I don't think you can do much about the ones already here. That toothpaste is out of the tube

but we can secure our borders, maybe only just to the extent that Mexico does theirs?

and we have to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico. The Mexican government says 75% of all weapons seized in their country are traceable to American gun dealers

All that would have to be done to get the Illegals packin' is DHS to raid the other Tyson plants and other processing plants.

Late last year, Tyson gave up a token plant so, DHS could show they were doing Law Enforcement.

DHS knows where the Illegals work. They could make a real effort to raid those companies.

The more raids, and criminal prosecutions, the less likely companies will be to rehire Illegals.

The Illegal will see there is nowhere DHS won't go to find them, the more likely they will head back south or to Canada.

Maybe, they could use some more cheap labor in Dubai??

We have to stop companies from hiring illegals, period.

All other lies and crapola is irrelavant if the employers continue to hire illegals.

We can do amnesty or whatever and if the companies still hire illegals over legals we will have the same problem again and again.

The OP looks good for solving the problems with those already here but if they don't stop employers from hiring illegals there will be the same problem after this bill.

Yes! You get it!!

It was in there Dragoness. Part of it was increased fines and requireing SSN verification from employers.
I didnt paste the whole 2007 bill.

I was in support of the Bill, and you know I wouldn't have supported it if it didnt do something solid about illegal immigration.

Part of the reason it didnt pass was because they wanted time to work on border security improvements.

Obama wont even bring illegal immigration reform back up for debate until May 2010.
I'm sure there will be revisions.

Well and it needs to be more than just "written in there" you know like our existing laws.

they need to bring back the bracero (work permit) program

cause there is a need for the mexican labor. it just needs to be codified into a legitimate process

The "Z" and "Y" visas coupled with the current H1 work visas would have more than take care of that.

The bill I posted is the 2007 Bill that Kennedy and McCain coauthored, but it is what the Obama Administration talks about using as a starting point when they begin talking about immigration reform in the Spring.

It will be interesting to see what is put together then, but it should be real close to the same.

I have to change my stance on Illegals working.
Don't give 'em amnesty. Just pretend they aren't here.

American and legal workers here, have priced themselves out of the market.

A friend just got done with a project.

Under a house, he/they, dug out, 8' of dirt, caliche, and rock. They dug out an area of 20' x 20'. Jackhammer 2 Illegals and a wheel barrow. He paid them each $40.00 a day, lunch and a 16oz beer each at 3:00 and another at 4:30 when they broke for the day. Worked them 8 hours a day.

The part of the project they helped him with, including hand mixing, pouring and finishing a 20'x20'x3" cement floor took all of 2 weeks. He wound up paying them just under $1,000.00. They agreed to work at that rate, in writing and filled out a W9, subcontracting form.

The lowest American estimate was $8,000.00.

My friend was very happy with the job.

Capitalism works.

It works best for those setting the wages and prices, not for those working to earn them.

the Border Patrol guys I've talked to lately say they are seeing a trend of more Mexicans headed south going home. They can't find work right now and the cost of living is MUCH cheaper in Mexico

This is in Del Rio.
Cain't get any farther south.
It's like El Paso. The border patrol lets Illegals that have been passing for years on through. They know they aren't going any farther than to town. They also allow Illegal kids to pass to go to school. The border towns aren't like the rest of the U S. The U S town and their sister city in Mexico make their own rules.

You right! And when American workers learn to lower their expectations, they will get the work.

A few months back, I wrote a letter to Hussein.
I suggested, because of the high competition for the few jobs there are, that he abolish Minimum wage and allow people to bid how much they would be willing to work a job.

Sounds reasonable. The lowest bid, matching the highest qualifications, should be awarded the job.

Everybody wins.

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I don't hate Obama at all hes much better than most of the others who think they are competent people . I do feel that any one who supports making the criminals legal are the scum of the world and need shot .now you all have a good day and i hope you come around to under stand what you are doing to your future family . the truth is you probably don't care any more for them than you do for yourselves now . welcome to the 3 world morons . I vote to send wmd's to the drug dealers in mexico

I disagree, that allows the rich to remain rich and the struggle to continue struggling. I was taught I only get as much respect as I demand and the same is true of wages. People who are used to having less will take less, that does nothing to solve the problems of poverty and the inequality that comes with it. Settling is not an option that leads to progress.

Would the way to have true equality in the workplace be to accept Communism?

I'm going to have to go with the Libs and Hussein on this one. Screw the American worker.

Illegals may not do the quality Americans do but,the difference in cost well makes up for the quality they lack.

Depends upon whose definition of Communism we use....

A system that would allow everyone a living wage regardless of their specific job title , would be a nice start. A system that would allow student loans to be repayable upon EMPLOYMENT and taken like a tax each week, so people unemployed or underemployed would not find themself in so much debt. A system that required people to give back and not just take,....these would all be nice

I particularly like a certain system in the Netherlands, where there is a cap at which everyone must employ someone else to do something. Not such a huge disparity between the haves and have nots that way and people seem to have much more pride in their work,,whatever it is.

Bartering systems worked well too. Food and shelter directly given for services or goods instead of some monetary measure that is dispersed so unevenly and unjustly.


From each according to ability and to each according to need,,,nice motto for a government if it could be implemented. Basic needs should never be unavailable to anyone in a country this wealthy. But that is perhaps my unintelligent idealism speaking again...

Minimum wage, I presumed, was a living wage otherwise our leaders would set a scale that folks could actually survive.

Until we go Commie, I'll have to do as I stated earlier;

I'm going to have to go with the Libs and Hussein on this one. Screw the American worker.

Illegals may not do the quality Americans do but,the difference in cost well makes up for the quality they lack.

It always just seem so to get me so mad that racism still exists in America.This great country was made by immigrants and I sometimes wonder why so many people have forgotten this.I've said this before,and I'll say it again,PEOPLE JUST WANT TO LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.For one second think about others,instead of yourself,if more people would do this the World would be a better place.....

trib, I do think about others,, like my husband and others who bothered to follow the LAW and go through the process to live the american dream and still didnt meet certain requirements that others arent even being asked to meet. The law should be applied fairly,,everyone coming wants the american dream, that is no reason to ignore the requirements that everyone else is made to follow.