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Topic: Man convicted of murdering Kansas abortion provider
MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 01:22 PM
Edited by MiddleEarthling on Fri 01/29/10 01:23 PM
"WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Jurors swiftly convicted an abortion opponent of murder Friday for shooting to death one of the only doctors to offer late-term abortions in the U.S., a killing the gunman claimed was justified to save the lives of unborn children.

The jury deliberated for just 37 minutes before finding Scott Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., guilty of premeditated, first-degree murder for putting a gun to the forehead of Dr. George Tiller on May 31 and pulling the trigger.

Defense attorney Mark Rudy described his case as helpless and hopeless.

"I've never seen anyone lay himself out as much as Mr. Roeder did," Rudy said after the verdict, referring to his client's confessions.

Roeder faces a mandatory sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years when he is sentenced March 9. Prosecutor Nola Foulston said she would pursue a so-called "Hard 50" sentence, which would require Roeder to serve at least 50 years before he can be considered for parole.

Tiller's widow, Jeanne, and the rest of the family quickly exited the courtroom after the verdict. In a statement, Jeanne Tiller said "once again, a Sedgwick County jury has reached a just verdict."

The family said it wanted Tiller to be "remembered for his legacy of service to women, the help he provided for those who needed it and the love and happiness he provided us as a husband, father and grandfather."

Roeder had confessed publicly before the trial and admitted again on the witness stand that he shot Tiller in the foyer of the Wichita church where the doctor was serving as an usher. He testified he felt the lives of unborn children were in "immediate danger" because of Tiller.

During closing arguments earlier Friday, Rudy urged the jury to reject the murder charge, saying, "no one should be convicted based on his convictions."

Rudy mentioned leaders who stood up for their beliefs, including Martin Luther King Jr. They were "celebrated individuals (who) stood up and made the world a better place."

"They leave their marks based on their words and deeds," Rudy said.

But prosecutor Kim Parker said Roeder is "simply guilty of the crime he has been charged with."

Prosecutor Ann Swegle told jurors to use their "common sense" when deliberating and find Roeder guilty based not only on the state's case but also on Roeder's own testimony in which he described how he killed Tiller in a "planned assassination."

"There could be no other verdict in this case," she said.



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Peccy's photo
Fri 01/29/10 01:44 PM

"WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Jurors swiftly convicted an abortion opponent of murder Friday for shooting to death one of the only doctors to offer late-term abortions in the U.S., a killing the gunman claimed was justified to save the lives of unborn children.

The jury deliberated for just 37 minutes before finding Scott Roeder, 51, of Kansas City, Mo., guilty of premeditated, first-degree murder for putting a gun to the forehead of Dr. George Tiller on May 31 and pulling the trigger.

Defense attorney Mark Rudy described his case as helpless and hopeless.

"I've never seen anyone lay himself out as much as Mr. Roeder did," Rudy said after the verdict, referring to his client's confessions.

Roeder faces a mandatory sentence of life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years when he is sentenced March 9. Prosecutor Nola Foulston said she would pursue a so-called "Hard 50" sentence, which would require Roeder to serve at least 50 years before he can be considered for parole.

Tiller's widow, Jeanne, and the rest of the family quickly exited the courtroom after the verdict. In a statement, Jeanne Tiller said "once again, a Sedgwick County jury has reached a just verdict."

The family said it wanted Tiller to be "remembered for his legacy of service to women, the help he provided for those who needed it and the love and happiness he provided us as a husband, father and grandfather."

Roeder had confessed publicly before the trial and admitted again on the witness stand that he shot Tiller in the foyer of the Wichita church where the doctor was serving as an usher. He testified he felt the lives of unborn children were in "immediate danger" because of Tiller.

During closing arguments earlier Friday, Rudy urged the jury to reject the murder charge, saying, "no one should be convicted based on his convictions."

Rudy mentioned leaders who stood up for their beliefs, including Martin Luther King Jr. They were "celebrated individuals (who) stood up and made the world a better place."

"They leave their marks based on their words and deeds," Rudy said.

But prosecutor Kim Parker said Roeder is "simply guilty of the crime he has been charged with."

Prosecutor Ann Swegle told jurors to use their "common sense" when deliberating and find Roeder guilty based not only on the state's case but also on Roeder's own testimony in which he described how he killed Tiller in a "planned assassination."

"There could be no other verdict in this case," she said.



Read more: http://newsok.com/man-convicted-of-murdering-kansas-abortion-provider/article/3435576?custom_click=pod_headline_crime#ixzz0e2Sncmjd


"claimed was justified to save the lives of unborn children." by that logic I should kill everyone who had anything to do with cigarettes if I got cancer, or shoot every person who drinks and drives because my cousin was killed by a drunk driver. The rationale of some minds is terribly skewed.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 02:28 PM
Anyone who does what he did is no different than a terrorist. He also aimed his gun at two ushers at the church. I hope he gets the max...



Peccy's photo
Fri 01/29/10 02:49 PM
lol......I knew this whole episode had religious undertones to it! That makes sense!

DoDmember's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:09 PM
im glad the jury didnt buy his bs excuse for this. this was an act of terrorism i'll bet if he had killed a senator everyone would have recognised it as such!

markumX's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:13 PM
back home this man would be executed next week instead of taking advantage of US tax dollars unless of course he gets shanked in his first month.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:35 PM
Well, were you aware that earlier in the trial the defense tried to bargan to manslaughter? That would have had him out in maybe 3 or 4 years. THAT would have been a disasterous decision and might have encouraged others to act out...kill, bomb.

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The Supreme Court is not ruling on abortion anytime soon and may not again for many years. The RW in my state are trying to pass laws restricting women's rights in their decision to have an abortion.

So instead of people working to prevent abortion...say, by education about contraception, good sex education, less teen drinking...no they tend to want to either pass anti-rights laws or create an atmosphere of violence as a resolve...yeah that always worked in history.surprised

Are some of us still living in caves?







InvictusV's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:36 PM

back home this man would be executed next week instead of taking advantage of US tax dollars unless of course he gets shanked in his first month.


I'm curious... how many abortion clinics are there in gaza and the west bank?

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:45 PM


back home this man would be executed next week instead of taking advantage of US tax dollars unless of course he gets shanked in his first month.


I'm curious... how many abortion clinics are there in gaza and the west bank?



What's your point?(less)

InvictusV's photo
Fri 01/29/10 03:48 PM



back home this man would be executed next week instead of taking advantage of US tax dollars unless of course he gets shanked in his first month.


I'm curious... how many abortion clinics are there in gaza and the west bank?



What's your point?(less)



If I thought you were qualified to answer the question I would have quoted one of your "posts"..

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Fri 01/29/10 03:59 PM
"WICHITA, Kan. (AP) — Jurors swiftly convicted an abortion opponent of murder Friday for shooting to death one of the only doctors to offer late-term abortions in the U.S., a killing the gunman claimed was justified to save the lives of unborn children

^and personally I agree, hell we kill people abroad for their religious convictions, why not kill murderers of babies as well....pfft......

Dragoness's photo
Fri 01/29/10 04:06 PM
NOT a PRO-lifer!!!!!

No way would a PRO-LIFER kill anyone, after all it goes against their PROLIFE philosophy.

True prolifers could not promote the death penalty, war, killing in any form.

So I guess this couldn't have been a real pro lifer after all then huh?

It is a sick philosophy that makes this logic possible.

cashu's photo
Fri 01/29/10 04:23 PM
WHAT CAN I SAY WHAT A GOOD SHOT . and another example of liberal justice . the man killed a mast murderer who cares ........

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 05:17 PM

NOT a PRO-lifer!!!!!

No way would a PRO-LIFER kill anyone, after all it goes against their PROLIFE philosophy.

True prolifers could not promote the death penalty, war, killing in any form.

So I guess this couldn't have been a real pro lifer after all then huh?

It is a sick philosophy that makes this logic possible.





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Fri 01/29/10 05:29 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/29/10 05:30 PM
It is sad this happens, I feel for the families of both men. Abortion is a touchy topic, but to step in and decide who lives and dies is not any mans place. Those who made cigarettes or drink and drive dont have the SOLE purpose of killing so I feel abortionists are different than the analogy previously presented.

however, I do not feel it is anyones place to take someones life except in the attempt to IMMEDIATELY save someone elses. For instance, if this usher was in the act of punching this mans pregnant wife in the belly,, a jury would probably be more likely to find it a reasonable defense. The fact that this was first of all , premeditated. The fact that this was done to someone who was not IN THE ACT of killing and the fact that whatever killing he may have done was SANCTIONED by the parents,,,,its hard to make any reasonable case to justify his actions.

He was wrong and the jury was right in their verdict.

MiddleEarthling's photo
Fri 01/29/10 05:33 PM




back home this man would be executed next week instead of taking advantage of US tax dollars unless of course he gets shanked in his first month.


I'm curious... how many abortion clinics are there in gaza and the west bank?



What's your point?(less)



If I thought you were qualified to answer the question I would have quoted one of your "posts"..


[Citation Needed]


HuckleberryFinn's photo
Fri 01/29/10 05:37 PM
it doesn't take a PROLIFER to see an unjust occurence, fate is a funny thing in life, maybe it was his sole purpose to rid the world of a mass murderer...wow, miss harmony, I suppose you thought the initial Rodney King verdict was just as well, after all it was done in a court of law, the law can be wrong too, as seen in the pittsburg police thread.....anyhow, I'm with the person who said, who cares, the world is rid of a mass murderer...It's funny how the women have a problem accepting that term when it comes to late abortions, but sorry, that's exactly what it is.....

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Fri 01/29/10 05:38 PM

WHAT CAN I SAY WHAT A GOOD SHOT . and another example of liberal justice . the man killed a mast murderer who cares ........
why i,m i not surprised buy a statement like this. under supreme court law. abortions are legal. so in this logist. since i think the NRA. allows guns to kill. that gives me the right to shoot an NRA member. was confused. but thanks for cleaning it up.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/29/10 05:40 PM

it doesn't take a PROLIFER to see an unjust occurence, fate is a funny thing in life, maybe it was his sole purpose to rid the world of a mass murderer...wow, miss harmony, I suppose you thought the initial Rodney King verdict was just as well, after all it was done in a court of law, the law can be wrong too, as seen in the pittsburg police thread.....anyhow, I'm with the person who said, who cares, the world is rid of a mass murderer...It's funny how the women have a problem accepting that term when it comes to late abortions, but sorry, that's exactly what it is.....



The Rodney verdict , was about excessive force, which was obvious on the tape to be taking place. I do not at all feel that jury had their heads on right. According to the definition of murder, or unlawful taking of life , this usher was indeed guilty although I believe he had accepted the consequence of his action before he took it.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/29/10 05:42 PM


WHAT CAN I SAY WHAT A GOOD SHOT . and another example of liberal justice . the man killed a mast murderer who cares ........
why i,m i not surprised buy a statement like this. under supreme court law. abortions are legal. so in this logist. since i think the NRA. allows guns to kill. that gives me the right to shoot an NRA member. was confused. but thanks for cleaning it up.


As opposed as I am to guns, they are not JUST for killing people, they also are for hunting food(although not the only way to do so). the SOLE and only purpose of an ABORTION is to terminate a human life. I think a better analogy would be if one shot the local prison switchman who pulls the switch on the electric chair. His ONLY purpose in his job is to take away life.

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