles to live by. Thier own what makes them unique each and everyone of us.

Or this would be quite a boring world. No my friend I just like something to stick my teeth into because Knowledge is the difference between knowing and being left behind.... Blessings...Miles

Someone does not need to ask for forgiveness to recieve love from God, God's love is unconditional. A perent loves there children and pusnishes them for doing bad things. Same with God, we live a sinful ungodly life then we are punished.

Cowboy ...you are a walking contradiction

lol funches you are funny. I've already corrected you once on this. I did not use correct punctuation, "When you ask for forgiveness" was the start of a different sentence. Already showed you this in previouse posts.
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But very true he loves you unconditionally if you ask for forgiveness, truely meening it and repent from whatever it is you're asking forgiveness of, you will be forgiven and it will be like you never did it in the first place.
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the entire statement of which you are trying to quote from. And you can see here

"But very true he love you unconditionally" is one statement,
should have been followed by a comma, then the
"If you ask for forgiveness, truely meening it, and repent of whatever it is you're asking forgiveness of, you will be forgiven"

'cowboy',
don't take this the wrong way - you're a good man, there is no doubt about that - but you would be doing yourself, your 'god' and the whole fellowship of fundamentalist christians you belong to, a huge favor,
... if you were to learn, and practice avoiding sinking beyond the point of no return in your discussions.

It's not fun for any of us to witness you sink to such low grounds everytime.

Retire and regroup. You'll only come back stronger in the next round!!!

I have no idea what you're talking about lol. I'm not a fundamentalist christian or belong to anything. I'm just a good ole country boy that loves to spread the word of our God. Weather you want to claim God or not, it is still the same God for all of us. And i pray that you all find God one day and never let go.

Why should i fear what is not there? you make your own heaven and hell sooooooooo always look on the bright side of life. Anna x

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of ****
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...

Fear God, dont fear God, its about semantics and what fear means to you.

For me, fear is a healthy survival instinct and emotion. It is also, as I have stated before, a healthy part of respect as it pertains to authority. We fear certain consequences which assists us in making certain choices. I fear the reverence of God, I prefer a mate who does the same. I know God loves me and expects much of me and prefer a mate who knows this as well.

Much like my father on earth, living in his house meant living by his rules, rules created out of love to be just even when I didnt understand their purpose. I know my Father in heaven governs in the same way. I prefer a mate who knows this as well.

If all this isnt a part of someone, thats fine. I am just saying these things are important to ME. Like with anything else, as a matter of COMPATIBILITY, they need to be important to my mate.

Cowboy...I took those two quotes of yours from two seperate posts which in turn, sort of renders your punctuation excuse useless

besides what I was actually doing was trying to let you use your contradiction skills to find a way so that believers could rid themselves of sin and cast the first stone

Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone, because Jesus was trying to stop an adultress from being killed ....but if you go back and read your previous posts you will notice that all you tried to do was find a way to get rid of your sins so that you could place yourself into a position to commit the sin of casting that first stone and killing the adultress

Jesus gave you an opportunity not to commit murder but all you tried to do was to find a way so that you could commit murder and carry out the command to stone adulterers and unruly children to death

your posts along with your contradiction skills were today's bible lesson as to how people find ways to justify and kill in the name of God

wow...i didn't mean to cause a stir. This is the reason why I don't like to post in this very forum. religion is a touchy subject. I believe what i believe, and all I wanted to do is share my opinion. Very much regret that I did

i love you funches, and wish you the best m8 :)