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| Topic: SHOULD KIDS BE CHARGED AS ADULTS - WHAT'S YOUR OPINION | |
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I'm going with number 2 on this. They are children, not adults. I don't think we(society)should lock up children and throw away the key. There is always hope. I actually lean towards #2, as well. I think every case is different tho - no absolutes. I agree with that there are no absolutes, but personally feel the punishment should fit the crime. So, an eye for an eye then? Now that's fishing  , I said and stand by that the punishment should fit the crime. Never said a rapist should be raped, a murderer should be murdered, etc. I would agree if most of our laws fit the crime but we both know unfortunately that they don't. Ex: gun possession,drugs,hate crime Saying that most of these sentences are alot harsher than others, so thats needs to be fixed first (p.s sorry for all spelling errors bc I'm not going to check,lol) |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me.
#1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. despicable and very sad...  
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In these 2 scenarios - what do you think?
Should they be tried as adults? Do you believe they knew what they were doing was wrong? |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. how about that 9yr old in Arizona that shot his father and his father's roomate with a rifle when he was 8yrs old and proceeded to call 911. Should he be convicted as an adult? |
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. how about that 9yr old in Arizona that shot his father and his father's roomate with a rifle when he was 8yrs old and proceeded to call 911. Should he be convicted as an adult? send me link - give me more info and I will truthfully answer you. Don't know about this case. |
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Edited by
franshade
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Thu 10/15/09 10:50 AM
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty.
http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. |
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Edited by
look4you
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Thu 10/15/09 10:54 AM
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These two are pretty recent crimes committed by children in Florida and I have followed the cases as they truly shocked the heck outta me. #1 - approx 10 kids under 18 enter a house, with weapons, repeated sexually abuse the mother, beat both mother and son, had mother perform sexual acts on her son, doused both with chemicals to remove their DNA. #2 - a group of about 5 kids, set another kid on fire. Doused kid with flammable liquid, set kid on fire and watched him run while on fire. how about that 9yr old in Arizona that shot his father and his father's roomate with a rifle when he was 8yrs old and proceeded to call 911. Should he be convicted as an adult? send me link - give me more info and I will truthfully answer you. Don't know about this case. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/19/national/main4813472.shtml |
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty. http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. How could you say that? 1st he was 9 and 2nd the police forced a confession out of him What does he know at 9...really? |
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty. http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. How could you say that? 1st he was 9 and 2nd the police forced a confession out of him What does he know at 9...really? He was 8 and he premeditated the death of his father. As to police forcing a confession out of him that is not mentioned on article I found, his own mother was against the plea deal. At 9 yrs of age, one knows if one takes a gun and aims at another person and pulls trigger, that the little bullet inside the gun has the potential to take the others life. Kids are not as innocent nor ignorant as one would like to believe they are. They may not know as much as adults, but just how much does a person need to know to make them responsible for their actions? |
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I would be interested in finding out what was going on with this 8 year old boy and his father...and a big fat NO on locking an 8 year old child up for life!
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I would be interested in finding out what was going on with this 8 year old boy and his father...and a big fat NO on locking an 8 year old child up for life! No worries, that's not gonna happen. Under a plea agreement, two charges of premeditated murder for the deaths of the father and the roommate were dropped. Police said the boy used a .22-caliber rifle to shoot the men as they returned home from work. The boy's plea spares the rural community of about 4,000 from what would have been an emotional trial and prevents the boy from serving time in the state juvenile corrections system or being tried as an adult. The boy has not yet been sentenced. He could be sent to the county juvenile system, which would keep him close to his relatives. |
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Just found article on 8yr old, who plead guilty. http://kdka.com/topstories/arizona.boy.shooting.2.939046.html Yes, I'd want to charge him as an adult and would want the punishment to fit the crime. But that wont happen as the state and child have cut a deal. How could you say that? 1st he was 9 and 2nd the police forced a confession out of him What does he know at 9...really? He was 8 and he premeditated the death of his father. As to police forcing a confession out of him that is not mentioned on article I found, his own mother was against the plea deal. At 9 yrs of age, one knows if one takes a gun and aims at another person and pulls trigger, that the little bullet inside the gun has the potential to take the others life. Kids are not as innocent nor ignorant as one would like to believe they are. They may not know as much as adults, but just how much does a person need to know to make them responsible for their actions? Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... |
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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? |
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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? Yes, there should be a punishment but what it should be is the real question. To throw the key away for life or for even 20-25yrs...I think not. The child needs help and jail or J.V isnt the answer for someone that is 8 or 9yrs old. But, adults usually think things thru unless they are drunk or drugged up but even at that point they should know the consequences of their actions opposed to a child state of mind. |
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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? Yes, there should be a punishment but what it should be is the real question. To throw the key away for life or for even 20-25yrs...I think not. The child needs help and jail or J.V isnt the answer for someone that is 8 or 9yrs old. But, adults usually think things thru unless they are drunk or drugged up but even at that point they should know the consequences of their actions opposed to a child state of mind. What do you think is the proper punishment for this child? Adults dont think things through all the time, most actions are spontaneous or in the heat of the moment, and yes some are rationalized, methodically thought out and premeditated. |
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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? Yes, there should be a punishment but what it should be is the real question. To throw the key away for life or for even 20-25yrs...I think not. The child needs help and jail or J.V isnt the answer for someone that is 8 or 9yrs old. But, adults usually think things thru unless they are drunk or drugged up but even at that point they should know the consequences of their actions opposed to a child state of mind. What do you think is the proper punishment for this child? Adults dont think things through all the time, most actions are spontaneous or in the heat of the moment, and yes some are rationalized, methodically thought out and premeditated. Honestly...IDK :( It's a tough question to put out there so I would say that there isn't a right answer or at least a good enough one that everyone will agree with :) |
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Yeah, I agree that the 8yr old would know that the "little gun" with the "little bullets" could hurt someone BUT I doubt that he would know if he could kill somebody. Did he realize that IF or when caught that he wouldnt see mommy again or it was probably bc his dad said that you cant watch t.v after dinner and he got mad. Really, the mentality is totally different... I too doubt he'd know if he could kill someone, but fact is that he did. Hell I question myself, would I be able to take a life and I'm grown? Do adults have to think that far ahead when they commit crimes, if or when they get caught would they see family members? Granted I agree children and adults have different mentalities, but should that excuse/forgive the heinous crime? Yes, there should be a punishment but what it should be is the real question. To throw the key away for life or for even 20-25yrs...I think not. The child needs help and jail or J.V isnt the answer for someone that is 8 or 9yrs old. But, adults usually think things thru unless they are drunk or drugged up but even at that point they should know the consequences of their actions opposed to a child state of mind. What do you think is the proper punishment for this child? Adults dont think things through all the time, most actions are spontaneous or in the heat of the moment, and yes some are rationalized, methodically thought out and premeditated. Honestly...IDK :( It's a tough question to put out there so I would say that there isn't a right answer or at least a good enough one that everyone will agree with :) now do you really believe any response will be good enough for everyone to agree with... 
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