The idea a generation created greed or any other plague that goes back thousands of years is just crazy! Society continues to degrade morally year after year. It is not one generation or the next it is just the progression of things! We now live in a society "America" that kills about 1.4 million babies each year. About one abortion every 20 seconds! About half of the American public say this is okay killing so many children. 43% of american women will have an abortion about 20% of American women will have more than one abortion! About 84% of all abortions are from families making less than 60k a year. 93% of all abortions are because of unwanted pregnancy, "conveinence". Abortion is the leading cause of death in America! Heart disease comes in at a distant second with 631,000. there are about 3.8 million deaths in America annually, abortion represents over one third of all deaths in America. We no longer bury dead babies they get wheeled out in a trash can and are consider non entities! This is the great Sin of this country! All things pale in comparison to those factual numbers people refuse to except are real! They are not real babies people say, check the trash can and look they are real alright and a complete discrace of the American culture!

What has she done recently that would be cause to put a halt to the perceived snub??

She hasn't, to my knowledge, released an album in many years. She spent many of the last years as a crack addict. Her life has basically been a complete trainwreck.

Should she be rewarded now that she has seemed to clean herself up??

I don't find her being " snubbed " any more tacky or lower in integrity than Michael Jackson getting nominated for a bunch of awards based only on the fact that he died.

If he was still alive, he would still be the standing joke that he became before his death.

wow, well the fact that she wasnt awarded wasnt what I was disgusted by,, it was the choice of HEADLINE, the insensitivity of it and unnecessary cruelness, just to say she hasnt had a nomination would have been more about the facts and less about being a jerk of a reporter.

As far as Michael, I know of noone alive and recording right now that could have been nominated in those genres who could have deserved it more, if the rewards were based upon musical talents and contributions,,which I believe they were.

Well said, Kitty.

I never saw the headline you are referring to, so I can't comment on how much of a " jerk " the reporter may have been.

As far as Michael...

Do you seriously think that if Michael hadn't died, they would have bothered to nominate him for anything?? It would not have mattered one bit how talented he was if he was still alive.

actually, considering the tour he was launching and the new releases of several cds,,I do think he would have been nominated had he lived.

What was the headline?

I don't think he would have been nominated if he had lived... His tour wasn't even here, it was a few shows in London...

Nominees were selected from data supplied by The Nielsen Company's Broadcast Data Systems, which monitors radio airplay performance, and Soundscan, which tracks retail music sales. Online voting will take place, beginning today at ama.abc.com as well as amavote.com and mycokerewards.com.

His sales and airplay were up enough to be nominated,,whatever the reason may have been, and then the public voted in his win.

Whitney Houston is disgusting self absorbed junky that put her poor children through madness and squandered her gift of voice. I don't think she deserves any kind of award after what she basiclly bragged about on Oprah.

Every generation has it's selfish do nothings and spectacular people. All the doom and gloom is just people knowing more about what kids do versus what was hushed up before.

I disagree. I believe she came through quite a bit and is a better person now. I think she deserves as much a chance as anyone else,, she has worked for it.

But that is just my opinion,of course.

And I perhaps he would have received nominations but he sure wasn't the icon in America that he used to be so him winning would have been questionable... but that is my opinion I am not a music industry expert...

As far as Whitney goes, it is a sad shame what she did to herself... I think it's great that she pulled herself out of it and finally dumped that piece of **** husband of hers BUT her voice is gone and it was once one of the most wonderful voices out there...

Absolutely do I agree with this statement. I was raised with the knowledge either you had integrity, honor, respect or you didn't this wasn't something that could be compromised.

I don't think this has anything to do with any said generation. I think it is up to the individual to decide whether they want to walk the walk of integrity or not.

I know a while back I forgot the word in my personal life and paid a huge price with friends and etc. The biggest price was my self-respect. Took me a long time to get it back, now as I say on my profile, I remind myself each and everyday what this word means to me.

I also believe it is a personal word, I don't think any two people will have it mean exactly the same thing.

As fas as Micheal Jackson or any other celebrity, either they have it nor they don't. I think alot of celebrities start to believe their own hype and believe everyday rules don't apply to them. We read about it each and everyday someone did this to someone or someone is going to do this to someone.

I frankly don't care if someone wins a grammy, oscar, tony award or not anymore there was a time these awards went to the person that actually worked for them in my opinion I haven't seen that for years.

As far as some reporter making a rude comment oh well we as society gave the media permission to do this since that is what sells.



Good thread.

it's the generation after mine that got all screwed up because that's the generation that started the whole "you can't spank your kids" crap

The proper retort to this is this:

10 years' worth of good decisions cannot do anything, even if the decisions are good, because it would only be able to right the old wrong decisions if the world was patiently waiting, stagnantly, for us to patch things up. The world does not wait, and the good decisions become simply decisions. The world grows faster, its complexity, than our comprehension, and any decision is simply just a decision. Only the future can tell if it's going to be good or bad, and the future is not extant in the present.

There were very-very few bad decisions in history. Even the early movement of Hitler's Nazis got their country out of the financial dumps, and actually helped the whole world's economy. It gave us insight into how extreme financial depressions can be avoided with governments' pumping make-work projects into the economy.

There were very few good decisions in history. Sooner or later all decisions will be decried, even the start of the Viet Nam war by Kennedy, even Reagonomics, even shooting a man up to the moon.

Unfortunately we, as humans, in today's world, can only make decisions. Good or bad, it's impossible to tell that ahead of time.

The word integrity is derived from the Latin 'integer' which means whole, complete. I wrote in my profile it's the most important trait I look for in a man. It's about being honest to yourself, about who you are and how you tick. It's standing up for what you believe in, even when everyone else around you has a different opinion and you know you're going to take your lumps. It's not being afraid to be who you are, both good and bad, and not conforming just to fit in. Too many people are fake these days, and live a very hypocritical life. Integrity is sorely missing in this generation enamored by instant gratification.

Alright....couple of things to clarify here.......

(by no means am I busting your chops Harmony....I love you Baby)

Einstien boned his own damned flesh and blood cousin.
Whitney Houston did not revieve some award.....neither did 99.9999999999999999999% of the other people in her industry (I am sure they think thet deserved accolades too.

What do either of those cokeheads have to do with Integrity?

When I saw the thread topic I thought "Ooooooooh a good deep subject"........uuuuuuhhhhhhhhh no.

How greed is being associated with a moral issue and being allocated to a modern generation.....(well, I won't clarify cause it would probably just be insulting to some of my friends here)

There was greed before the day when one chimpanzee...saw another chimpanzee eating a bannanna and thought "I WANT THAT F'NG BANNANNA!"

Just my thoughts....continue this debate....I am gonna go surf for midget porn.

First, thanx for the love.

Second, I want to clarify again that I NEVER allocated greed or integrity with any generation,,that was a different post from a different person.

And C (just putting a little joke in there for those educated in proper grammar) I wasnt actually posting about the integrity of Einstein or Whitney. I was simply using Einstein's quote as a basic explanation of how I view integrity and making a comment about how I found the choice of words in the headline of Whitneys story to be unnecessarily insensitive and lacking human or journalistic integrity.

Considering that morality is individual, how can you say that we are losing it, if you cannot judge anothers morality?

Morality is living within your individual determination of what is right and wrong for you. Noone else can tell you what is moral for you.