MsHarmony...it has nothing to do with God being greater....it about you worshipping and promoting the morality of a God as being good, but would view such values in yourself and everyone else as being distasteful or even evil .....

so claiming to be the son of God and the only way to God is not Jesus trying to be superior ....

No. MsHarmony, you keep saying things like this, but its simply not true. The set of beliefs which are prerequisite for 'being an american' are not much different than the set of beliefs which are prerequisite for 'being a human'. (I suspect, in both cases, it might be "none at all".)

Being a member of a religion, however, involves much more. These two scenarios are not equal.

IMO, the main reason that religiosity is worthy of investigation (for possibly being a direct contributor to violence) is because it requires you to embrace certain encoded beliefs.

To make contrary claims that ignore this is not unlike making a 'strawman' argument.

had this on a t-shirt once:
Holy War
A fight over who's invisable friend is tougher

I doubt you have seen me post that anyone is evil. As to the values of God, I see him as just. He gives us much more than we could ever earn and in return we sometimes lose more than we THINK we deserve.

no more than taking 95 North to Los angeles makes it a superior route than taking 95 South to Arizona. HE is giving direction to a destination,,not superior or inferior,, just factual.

I do not see it the same way, obviously. Religion does not FORCE anyone to do anything but they can choose to embrace its guidelines. Just as an american soldier embraces the guidelines set in his job, or a President embraces the guidelines in his. That all situations may involve people misusing and overstepping those guidelines, does not follow that the MERE presence of a President or a soldier is the REASON for violence or any other wrong doing that humans choose to do.

Which is, of course, completely unrelated to my point.



Guidelines? Guidelines? By embracing Christianity, one is choosing to embrace a lot more than guidelines. I've known some Christians who brag about how they give themselves over to Christ, how their religion effects everything about their life.



Really? Being a Christian is just like being a soldier? Soldiers have periods of time when they are 'on duty' and periods where they are 'off duty'... and lets not forget that some of them go on 'shore leave'.



I think you might have mixed up your analogy. Weren't you comparing 'being a Christian' to 'being a soldier' ?

what you talking about Willis?

where in that post did I suggest that you called anyone evil.....I said that believers such as yourself promote the values of a God as being "Just" but yet have deem those same values as being evil or morally reprehensible when it is applied to themselves and why wouldn't that consitute as being hypocrisy

MsHarmonry...so in your mind someone claiming to be the son of God is no more superior than someone telling you to take 95 South to Arizona .....er....ok

I guess 95 South to Arizona is God's only begotten road

One fights(physically) for their idea of what their country stands for, the other fights (symbolically) for their idea of what Christ stood for....yes,,,that was the analogy

Hmmm, let me try this another way,,,,Jesus set the example of how we SHOULD and SHOULD not live,,,as directed by God. We call those ideas of how we should and should not live,,,values.

Now, If a boy, who does not know how to operate a plane is told not to fly that plane by a pilot father,,,is that father a hypocrite when he is able and DOES fly the plane?

God has a knowledge as the creator that none of us have, those things that apply to us do not HAVE to apply to him. Those things that apply to us apply for good reasons based upon our limited knowledge and fallable character, reasons that need not apply to Him .

MsHarmony...as usual your analogies are far off the mark...so allow me to bring it up to speed

now if the boy told everyone in ear range that he considered it to be morally reprehensible for anyone to use airplanes to deliver illegal drugs across the bounder but yet praise his father for doing the same exact time as being moral,that would constitute hypocrisy

you told of things that you would never do because it would be considered to be morally reprehensible or perhaps evil..but yet you praise and promote a God for doing those same things...hypocrisy

I believe I am not the one off the mark. The mere word ILLEGAL adds another layer to the analogy that has little to do with my point. My point being that the CREATOR has knowledge and character that his creation does not. The rules that are created by him for his creation do not have to apply to Him.

MsHarmony...you added no moral or sociotal outrage in your analogy like you did in your origianl statement ....so can you rephrase your analogy to fit the scope of what we are discussing ....

With all due respect Ms.Harmony...

That is the scariest fundamental belief of Christianity/Islam/Judaism. God is 'this' and god is 'that', as if you have a personal relationship with this creator of the universe.

How do you - or anyone else - possibly know any of that?

lol who do you think came up with Christianity???
a guilty feeling man thats who

I know i have a personal relationship with God and i'm sure msharmony does to. Alot on top of alot of people have personal relations with God.

IN what statement did I add 'outrage', I am pretty consistently responding to your current statements and questions, but I am open to redressing past posts if you can be more specific as to what they were.

The way I know my father is my father, even though I did not witness my conception and never had DNA done. The way I know that my brothers are my brothers. Trust in those who have witnessed and spread the knowledge either verbally or in written form.