President Obama supports an immigration bill similar to this one.
Don't get too upset yet. It won't be until May.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/i/BushImmiReform.htm

Major provisions of S.1348, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, are:
12-15 Million Current Illegal Immigrants

Immediately receive a 4-year, renewable “Z” visa, and probationary legal status. To renew a “Z” visa, applicants must pass an English proficiency test.

Illegal immigrants with “Z” visa may register as lawful permanent U.S. resident (i.e. receive green cards) once they pay $5,000 in fines plus $2,000 in processing fees and pass a background check. Head of household must also return to the family’s home country, and may then reenter the U.S.

Processing of green cards for “Z” visa holders will take place only after the current 8-year backlog of legal applicants is completed.

Most undocumented farmworkers would immediately receive green cards.

Guest Worker Program

Creates a program for 600,000 low-skilled, low-paid temporary workers who will be issued 2-year “Y” visas, renewable for 3 2-year periods.

Workers must return to their home country for 1 year between “Y” visa renewable periods.

Workers bringing dependents may only obtain 1, non-renewable “Y” visa. Dependents may enter the U.S. only if they show proof of medical insurance.

Workplace Enforcement

Requires U.S. employers to verify all employees’ Social Security, green card or other ID number through a federal electronic clearing system.

Increases penalties for illegal employment and for inadequate employee record-keeping.

New Immigrants after January 1, 2007

New visas will be capped at 380,000, and issued based on a point system that favors work skills and advanced education over family unification.

Preference will be given to highly skilled workers such as scientists, medical experts and computer specialists.

Only spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and permanent residents would be eligible for visas. Adult children and siblings would no longer be eligible.

Caps will be significantly lowered to 40,000 annually for U.S. citizens only to bring foreign-born parents to the U.S.

The above bill was written by Senator Kennedy and Senator McCain.
It had widespread American support.
It failed, but just barely.

It is not total Amnesty.
No matter what the Obama haters say.
In fact it wasn't even his bill.

OK, since none else will, I'll bite.

My very first question.

Illegal Immigrants/Undocumented.

Please, answer directly.

How will they provide proof of who they are if the ID they have is stolen from someone else or, they have, as undocumented translates to having no documentation as to who they are?

Simpler;
How will an undocumented prove who they are?

The same way you will tell they are undocumented when you arrest and deport them.

Or do you propose to deport anyone who is latino?

Legals, Citizens and Americans are required to carry ID.

Illegals/undocumented either have no ID or stolen ID.

Again, how do Illegals/undocumented, when applying for this amnesty, prove who they are?

Simple question, no?

So, you see this question as nonsense, hateful and BS?
Again, how do Illegals/undocumented, when applying for this amnesty, prove who they are?


As I said before and will always stand by;
I am Pro-America, Pro-American worker and Pro-Legal Immigrant/Temporary Worker.

Hussein, Pelosi and Napalotino(sp) have done all they can to virtually stop all investigation of workplace infractions. They are the criminals now. They are harboring the Illegal.

All and I mean all who are Pro-Illegal, are Anti-America, Anti-American worker and Anti-Legal Immigrant worker.

I say and I will pray Patriotic Americans fight any kind of amnesty and run the Pro-Illegal/Anti-Americans out on a rail also.

I guess to you all 12 million illegals entered this country within the last 11 months.

I guess to you Bush sr didn't give total amnesty to over 6 million illegals while he was President.

No to you it's all Hussein's (bigot name calling) fault.

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Keep it civil, or the thread will be locked without further notice.

Be well,

Lori
Lead Moderator for Mingle2

We tried this amnesty crap 20 some odd years ago. That was supposed to "fix" the problem of illegal immigrants. It "fixed" the problem so well that we have to "fix" the problem again. Why make new laws or pass new bills when we don't enforce the laws that are already in place.

What program has the government ever run successfully?

Calling an illegal immigrant an undocumented worker is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist.

I would imagine the undocumenteds would have to provide come documentation from their own country to identify them. Just like if I snuck into Britain, I would have no documentation that I was a british citizen(because Im not) but I could apply for a visa by showing identification from wherever my home actually is. If they dont wish to comply with that, I would imagine it would be immediate deportation.

My wife, we're separated, is one of those who fell into the last amnesty. She quit the job she had as an Illegal. Another Illegal took her place.

All the last amnesty did was create a demand for more Illegals. Another one will create the same demand. Companies who use Illegals don't want Legal Workers.

We have great Immigration Laws already on the books. They just need to be enforced.

The cost to deport will be recouped in less than a year. In taxes paid by forcing companies to hire Americans and/or Legal Immigrants.

The Feds could also enforce the Law regarding ID and SSN's.
After the ones who are arrested and serve their time for possession of other folk's ID's, then deport them.

I am very familiar with Mexico, their Laws and customs. Undocumented means, no papers. The only way a Mexican can get their papers, Birth Certificates, pass the criminal background check, health exam, etc., is to do that in Mexico. It can't be done here.

What happens in the courts is, they get reviewed and given a date to report for deportation. They get out of court, move somewhere else and buy a new set of ID. Makes no sense to me. They should detain and deport them while they have them.

That's why part of the bill is for border security.
Much of that has been completed.
The bill also calls for increased fines and penalties to employers caught hiring the illegals and a system of verification if the workers they hire try to use false documents.

It' was a good bill. It had plenty of support from the population and almost passed. The main reason for its failure was the unsecured border.
They had a list of progress needed in that area. Like I said most of that has been completed now.

If they were going to enforce workplace law, they would be doing it now. Enforcement in Bush's reign dropped by some 50% than previous years. Since Hussein came into office, there has only been one raid.

Look it up, Hussein is da' name.

Does that mean there are no Illegals working Illegally? Or, does that mean the Laws aren't being enforced?

LMAO
That's what we need. Spend billions in work force enforcment and court costs just to fine the employers a $150 dollar for each illegal.
Just to have the illegal get a new ID and walk back across our unenforced border.
Yeah, that's what we need.

Nope,
We need immigration reform.
We need to quit wasting money on a problem that does nothing.
Employers save millions by hiring the illegals.
Do you really think they mind the small fine for the violation?

That's why the fines and penalties need to be much stiffer.

The ones we have now are a joke.

Doesn't anyone even read the OP anymore?
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Illegal immigrants with “Z” visa may register as lawful permanent U.S. resident (i.e. receive green cards) once they pay $5,000 in fines plus $2,000 in processing fees and pass a background check. Head of household must also return to the family’s home country, and may then reenter the U.S.

Processing of green cards for “Z” visa holders will take place only after the current 8-year backlog of legal applicants is completed.

Most undocumented farmworkers would immediately receive green cards.

Guest Worker Program

Creates a program for 600,000 low-skilled, low-paid temporary workers who will be issued 2-year “Y” visas, renewable for 3 2-year periods.

Workers must return to their home country for 1 year between “Y” visa renewable periods.

Workers bringing dependents may only obtain 1, non-renewable “Y” visa. Dependents may enter the U.S. only if they show proof of medical insurance.

Workplace Enforcement

Requires U.S. employers to verify all employees’ Social Security, green card or other ID number through a federal electronic clearing system.

Increases penalties for illegal employment and for inadequate employee record-keeping.
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At least read the last line.

Most undocumented farmworkers would immediately receive green cards. What will they say when asked if they have any ID to prove who they are? Or will they just be allowed to fill in the name with whichever they choose? Remember, they didn't bring documentation.

Guest Worker ProgramThere are already millions of Mexican residents, in Mexico who are waiting to have their turn. The Illegal has stolen this from them. Remember again, Amnesty only creates a demand for more Illegals. Unscrupulous/Law-breaking Employers who hire the invader, don't want workers with rights. Cuts into their bottom line.

Workplace Enforcement This one is already on the books. Not only can the company be fined DHS has at it's disposal and chooses not to use, the means to prosecute the management for not verifying potential employers. By Law, flagged or suspicious ID is supposed to be reported to DHS. Not reporting is a Fed. Felony.

Requires U.S. employers to verify all employees’ Social Security, green card or other ID number through a federal electronic clearing system. There again. Already on the books. Just being ignored by the Employer who hires the Illegal, Hussein, Pelosi and Napatalino.

Increases penalties for illegal employment and for inadequate employee record-keeping.This can be done without granting Amnesty.]

Increases penalties for illegal employment and for inadequate employee record-keeping.This can be done without granting Amnesty.

It didn't pass by a small margin the last time. As Patriotic unemployed Americans wake up to the fact that Hussein, Pelosi, and Napatalino are pushing to take away more jobs, this bill will fail by a bigger margin.

Support www.numbersusa.com, http://www.fairus.org, www.alipac, http://www.nvets.org/keyissues.html and any other Pro-American and Pro-Legal Immigrant groups to stop this BS Bill permanently.

Well, its true. Neither has gone through the LEGALLY established channels to do what they are doing. The crime isnt what they are doing but how they are going about doing it.