Its different here in Vegas, cops can pretty much shoot you for sneezing without repurcussion. This still hasnt done much to deter crimes though.

the cops are not a fraid of any of the gangs out there . they have a lic. to kill in there pocket .

I did too when I first got here. Apparently, all that is required is for the cop to have REASON to consider you a threat. After they shoot you, there is really noone to dispute if the reason was valid. They have literally shot ( and subsequently killed)someone who ran just to SUBDUE them,, not talking a dart or a tranquilizer,and Im not talking about a runner who was armed,,,,Vegas is VERY lenient about cop shootings

Although I know you meant well. How would you like to have someone's "family structure" imposed on you? I get to pick whose family structure it is too like you are here.

The problem stems from societies of people that are in poverty for many generations and have a struggle getting out of it. Government help programs do some good but not the majority of the time.


Poverty breeds all kinds of social ills. It doesn't matter the color of your skin, poverty does the same thing to each and every one.

Stricter policing still doesn't seem to do what needs to be done either.

Although policing is needed regardless but the police feel overwhelmed.

It is like a catch 22. As long as there are poverty riddled areas there will be high crime areas and the more the public and police judge them and treat them as animals the worse they get.

Not saying the policing and stricter rules should not be done but it really never changes anything.

A new approach needs to happen.

This article from your link is from the FBI website. Doesn't that mean that the FBI is involved?

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THE MS-13 THREAT
A National Assessment
01/14/08

Member of MS-13

They perpetrate violence—from assaults to homicides, using firearms, machetes, or blunt objects—to intimidate rival gangs, law enforcement, and the general public. They often target middle and high school students for recruitment. And they form tenuous alliances...and sometimes vicious rivalries...with other criminal groups, depending on their needs at the time.

Who are they? Members of Mara Salvatrucha, better known as MS-13, who are mostly Salvadoran nationals or first generation Salvadoran-Americans, but also Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and other Central and South American immigrants. And according to our recent national threat assessment of this growing, mobile street gang, they could be operating in your community...now or in the near future.

Based on information from our own investigations, from our state and local law enforcement partners, and from community organizations, we’ve concluded that while the threat posed by MS-13 to the U.S. as a whole is at the "medium" level, membership in parts of the country is so concentrated that we've labeled the threat level there "high."

Here are some other highlights from our threat assessment:

MS-13 operates in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia and has about 6,000-10,000 members nationwide. Currently, the threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country, which coincides with elevated Salvadoran immigrant populations in those areas. In the southeast and central regions, the current threat is moderate to low, but recently, we've seen an influx of MS-13 members into the southeast, causing an increase in violent crimes there.
For More Information

- Going Global on MS-13
- MS-13 Up Close
- FBI Violent Gangs Website

MS-13 members engage in a wide range of criminal activity, including drug distribution, murder, rape, prostitution, robbery, home invasions, immigration offenses, kidnapping, carjackings/auto thefts, and vandalism. Most of these crimes, you'll notice, have one thing in common—they are exceedingly violent. And while most of the violence is directed toward other MS-13 members or rival street gangs, innocent citizens often get caught in the crossfire.

MS-13 is expanding its membership at a "moderate" rate through recruitment and migration. Some MS-13 members move to get jobs or to be near family members—currently, the southeast and the northeast are seeing the largest increases in membership. MS-13 often recruits new members by glorifying the gang lifestyle (often on the Internet, complete with pictures and videos) and by absorbing smaller gangs.

Speaking of employment, MS-13 members typically work for legitimate businesses by presenting false documentation. They primarily pick employers that don't scrutinize employment documents, especially in the construction, restaurant, delivery service, and landscaping industries.

Right now, MS-13 has no official national leadership structure. MS-13 originated in Los Angeles, but when members migrated eastward, they began forming cliques that for the most part operated independently. These cliques, though, often maintain regular contact with members in other regions to coordinate recruitment/criminal activities and to prevent conflicts. We do believe that Los Angeles gang members have an elevated status among their MS-13 counterparts across the country, a system of respect that could potentially evolve into a more organized national leadership structure.

One final word about MS-13: the FBI, through its MS-13 National Joint Task Force and field investigations, remains committed to working with our local, state, national, and international partners to disrupt and dismantle this violent gang.

Note: the assessment is law enforcement sensitive and is not publicly available.

Oh no...don't go getting comfy because they are doing this to Blacks gangs...they are doing it to White families...to Americans.....Horrible story in the news a man being stalked by Mexican Mafia who stole his daughter....Story was on America's Most Wanted......You know, you may not have allowed yourself to understand the dynamics of the Crips and Bloods...and that makes this hard to write to you...Crips and Bloods are no different than any other group of Americans pushed into to oppressive circumstances... It is a survival mechanism....with this economic brutal beat down.....those who sat over in the safe corners of life and judged others are suddenly finding themselves the same as everybody else. Whenever a group of people have been socially and economically oppressed they have formed a "mechanism" to survive. If you think about it....forming gangs is actually a very intelligent survival mechanism. With people losing their houses, you are definitely going to see more "gangs" forming. These "gangs" may not have the same rules, products or promotion as the street gangs, Crips/Bloods...oh...but make no mistake they will and are gangs.......I read about Non-profit gangs in my city the other day...certain non-profit organizations banding together....setting rules to dominate access to government grants......I see more people, especially White people, returning back to their families because they have lost their homes and jobs.......family....now...their is an example of the "original gang"........There are White gangs...let me see if I can name them.......White folks that have banded together to survive....hmmmmm....THE SKIN HEADS....KU KLUX KLAN......ITALIAN MAFIA.......HITLER AND HIS HOMEBOYS THE NAZI'S......hmmmm....the definition....of gang.....Gang-A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity. (Wikipedia.com) .....doggonit.......I guess companies can be gangs also....WE ARE ALL GANG MEMBERS....now with that settled...I guess you have rights to your opinion.....you can say that your gang is better and deserves more rights than any other gang.....I kinda hear you saying that in your post here....but that is typical of gang mentality......

you can't counsel a cockroach into being something other than what it is.

Well, that's kind of my point. I wasn't advocating imposing some structure via governmental policy or legislative approach. What I mean is that untill the communities that propagate the lifestyle and accept crime and violence as a way of life begin policing themselves, the situation won't improve.

as far as the public and police "judging" hardened criminals for committing murder and violence in the streets being part of the problem.. what should a free society do? condone the violence? give them a hug? ask them why they're so angry? or if their mommy didn't love them enough?

give me a break.. what California needs is an express lane on death row...

you can't counsel a cockroach into being something other than what it is. you have to exterminate it at the same time you clean up the mess in the kitchen that invite them there in the first place.

People are gonna post news now to bother other forum members?

Oh no...don't go getting comfy because they are doing this to Blacks gangs...they are doing it to White families...to Americans.....Horrible story in the news a man being stalked by Mexican Mafia who stole his daughter....Story was on America's Most Wanted......You know, you may not have allowed yourself to understand the dynamics of the Crips and Bloods...and that makes this hard to write to you...Crips and Bloods are no different than any other group of Americans pushed into to oppressive circumstances... It is a survival mechanism....with this economic brutal beat down.....those who sat over in the safe corners of life and judged others are suddenly finding themselves the same as everybody else. Whenever a group of people have been socially and economically oppressed they have formed a "mechanism" to survive. If you think about it....forming gangs is actually a very intelligent survival mechanism. With people losing their houses, you are definitely going to see more "gangs" forming. These "gangs" may not have the same rules, products or promotion as the street gangs, Crips/Bloods...oh...but make no mistake they will and are gangs.......I read about Non-profit gangs in my city the other day...certain non-profit organizations banding together....setting rules to dominate access to government grants......I see more people, especially White people, returning back to their families because they have lost their homes and jobs.......family....now...their is an example of the "original gang"........There are White gangs...let me see if I can name them.......White folks that have banded together to survive....hmmmmm....THE SKIN HEADS....KU KLUX KLAN......ITALIAN MAFIA.......HITLER AND HIS HOMEBOYS THE NAZI'S......hmmmm....the definition....of gang.....Gang-A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity. (Wikipedia.com) .....doggonit.......I guess companies can be gangs also....WE ARE ALL GANG MEMBERS....now with that settled...I guess you have rights to your opinion.....you can say that your gang is better and deserves more rights than any other gang.....I kinda hear you saying that in your post here....but that is typical of gang mentality......

What had the person done?

This person was 'wanted' for being a sexual predator. They were in the commission of the crime of running from cops who had responded to reports of where he was last seen. He was completely unarmed, just running and wouldnt stop when they told him. They shot him dead. The officer said they had 'no choice' because they could not subdue(catch) him and he was a potential threat.

right or wrong

good or bad

when a cop yells "stop" its a good idea to stop

when he says "drop the weapon" its a good idea to do so

This person was 'wanted' for being a sexual predator. They were in the commission of the crime of running from cops who had responded to reports of where he was last seen. He was completely unarmed, just running and wouldnt stop when they told him. They shot him dead. The officer said they had 'no choice' because they could not subdue(catch) him and he was a potential threat.

I think the OP needs to look up the definition of "ethnic cleansing"...