Topic: Ethnic Cleansing in LA
Kitteh_Kat's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:33 AM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:34 AM

I think the OP needs to look up the definition of "ethnic cleansing"...


:thumbsup:

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:36 AM


that doesn't sound unreasonable to me. more than likely the cops didn't know he wasn't armed until after. I suspect he wasn't searched before he ran


Legally, the cops don't need to know he was armed (unless federal law has changed regarding this...it's been a while since I was a cop) to shoot a fleeing felon who poses a danger to society. So, what it comes down to is department policy. Police departments often have much stricter rules regarding this. Mainly to protect themselves from law suits. If the officers were disciplined (which you wouldn't know about because it is generally a violation of the officer's rights to make this information public without a court order) then we can assume they violated their department policy. But, they wouldn't be charged criminally because it's not a crime.

At least that's what I was taught back in the police academy a loooooooooooooooooong time ago. :tongue:

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:36 AM

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:39 AM



that doesn't sound unreasonable to me. more than likely the cops didn't know he wasn't armed until after. I suspect he wasn't searched before he ran


Legally, the cops don't need to know he was armed (unless federal law has changed regarding this...it's been a while since I was a cop) to shoot a fleeing felon who poses a danger to society. So, what it comes down to is department policy. Police departments often have much stricter rules regarding this. Mainly to protect themselves from law suits. If the officers were disciplined (which you wouldn't know about because it is generally a violation of the officer's rights to make this information public without a court order) then we can assume they violated their department policy. But, they wouldn't be charged criminally because it's not a crime.

At least that's what I was taught back in the police academy a loooooooooooooooooong time ago. :tongue:


my step dad is retired cop. my son is going to be one and I have many friends that are cops. I believe you are correct and that is still how it is :thumbsup:

I was under the impression that they just need to suspect that they might have a weapon...which is basically any one. especially a guy like this that is running

Kitteh_Kat's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:40 AM


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:43 AM

I was under the impression that they just need to suspect that they might have a weapon...which is basically any one. especially a guy like this that is running


That requirement sounds like a department policy and would vary from department to department (although probably not much).

LAPD was very strict. You better have seen something actually pointed in your direction that could be a gun. It may turn out not to have been a gun, but if it appeared to be a possible gun, you would shoot. You don't have to actually wait to be shot at, thank god.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:44 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Thu 10/08/09 10:44 AM



I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.


again...you are talking about gangs in general. the article isn't

"The indictment is the latest of several investigations that found gangs participating in race-based violence. Federal prosecutors two years ago charged members of a Latino gang with a violent campaign to drive blacks out of the unincorporated Florence-Firestone neighborhood that allegedly resulted in 20 homicides over several years"

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:45 AM


I was under the impression that they just need to suspect that they might have a weapon...which is basically any one. especially a guy like this that is running


That requirement sounds like a department policy and would vary from department to department (although probably not much).

LAPD was very strict. You better have seen something actually pointed in your direction that could be a gun. It may turn out not to have been a gun, but if it appeared to be a possible gun, you would shoot. You don't have to actually wait to be shot at, thank god.


I believe it falls into probable cause...does it not?

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:46 AM



I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.


Plus it is sensationalism because they would have to show that they are ONLY killing or harrassing one race, we know better with gangs even without being there.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:48 AM




I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.


Plus it is sensationalism because they would have to show that they are ONLY killing or harrassing one race, we know better with gangs even without being there.


not if THIS area was really doing that because that is a rival race

again...not talking about all gangs every where. only certain gangs in a certain areawhoa

Ruth34611's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:51 AM



I was under the impression that they just need to suspect that they might have a weapon...which is basically any one. especially a guy like this that is running


That requirement sounds like a department policy and would vary from department to department (although probably not much).

LAPD was very strict. You better have seen something actually pointed in your direction that could be a gun. It may turn out not to have been a gun, but if it appeared to be a possible gun, you would shoot. You don't have to actually wait to be shot at, thank god.


I believe it falls into probable cause...does it not?


No, probable cause is a term used in the legal detention, arrest and searches of individuals and/or their property. Not for use of force situations.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:55 AM





I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.


Plus it is sensationalism because they would have to show that they are ONLY killing or harrassing one race, we know better with gangs even without being there.


not if THIS area was really doing that because that is a rival race

again...not talking about all gangs every where. only certain gangs in a certain areawhoa


So this gang is soooo different that it alone does this one thing that does not fit racial cleansing anyway but just they do it?

LOL, okay.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:55 AM




I was under the impression that they just need to suspect that they might have a weapon...which is basically any one. especially a guy like this that is running


That requirement sounds like a department policy and would vary from department to department (although probably not much).

LAPD was very strict. You better have seen something actually pointed in your direction that could be a gun. It may turn out not to have been a gun, but if it appeared to be a possible gun, you would shoot. You don't have to actually wait to be shot at, thank god.


I believe it falls into probable cause...does it not?


No, probable cause is a term used in the legal detention, arrest and searches of individuals and/or their property. Not for use of force situations.


:thumbsup:

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:56 AM






I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then since I would consider it more along the lines of gangs targeting other gangs.


keep in mind....the article is saying select gangs in a select area...not all gangs ever where. the Feds were saying these particular gangs targeted one race. that is how the topic was applied.
Like I said... gangs targeting other gangs- if every Latin gang in the US were involved and were targeting every Black person in the US is when I would consider it ethnic cleansing.


Plus it is sensationalism because they would have to show that they are ONLY killing or harrassing one race, we know better with gangs even without being there.


not if THIS area was really doing that because that is a rival race

again...not talking about all gangs every where. only certain gangs in a certain areawhoa


So this gang is soooo different that it alone does this one thing that does not fit racial cleansing anyway but just they do it?

LOL, okay.


did it dawn on you that maybe the blacks ARE the rivals IN THAT AREA???? after wards..they will target others when they get rid of their rivals slaphead

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 10:59 AM
dragoness....I know you aren't trying to suggest that your opinion on this is right and the OP is wrong just because you disagree are you?

Dragoness's photo
Thu 10/08/09 11:01 AM

dragoness....I know you aren't trying to suggest that your opinion on this is right and the OP is wrong just because you disagree are you?


Of course I am.

Gangs do not target any certain type of people exclusively. They target whoever gets in their way. It will cover their own kind especially and then other races after that.

The article or the OP used the title to sensationalize that which is a normal issue in the gang world. Not ethnic cleansing at any level.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 11:04 AM
Edited by yellowrose10 on Thu 10/08/09 11:04 AM


dragoness....I know you aren't trying to suggest that your opinion on this is right and the OP is wrong just because you disagree are you?


Of course I am.

Gangs do not target any certain type of people exclusively. They target whoever gets in their way. It will cover their own kind especially and then other races after that.

The article or the OP used the title to sensationalize that which is a normal issue in the gang world. Not ethnic cleansing at any level.


opinions are just that...opinions. otherwise they would be facts

I probably wouldn't have used that title...but I can see how it applies. are you telling me I'm wrong to have an opinion?

have you gotten to know the gangs in that area to know what they are thinking and why they are doing this? there are racial gangs btw

no photo
Thu 10/08/09 11:12 AM



dragoness....I know you aren't trying to suggest that your opinion on this is right and the OP is wrong just because you disagree are you?


Of course I am.

Gangs do not target any certain type of people exclusively. They target whoever gets in their way. It will cover their own kind especially and then other races after that.

The article or the OP used the title to sensationalize that which is a normal issue in the gang world. Not ethnic cleansing at any level.


opinions are just that...opinions. otherwise they would be facts

I probably wouldn't have used that title...but I can see how it applies. are you telling me I'm wrong to have an opinion?

have you gotten to know the gangs in that area to know what they are thinking and why they are doing this? there are racial gangs btw


You have your opinion, right? Are you trying to tell someone they are wrong for thinking their opinion is correct? It goes both ways.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 10/08/09 11:15 AM




dragoness....I know you aren't trying to suggest that your opinion on this is right and the OP is wrong just because you disagree are you?


Of course I am.

Gangs do not target any certain type of people exclusively. They target whoever gets in their way. It will cover their own kind especially and then other races after that.

The article or the OP used the title to sensationalize that which is a normal issue in the gang world. Not ethnic cleansing at any level.


opinions are just that...opinions. otherwise they would be facts

I probably wouldn't have used that title...but I can see how it applies. are you telling me I'm wrong to have an opinion?

have you gotten to know the gangs in that area to know what they are thinking and why they are doing this? there are racial gangs btw


You have your opinion, right? Are you trying to tell someone they are wrong for thinking their opinion is correct? It goes both ways.


nope...look again. if it was stated as her opinion...great. but when she is telling others they are wrong for having one, then I will say something

and if you will read.... I tried to figure out what she was saying at the beginning