Oh gosh way way off. The only thing I can agree with is things are more graphic. Back then, I said 30 yrs ago how that makes it sound like the stone age, only you know that answer. haha Years ago we didn't have the internet and cable tv. There is so much more on the new and television. kids are more exposed than ever. When anyone gets online what's the first thing they see? NEWS, shootings, robberies, war, you name it. How is that not being exposed? We did not have that years ago.

We agree to disagree. You may not be saying my daughter and kids her age are stupid, but your words come out that way. I can tell you from what she said, telling you that she is not stupid. I read YOUR post to her and that was HER response.

Kids know more than people give them credit for. They know right from wrong. Frans posts on the scenarios is a perfect example that some kids are just plain bad and yes they surely know what the did was wrong. They need to be held accountable.

Well said. And very true. Of course, since many people, adults included don't understand how that meat gets to ones supermarket, its sad to realize they may not understand dead.

Regarding the 8 year old who killed his dad and the gf, if I recall from reading at the time, dad had bought him that gun for hunting. Most definately then, a kid that young knows the difference between dead and alive, if he's got his own gun for hunting.

Personally, I'm all for putting anyone and everyone down. We certainly do it fast enough for "vicious" dogs and other animals without squawking about rehab. Maybe if parents realized their childrens lives depended on what they taught their kids, they'd do a better job and stop with the "keeping my kid innocent" BS that's running rampant.

Umm, Im going with the case by case answer. all children are not the same and do not have the same awareness and even then , they are still children who we are supposed to be teaching and giving the chance to grow into responsible adults.

Our current culture kind of confuses me at times, We protect kids when it comes to sex ( men are still imprisoned for having sex with children right?). In THOSE cases we say the kids dont know enough to realize what they consent to. But when kids HURT others we say they know all too well what they do. I think the inconsistency in our cultural values must be quite an obstacle for our children to overcome.

Actually usually they are not transferred to and adult facility and are discharged and their juvinile records are sealed so that noone has a clue about their "problems" that lead up to the crime or developed since.

As adults they can refuse treatment even if they desperately need it and will become violent without it.

My feeling is you do the time you do the crime. Yes there should be segregated facilities but many of these kids have problems that the mediocre to non-existent counseling they are suppose to get does nothing. They are just simply older, bigger, stronger, and frequently more disturbed. They certainly don't fear incarceration after juvinile theraputic treatment. They think it is going to be more of the same. Some don't care if it is worse.

wasn't actually but I'm sure you are aware that its an expression easily replaced with gee or any other nondescript expression used at the beginning of a statement...

They will be charged as adults as they have committed adult crimes, but my understanding is that they will serve time in a juvenile detention center. When they reach a certain age they are transfered and live w/adult inmates til the completion of their sentencing.