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Integrity, seems to be something we are losing in our quest for mere 'happiness'. i found this quote from Einstein and thought I would share,,, The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance, and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our lives. I thought of integrity when I read the Yahoo headline about Whitney Houston being snubbed. This woman came through so much and pulled herself together,,I wonder the type of person that would publically humiliate her that way and sleep well at night. Considering that morality is individual, how can you say that we are losing it, if you cannot judge anothers morality? Morality is living within your individual determination of what is right and wrong for you. Noone else can tell you what is moral for you. Perhaps my faith in human conscience is idealistic. I dont believe morals (right and wrong) are so subjective or diverse. I believe we mostly have a built in moral compass of right and wrong. I think what IS right has been largely overshadowed by what FEELS right. I would wager that the reporter of this story would not wish to be blasted that way and knew it was a hurtful more than a factual headline, so I questioned HIS integrity. |
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Integrity, seems to be something we are losing in our quest for mere 'happiness'. i found this quote from Einstein and thought I would share,,, The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance, and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our lives. I thought of integrity when I read the Yahoo headline about Whitney Houston being snubbed. This woman came through so much and pulled herself together,,I wonder the type of person that would publically humiliate her that way and sleep well at night. Considering that morality is individual, how can you say that we are losing it, if you cannot judge anothers morality? Morality is living within your individual determination of what is right and wrong for you. Noone else can tell you what is moral for you. Perhaps my faith in human conscience is idealistic. I dont believe morals (right and wrong) are so subjective or diverse. I believe we mostly have a built in moral compass of right and wrong. I think what IS right has been largely overshadowed by what FEELS right. I would wager that the reporter of this story would not wish to be blasted that way and knew it was a hurtful more than a factual headline, so I questioned HIS integrity. You are still imposing your morality on others. I think that is most people's problem, they believe their morals should apply across the board and that is not correct. You can only determine a loss in morality for yourself in other words, not for others. |
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Integrity, seems to be something we are losing in our quest for mere 'happiness'. i found this quote from Einstein and thought I would share,,, The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance, and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our lives. I thought of integrity when I read the Yahoo headline about Whitney Houston being snubbed. This woman came through so much and pulled herself together,,I wonder the type of person that would publically humiliate her that way and sleep well at night. Considering that morality is individual, how can you say that we are losing it, if you cannot judge anothers morality? Morality is living within your individual determination of what is right and wrong for you. Noone else can tell you what is moral for you. Perhaps my faith in human conscience is idealistic. I dont believe morals (right and wrong) are so subjective or diverse. I believe we mostly have a built in moral compass of right and wrong. I think what IS right has been largely overshadowed by what FEELS right. I would wager that the reporter of this story would not wish to be blasted that way and knew it was a hurtful more than a factual headline, so I questioned HIS integrity. You are still imposing your morality on others. I think that is most people's problem, they believe their morals should apply across the board and that is not correct. You can only determine a loss in morality for yourself in other words, not for others. I am not imposing, just sharing my observations. If the term 'morals' is too 'subjective' to apply here than I can rephrase. People seem more and more to live lives where their ONLY concern is their own immediate happiness or compensation,,which reflects to me a decline in morals. |
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All this talk of morality and integrity really will get nowhere, as it's all opinion. However, I must pose a question to you all. Why is morality and integrity relative? Going by the logic of relativity in morality, then everything is moral, as long as one deems it so. There has to be some sort of defined morality for the word to actually be used. Someone could think that killing a person for no justified reason is moral. Some people could think revenge is moral. I know I'm grabbing at extremes here, but I'm trying to making a point. Talk of morality seems to be really cheap, as anyone can be moral so long as it's relative to a person. I think there needs to be a line.
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All this talk of morality and integrity really will get nowhere, as it's all opinion. However, I must pose a question to you all. Why is morality and integrity relative? Going by the logic of relativity in morality, then everything is moral, as long as one deems it so. There has to be some sort of defined morality for the word to actually be used. Someone could think that killing a person for no justified reason is moral. Some people could think revenge is moral. I know I'm grabbing at extremes here, but I'm trying to making a point. Talk of morality seems to be really cheap, as anyone can be moral so long as it's relative to a person. I think there needs to be a line. Well, words like morals,integrity, character, values,, could all be said to be subjective which would make all of them off limits to any real debate,,which is kind of sad. I believe all these words also have collective meanings that are not subjective. Remember, the english language is full of words with multiple meanings. I am debating the terms in their collective use. It does seem to be getting nowhere though...so I will sit back and watch if that changes anytime soon... |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out
every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior |
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Your generation created greed, our generation can only do so much to alleviate the problems created by generations before us. Don't lay it all on us or we simply won't fix the issue and let it soak in the depravity your generation created. 
Created greed? I don't know about your parents and what they ingrained in you, but I do know that lots in your generation expects everything to be handed to them and not have to work for anything...just so they can post it on myfacespacebook. Cause isn't that what's important? To be filmed doing stupid things and have their 15 minutes of fame. I mean you're nobody or praised unless you have a sex tape right? So many broken condoms, such a shame. Priorities and all. in a way i agree...generation x are without a moral compass and they can care less about how they treat their own generation, much less others...its a wasted generation Your generation created it... LOL He's in your generation. So it's everyone's fault and nobody should take responsibility for their own actions? Yes lets blame everybody else. 
Cuban missile crisis, Russian nuclear threat, first Iraq war, even Veitnam. Financial circus that arose from excessive spending in the 80's and continued spending well into the 90's (slightly alleviated by then President Bill Clinton), buying and selling with oversea countries and companies that started in the early 80's and continues still today. The health issues that arose from numerous threats being allowed into our own food supply that well tapped the health services requiring a complete overhaul with the current adminstration and well should have been overhauled with Bush, poverty at an all-time high due to jobs finding more secure areas to produce their goods (overseas) this started in the early 90's and continues today. Laugh at me all you want, I don't care if this country burns...I hope for it. nor a moral issue. To SAY you wish this country burns...... Is to have many other issues, but not that of integrity. And I feel ashamed of all of us, that we have LET YOU COME TO FEEL, in this belief or way... SEE this whole post contains all that we THINK, is the problems and WHAT NO ONE WANTS TO DO, is TAKE RESPONSIBILITY,,,,for WHY PEOPLE,,,,not an AGE, NOT a GENERATION, Not A male or female, WE AS A NATION,,,,, HAVE FALLEN IN ALL AREAS OF SELF RESPECT, and the RESPECT OUT-GOING for others...This Country's PRIDE in its self. The PRIDE in BEING an AMERICAN....all THIS HAS BEEN LEAVING many minds,,,,,and ITS OUR FAULT!!!!!!!! ALL OF US,,PEOPLE~ |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior I have a great fondness for you(people throw the word love around too much,,lol),, EXACTLY my feelings on the matter, thanx for getting it |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior That's pretty much it, captain. |
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All this talk of morality and integrity really will get nowhere, as it's all opinion. However, I must pose a question to you all. Why is morality and integrity relative? Going by the logic of relativity in morality, then everything is moral, as long as one deems it so. There has to be some sort of defined morality for the word to actually be used. Someone could think that killing a person for no justified reason is moral. Some people could think revenge is moral. I know I'm grabbing at extremes here, but I'm trying to making a point. Talk of morality seems to be really cheap, as anyone can be moral so long as it's relative to a person. I think there needs to be a line. Well, words like morals,integrity, character, values,, could all be said to be subjective which would make all of them off limits to any real debate,,which is kind of sad. I believe all these words also have collective meanings that are not subjective. Remember, the english language is full of words with multiple meanings. I am debating the terms in their collective use. It does seem to be getting nowhere though...so I will sit back and watch if that changes anytime soon... WE our AVOIDING OUR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS,,,,US as a WHOLE.... Some try, some don't, some just hate, and never will try.. HOW our children grow and SEE this world to be,,,,,,IS,,,,all of our issues and problems to care about,,,and it has been,,ALWAYS. Yet ALL WE DO IS POINT FINGERS,,,AWAY from US and make stories up as to WHY WE DIDN'T DO.... AND WE ALL DO NEED MORAL COMPASSES,,,and to SAY,,,whats NORMAL? Your difinition might not be that of others.... SEE......THATS THE PROBLEM! We our finding it easier each DAY to EXCEPT EVERYTHING and ANYTHING, as being NORMAL...... WE have BECOME a CIVILIZATION,,,of Cop-out excuses and money is the meaning and the way, so THAT has called us to all show our GREEDS to the points of only CARING ABOUT US...No-one else MATTERS.. THIS ,,,,,,will be, our distruction, to lose humanity. To be ANYPLACE anyone would want to live in,,or with, as we will just turn on all except ours,,,and even that,, will deterorate, |
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I feel that integrity is first learned behavior and then
becomes ingrained behavior. A large part of integrity is respect for yourself. Without self respect all else pales. With regard to Houston, let's hope that she doesn't take it personally . In regard to the media, that comes from being in the negative behavioral social atmosphere that is solely based on what they can derive from publicity. Money. |
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I feel that integrity is first learned behavior and then becomes ingrained behavior. A large part of integrity is respect for yourself. Without self respect all else pales. With regard to Houston, let's hope that she doesn't take it personally . In regard to the media, that comes from being in the negative behavioral social atmosphere that is solely based on what they can derive from publicity. Money. Quite on point, I agree completely. |
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You are still imposing your morality on others. I think that is most people's problem, they believe their morals should apply across the board and that is not correct.
But yet, your morals say that we should all pay more in taxes to take care of the " poor and downtrodden ". MY morals, however, tell me that I need to make sure I am taken care of first so that I may be better able to help others. You are trying to force your morals on a whole lot of people. How is this any different?? |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior Not true. For example: My morality says the death penalty is disgustingly immoral and shows a lack of integrity of any who support it. My morality and my judge of integrity. My morality states that hunting animals for sport is immoral and shows a lack of integrity. My morality and my judge of integrity. I find it disgustingly wasteful and showing a lack of respect for life. My morality says that an religious person who believes they deserve heaven over any other human on the planet has a superiority complex and is not moral. They show low integrity. They are equal but use a book to make themselves "appear" better. Etc..... My morality and integrity are way different from others. It is my morality and I will defend it. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 12/06/09 06:33 PM
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior Not true. For example: My morality says the death penalty is disgustingly immoral and shows a lack of integrity of any who support it. My morality and my judge of integrity. My morality states that hunting animals for sport is immoral and shows a lack of integrity. My morality and my judge of integrity. I find it disgustingly wasteful and showing a lack of respect for life. My morality says that an religious person who believes they deserve heaven over any other human on the planet has a superiority complex and is not moral. They show low integrity. They are equal but use a book to make themselves "appear" better. Etc..... My morality and integrity are way different from others. It is my morality and I will defend it. I think the equation that things and people have to be superior or inferior is a major flaw in your argument and your philosophies(just my opinion,,I think you are very bright). Its not all about being better than. As far as deserving heaven,,it is simple logic .... those who dont want to come to my home ,,wont come and those who do will make the effort. Doesnt make my non visitors any better or worse than my visitors. I dont see how this is taken as a sense of superiority. |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior Not true. For example: My morality says the death penalty is disgustingly immoral and shows a lack of integrity of any who support it. My morality and my judge of integrity. My morality states that hunting animals for sport is immoral and shows a lack of integrity. My morality and my judge of integrity. I find it disgustingly wasteful and showing a lack of respect for life. My morality says that an religious person who believes they deserve heaven over any other human on the planet has a superiority complex and is not moral. They show low integrity. They are equal but use a book to make themselves "appear" better. Etc..... My morality and integrity are way different from others. It is my morality and I will defend it. I think the equation that things and people have to be superior or inferior is a major flaw in your argument and your philosophies(just my opinion,,I think you are very bright). Its not all about being better than. As far as deserving heaven,,it is simple logic .... those who dont want to come to my home ,,wont come and those who do will make the effort. Doesnt make my non visitors any better or worse than my visitors. I dont see how this is taken as a sense of superiority. Of course you don't. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 12/06/09 06:37 PM
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior Not true. For example: My morality says the death penalty is disgustingly immoral and shows a lack of integrity of any who support it. My morality and my judge of integrity. My morality states that hunting animals for sport is immoral and shows a lack of integrity. My morality and my judge of integrity. I find it disgustingly wasteful and showing a lack of respect for life. My morality says that an religious person who believes they deserve heaven over any other human on the planet has a superiority complex and is not moral. They show low integrity. They are equal but use a book to make themselves "appear" better. Etc..... My morality and integrity are way different from others. It is my morality and I will defend it. I think the equation that things and people have to be superior or inferior is a major flaw in your argument and your philosophies(just my opinion,,I think you are very bright). Its not all about being better than. As far as deserving heaven,,it is simple logic .... those who dont want to come to my home ,,wont come and those who do will make the effort. Doesnt make my non visitors any better or worse than my visitors. I dont see how this is taken as a sense of superiority. Of course you don't. Of course I dont,,because I dont feel better or worse than anyone. But I think many non believers feel believers should feel less and many believers feel non believers should....that is not my philosophy though nor do I think it would be how God views the world. I cant say enough, if one does not believe God exists in the first place or that they need to follow his laws, than why should he be welcoming to them. Do we welcome those into our home who disregard us? ITs really not a matter of being worse or better , just being accepting or defiant. |
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integrity is when you do the right thing even if no one is watching and would never find out every one knows what is right and wrong and this "morality is relative" nonsense is just an excuse to rationalize and justify bad behavior Not true. For example: My morality says the death penalty is disgustingly immoral and shows a lack of integrity of any who support it. My morality and my judge of integrity. My morality states that hunting animals for sport is immoral and shows a lack of integrity. My morality and my judge of integrity. I find it disgustingly wasteful and showing a lack of respect for life. My morality says that an religious person who believes they deserve heaven over any other human on the planet has a superiority complex and is not moral. They show low integrity. They are equal but use a book to make themselves "appear" better. Etc..... My morality and integrity are way different from others. It is my morality and I will defend it. I think the equation that things and people have to be superior or inferior is a major flaw in your argument and your philosophies(just my opinion,,I think you are very bright). Its not all about being better than. As far as deserving heaven,,it is simple logic .... those who dont want to come to my home ,,wont come and those who do will make the effort. Doesnt make my non visitors any better or worse than my visitors. I dont see how this is taken as a sense of superiority. Of course you don't. Of course I dont,,because I dont feel better or worse than anyone. But I think many non believers feel believers should feel less and many believers feel non believers should....that is not my philosophy though nor do I think it would be how God views the world. I cant say enough, if one does not believe God exists in the first place or that they need to follow his laws, than why should he be welcoming to them. Do we welcome those into our home who disregard us? ITs really not a matter of being worse or better , just being accepting or defiant. LOL, sorry you are trying too hard here and not making your point. I will leave it, since people tend to get their feelings hurt when I take it there. You cannot get it unless you can step back from it and you will not be able to do that if you believe. So you will just have to have the affliction and hopefully not make too many people feel bad with it. |
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Let NO-ONE JUDGE THEE.............And I take life as we should ALL let the LORD do what he will as he's pretty good on the post.
WE believers or dis-believers in HIM,,,,should have no bases of reflections on a fellow stranger or someone we have first met.. AS if WE TRY to be THAT GODLY,,,,,we will hurt far MORE the ones we could have HELPED.. save... It seems we all still want to engage in an off topic form as to staying on the op's questions content..me included,,,as I wish this world was NOT SO divided by others reasons to SEPERATE US FROM EACH OTHERS HEARTS...WHEN can HATE,,,,,go away? And we see everyone through the actions of their hearts and mind,,,not their color, religion, or race..and Gender... 
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Let NO-ONE JUDGE THEE.............And I take life as we should ALL let the LORD do what he will as he's pretty good on the post. WE believers or dis-believers in HIM,,,,should have no bases of reflections on a fellow stranger or someone we have first met.. AS if WE TRY to be THAT GODLY,,,,,we will hurt far MORE the ones we could have HELPED.. save... It seems we all still want to engage in an off topic form as to staying on the op's questions content..me included,,,as I wish this world was NOT SO divided by others reasons to SEPERATE US FROM EACH OTHERS HEARTS...WHEN can HATE,,,,,go away? And we see everyone through the actions of their hearts and mind,,,not their color, religion, or race..and Gender...
I agree. |
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