I didn't know who you were talking about because you said it was a liberal. It's also not nice to talk about people like that.

there is raider...he can tell you what he meant. and as far as meaning to gang up on a member...one person making one post does not constitute ganging up


now as far as the article...people are making it general. it is not about ALL latino gangs or even in other states etc. It is saying the Feds say these gangs in a particular AREA are targeting blacks....whether it's racism or just to take over...I don't know.

a one person pile????

The article said, "allegedly".

I hope people remember this when others make comments like this in other threads...like I have seen many times.

As a side note....I worked those riots when I was with LAPD.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled arguments.

No secret here, or wise predictions here either, the same people have piled on the same poster for the same reason before. It's not hard to see how certain people are reacted to repeatedly by the same people.

She has never ever suggested what you accused her of. Ever. Though I have not always agreed some topics were racist where she did, she never once said only whites are capable of racism. And your sarcasm brought on the sarcasm of yet another poster who said: 'She doesn't have a point, just mindless banter!' also piling on the same poster. We do notice more than just the topic around here.

But hey, that's what this forum has become, and why I stay clear a lot these days.

You have some stories to tell.

What have you seen of the gangs there?

They are not human. And, no, I don't mean like in the "reptilian alien" thread.

Violence. It's their whole way of life. They hate. Everyone. They even hate the people they love.

Luckily for society, most criminals are not that bright. If they were, we'd all be in a lot of trouble.

cops here don't even want to go to an area called Como in Ft Worth on the 4th of July because that's where the gangs do the gang wars. it seems to be a tradition there

that reminds me of the 'hood I grew up in.. my dad would bring us in from outside on the 4th when it got late and the "fire crackers" started going off.. they weren't firecrackers.. it was gunfire

most years we went somewhere to watch real fireworks though and weren't around for that.. still scary though

I can't imagine having so much hate and anger inside.

Como is known as the not so good part of town. You have heard of it right??? My step dad was a Ft Worth cop and it was the worst for a cop to get assigned there on the 4th

It's incomprehensible to us. And, they're not racist. To be racist would imply that they would stop the violence once the targeted group was removed. But, they wouldn't stop. If they killed everyone in a particular group today, tomorrow they would find another group and attack for some perceived injustice. And, then they would turn on each other. There's no racism involved. There's just hate.

Soo...they hate the world?

St. Louis has a bad area with gangs. If there weren't any gangs, St. Louis would have a low murder rate. The gangs shooting each other brings up our murder rates.

Gangs should have been adressed decades ago, if cops are afraid to go into those areas, they should find people that aren't afraid and do something about them. There are individuals in those areas that are trying to get kids turned away from gangs, but they can't accomplish that alone. If the gangs know that the people in the area and the cops are afraid of them that just gives them more power.

The cops are not physically afraid of the gangs. If it was just a "go in there and get them" situation, it would not be a problem. However, the cops are at a disadvantage as they have a lot of rules placed on them. The gang members have no rules. A cop can lose his job, get sued or even end up in jail for doing something wrong. It's just not as easy as you think. The bad guys shoot at the cops and they don't care if they hit innocent people. A cop can't do that. If he hits an innocent person he has to deal with that professionally and privately.

And, if you cause an injury during an arrest you can bet you'll be scrutinized by the DA's office, the police department and the defense attorney. It can be brutal. So, yeah, they're scared, but not for the reasons you think they are.

Gang members only respect "tough". They used to have more respect for the cops in LA. However, nowadays, they know they can make a complaint for just about anything and cause the officer a great deal of grief. Using foul language is a department policy violation. So, if a cop uses foul language in dealing with a gang member, they can make a complaint (actually they make the complaint even if you don't which is why so many cops carry tape recorders with them now).

But, gang members don't respect "Sir, you are under arrest. Please get in my car."

They respect, "M**** F***** get in the car or..........."(you fill in the blanks).

It's not pretty. It's not nice. It's just the way it is and it's what they understand. And, respect. It's different world in the land of gang members.

Well I can understand that, but there has to be an answer, I just don't see anyone doing much about it, even back in the 70's when they could have had a better handle on it. It's been allowed to fester to the point that the gangs have all the power. Where are the incentives like the army uses with people in war zones. I dont' know the answer that is for sure.

Turn Chuck Norris loose on the bastards..

I see what you're sayin' Ruth.

The fact is that gang violence is not the problem, it is the symptom. The disease is societal decay.. most of the homes in those areas have no families in them, just loose organizations of people that happen to be genetically related to one another (or not); some offspring, some parents, some "other".. and I use the term "parent" in the loosest possible manner.

The fact is there are no parents, specifically fathers. most are either dead, in prison or on their way to one of the two, maybe both.

vicous cycle. and it won't stop till Kanye West starts listenin to Bill Cosby, until there is some family structure imposed on those neighborhoods that propagate the fodder that fills the ranks of the gangster lifestyle..