The answer to that lies in a whole other thread on why our government does what it does, or doesn't do. But, I assure you, the blame is not on local law enforcement (although there are plenty of problems with local law enforcement, but that's another thread for another day).

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That's precisely it. It's a problem the cops can't solve.

SO,, its gonna start getting better if Kanye listens to Bill...?

Someone should let him know, cause I think he might go for it.

That part I don't know about. I meant he was right in identifying the problem in the first two paragraphs he wrote. I doubt family structure can be imposed upon anyone.

I worked with "at risk" youth when I was with the LAPD for 5 years. I saw moms who were determined to keep their kids out of gangs. It was hard, but a couple of them were able to do it. There was one common denominator in all the kids I saw. No father.

well lax immigration enforcement is only a small part of the reason


over restrictive laws prohibiting those that want to do stu[id things is the major cause

if you legalize the things the gangs are marketing then they will not have a need for the turf wars

legalize and tax drugs and prostitution (and leave the law biding citizen alone and quit raising their taxes (like tobacco soda and methane cow gas)


but hey what do i know

If you have ever been to South Central, you would know, it used to be a 99% black community.

After the last Amnesty, the Illegals who were granted amnesty were suddenly misplaced from jobs they could get as Illegals. They were replaced with other Illegals.

Those new citizens couldn't afford to take up residence in other than overcrowded, poverty stricken areas.

The large percentage of strictly Mexican gang members are kids from the prior Amnesty period.

Even in the 80's, cops were afraid to go into South Central. To gain control of that area now would take a military action.

There is also the threat of a more visious gang that has numbers in the 10's of thousands all across the states. These guys are warriors. Hardened from decades of murder, wars and conflct in South America. The MS13. They make crips, bloods and the Mexicans look like a kindergarten club.
http://www.fbi.gov/page2/jan08/ms13_011408.html

Tell me now, how our Gov., from Hussein on down is protecting our citizens and National Security by allowing these factions and other Illegals to operate here?

well, you're right about one thing at least. The Mara Salvatruchas are bad mofo's.. they came here from El Salvador, displaced paramilitaria, and they are blood thirsty as all hell..

I haven;t spent any time in LA to speak of but I know it not a vacation destination to say the least. torn by gang-war and stricken by poverty, i'd be surprised if the avg life expectancy was much more than 30 years..

This is very true. The cops are afraid of the MS13. And rightfully so.

ethnic cleansing doesnt seem like such a bad thing

a little Irish Spring never hurt anybody

That excuses them from not doing their job?

That excuses Hussein and DHS from doing their job, as well?

If the cops are not given the tools and authority they need to do the job, then, yes, it does.

Local law enforcement officers need the backing of the government to be effective. But our government apparently does not want them to be effective. They repeatedly tie the hands of the police and then angry citizens yell at the police when the police tell them there's nothing they can do.

Power is a dangerous thing. Give the police too much and you risk abuse. Give them too little and they become ineffective. Its a balancing game.

This article from your link is from the FBI website. Doesn't that mean that the FBI is involved?

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THE MS-13 THREAT
A National Assessment
01/14/08

Member of MS-13

They perpetrate violence—from assaults to homicides, using firearms, machetes, or blunt objects—to intimidate rival gangs, law enforcement, and the general public. They often target middle and high school students for recruitment. And they form tenuous alliances...and sometimes vicious rivalries...with other criminal groups, depending on their needs at the time.

Who are they? Members of Mara Salvatrucha, better known as MS-13, who are mostly Salvadoran nationals or first generation Salvadoran-Americans, but also Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and other Central and South American immigrants. And according to our recent national threat assessment of this growing, mobile street gang, they could be operating in your community...now or in the near future.

Based on information from our own investigations, from our state and local law enforcement partners, and from community organizations, we’ve concluded that while the threat posed by MS-13 to the U.S. as a whole is at the "medium" level, membership in parts of the country is so concentrated that we've labeled the threat level there "high."

Here are some other highlights from our threat assessment:

MS-13 operates in at least 42 states and the District of Columbia and has about 6,000-10,000 members nationwide. Currently, the threat is highest in the western and northeastern parts of the country, which coincides with elevated Salvadoran immigrant populations in those areas. In the southeast and central regions, the current threat is moderate to low, but recently, we've seen an influx of MS-13 members into the southeast, causing an increase in violent crimes there.
For More Information

- Going Global on MS-13
- MS-13 Up Close
- FBI Violent Gangs Website

MS-13 members engage in a wide range of criminal activity, including drug distribution, murder, rape, prostitution, robbery, home invasions, immigration offenses, kidnapping, carjackings/auto thefts, and vandalism. Most of these crimes, you'll notice, have one thing in common—they are exceedingly violent. And while most of the violence is directed toward other MS-13 members or rival street gangs, innocent citizens often get caught in the crossfire.

MS-13 is expanding its membership at a "moderate" rate through recruitment and migration. Some MS-13 members move to get jobs or to be near family members—currently, the southeast and the northeast are seeing the largest increases in membership. MS-13 often recruits new members by glorifying the gang lifestyle (often on the Internet, complete with pictures and videos) and by absorbing smaller gangs.

Speaking of employment, MS-13 members typically work for legitimate businesses by presenting false documentation. They primarily pick employers that don't scrutinize employment documents, especially in the construction, restaurant, delivery service, and landscaping industries.

Right now, MS-13 has no official national leadership structure. MS-13 originated in Los Angeles, but when members migrated eastward, they began forming cliques that for the most part operated independently. These cliques, though, often maintain regular contact with members in other regions to coordinate recruitment/criminal activities and to prevent conflicts. We do believe that Los Angeles gang members have an elevated status among their MS-13 counterparts across the country, a system of respect that could potentially evolve into a more organized national leadership structure.

One final word about MS-13: the FBI, through its MS-13 National Joint Task Force and field investigations, remains committed to working with our local, state, national, and international partners to disrupt and dismantle this violent gang.

Note: the assessment is law enforcement sensitive and is not publicly available.

===================================================================== it use to be white but that has nothing to do with this tread . last time i went over to so central or comton it was a tough nieaboorhood but not bad . it has one of the toughess police forces i have ever seen . but its not a gang thing there talking about its a people rebeling about different life styles . mexicans have a very family life . and its not black gang members getting run out .. well to the fights

====================================================================== the cops are not a fraid of any of the gangs out there . they have a lic. to kill in there pocket .

Its different here in Vegas, cops can pretty much shoot you for sneezing without repurcussion. This still hasnt done much to deter crimes though.

Although I know you meant well. How would you like to have someone's "family structure" imposed on you? I get to pick whose family structure it is too like you are here.

The problem stems from societies of people that are in poverty for many generations and have a struggle getting out of it. Government help programs do some good but not the majority of the time.


Poverty breeds all kinds of social ills. It doesn't matter the color of your skin, poverty does the same thing to each and every one.

Stricter policing still doesn't seem to do what needs to be done either.

Although policing is needed regardless but the police feel overwhelmed.

It is like a catch 22. As long as there are poverty riddled areas there will be high crime areas and the more the public and police judge them and treat them as animals the worse they get.

Not saying the policing and stricter rules should not be done but it really never changes anything.

A new approach needs to happen.

The gangs and should be stopped. Maybe the U.S. military should be called in like when we brought down the drug cartel who thought they were above the law. Rule number one do not mess with the U.S. Goverment rule number two refer to rule number one.